A Letter To President Musharraf

#419 Posted by cliftonbridge,

Hmmm .... (chin scratching) ... you aren't fibbing ... are you?

I see lots of hindooos, hindooo-lovers, and hindooo-wannabes congregating here in their filth. Good:

#410

zee dont try weaseling out of your promises, you owe asma jehangir a donation and i havent seen a phootoo yet.
what am i doing on chowk? spreading truth and enlightenment (not in moderation either :))

First of all, this new format is very user unfriendly....The list of the side, of all the interactors needs to be brought back......I only read the commments of five or six individuals, and now I am forced to scan everyone's comments.......

.......The liberals and religious right of pakistan seem hell-bent on turning the country into another afghanistan......they have radicalised the whole place........hamdim2 and urstruly are going to be cheering the violence of their favorite side, from the comforts of usa, while pakistan gets crushed in between......

the administration of the lal masjid were criminals.....no doubt about it....if for no other reason, because they had occupied govt. property illegally and had set up a parallel govt and were kidnapping the citizens of pakistan.....

.......the leadership was morally criminal because they were using the presence of naive brainwashed youths to push their own political and religious agenda.......

.......however there are criminals everywhere and in every country......the way to deal with them is not to storm their locality and carry out a blanket killing.....one needs to handle the situation carefully......

.......if one carries out blanket killings then there are usually counter-killings.......this is what pakistan is seeing.......pakistan needs to do the following:

1. disassociate itself from usa's foreign policy, regardless of the consequences.....

2. dismantle the extremist religious leadership, which has established itself in some madrassahs.........but not through violence.......through a battle of ideas and ideologies, with a majority of the population behind it......a good example would have been to agree to a truce once the first ghazi brother was caught in a burqa and a majority of the students had left......

3. its time for elections now, so that any govt that gets into power, at least has some portion of population behind its decisions.....

4. sideline both the secular and the religious right (this will happen automatically, if elections are held, as pakistan's population never votes for these two groups)........

{Taliban defies Bush as debate rages over bin Laden's fate
by Said Mohammad Azam KABUL, SEPT 21 }

This was 2001, what happened next? There are no more taliban in Kabul, Mulla Omar is running around hiding behind a burqa and many of his comrades have died or switched sides. That is what happens and is going to be repeated.

Fact is, world cannot wait for some tribal idiot to change his ways, leave alone let them dictate terms.

Liberal democracy and economic globalization have their own momentum with no borders, today it is China and India leading the way to change tomorrow it maybe another country but there is only one constant and that is the universal power of economics and liberal democracy.

http://carcino.gen.nz/images/image.phpi/03ef57d4/taliban_barbie.jpg

#414 by rf786

Good post yaar!

# 399

Pee wax,

I have said this before and repeat that here again, Musharraf had to clean up this Lal Masjid mess, if he had chosen otherwise then he wud be replaced and another general wud be asked to do the honors, if there was no willing general in Pakistan to perform these responsibilities, then some outside force wud have done the job.

Do not forget who u r dealing with, the devil sitting in whitehouse is much bigger than the one you so blindly support. These Europeans/Americans have killed more than 100million people in one century, what makes u fantasize anything has changed? All your jackass waziris etc are worth only one tactical weapon, thats it end of story, is that what u want?

Violence can only breed violence, your boss (OBL) does not have the ability to understand these basic human concepts because he was born and raised in the influence of arrogance, contempt for other religions and races. Psychopaths such as the, Guls, Ghazis, Zwahiris, Qazi's et al can only propagate violence simply because of their ugly hate for everything else. But, humane race has always endured such adversities and survived, this will be no different. You think your guys can blow themselves up and scare people, then u r the stupidist person on earth, such acts will only reinforce the will of those who oppose these fanatics.

yes, there will be pain, there will be anguish and there will be many deaths before anything changes but there are two things certain, one that forces of evil such as those of Alqaeda and wahabi terroists will be defeated and second, if 100's will die because of some idiot suicide bomber, then there will be a bullet for ppl like yourself who preach hate and death for others.

#404

Dear falsafy,

{I am not an expert on political issues but i see a dramatic change in the general psyche of pakistanis.}

Urban Pakistan has been adorned with these radicalized madaris run by extremist with one agenda ie complete subjugation of civil society, thus the perception of dramatic changes. Same cannot be said for interior Sindh or Punjab where traditional values are still very much in place.

{Their islam is becoming less cultural now and they are going towards pure islam}

"Pure Islam" do u even know what that means? Who is to define what is pure and what is not? Terrorists holding the country hostage or Albayqaida holding the entire muslim world hostage to their terrorist activities? There is no such thing as pure Islam, those who believe in such concepts are basically fascists or Arabist.

Power of YUAN

In islamabad several were killed, suicide bombers are killing the lawyers in the capital, and here is the pak priority. Why...why... the dead bodies of the chinese were allowed to rot. No enquiry why the living pakistanis are being slaughtered.

This is sad for an islamic country, where a dead chnese is more important than a living muslim. When will pakistanis learn to have some self respect, they licked the boots of the americans, then the saudis, now it is the chinese..pathetic to see this

From dawn of today


Inquiry into decomposition of Chinese bodies ordered



Bureau Report


PESHAWAR, July 17: The NWFP government has ordered an inquiry into the decomposition of the bodies of three Chinese nationals killed in a terrorist attack on July 8 on Charsadda Road.

The government constituted the inquiry committee on Tuesday to determine the circumstances in which the bodies decomposed, an official said.

The committee would comprise Mushtaq Ahmad Jadoon, Elementary Education Project Director and Dr Anjum Zia, Assistant Professor at Department of Forensic Medicine and Toxicology, Khyber Medical College, Peshawar.

The inquiry team was ordered to submit its findings within a week.

Waziristan and afghanistan

When the afghan war was on, a lot of people talked about the tora bora mountains, the caves, the rough terrain etc and declared that osama could not be ousted. A few trips by B52's, a few more daisy cutters found osama leaving the mountain for the small city of quetta.

Now the talk is about the tribals and the rough terrain of waziristan. The very same B52s will do the job, this time they can re-fuel in India, not in pakistan. The waziri tribals have to be driven to an anvil, that is india, where all of them can have their shahadat.

Now the poor mushy is in a wise, caught between the military that wants to keep the US money and the jihadis who will not let mushy have it the easy way that he had for so long.

It is time that the world start talking not about the jihadi problem, but about pakistan, the problem. Partition of pakistan is the only option.

#403 Posted by cliftonbridge,

Yaar cliftonbridge .. I still don't believe its you. I mean ... what would someone who looked like that doing chatting on a dump like this?

Ab jaldi sey batao ... kon hai ???

#407 Posted by echoboom,

Iran like they will be begging fore a place of burial in the Massa-lands.

... and they thought I was joking when I said they will have to choose between Islamize or Talibanize. Many thought it was the same thing, so it appears the latter will have to be true.

#404 Posted by philosopher

... i see a dramatic change in the general psyche of pakistanis. Their islam is becoming less cultural now and they are going towards pure islam.

Yes the 'hindooana' adulterations are slowly and surely being shed. Jamia Hafsa accelerated the process.

This seems a very crucial era in the history of the country.

Yes it is. We're lucky to be witnessing it.

Musharraf & his maader-ate Ooons Poons can do Fcuk all. The Militant Fundamentalist Extremist ( aal GOOD words) ones are gaining increasingly powerful in Pakistan & other places. The defeat & demise of Ooons & Poons is certain.

Thus writes, in a gist, the chief editorialist of the largest & most powerful daily & Geo.TV owner

MashaAllah! the time to drag the OOn Oons out & send them packing will soon be there.. Iran like they will be begging fore a place of burial in the Massa-lands..and they'll be kicked real hard: shawH of "persia" Like.

Insha-Allah!
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July 18, 2007
Bush Aides See Failure in Fight With Al Qaeda in Pakistan
By MARK MAZZETTI and DAVID E. SANGER

WASHINGTON, July 17 — President Bush’s top counterterrorism advisers acknowledged Tuesday that the strategy for fighting Osama bin Laden’s leadership of Al Qaeda in Pakistan had failed, as the White House released a grim new intelligence assessment that has forced the administration to consider more aggressive measures inside Pakistan.

The intelligence report, the most formal assessment since the Sept. 11 attacks about the terrorist threat facing the United States, concludes that the United States is losing ground on a number of fronts in the fight against Al Qaeda, and describes the terrorist organization as having significantly strengthened over the past two years.

In identifying the main reasons for Al Qaeda’s resurgence, intelligence officials and White House aides pointed the finger squarely at a hands-off approach toward the tribal areas by Pakistan’s president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, who last year brokered a cease-fire with tribal leaders in an attempt to drain support for Islamic extremism in the region.

“It hasn’t worked for Pakistan,” said Frances Fragos Townsend, who heads the Homeland Security Council at the White House. “It hasn’t worked for the United States.”

While Bush administration officials had reluctantly endorsed the cease-fire as part of their effort to prop up the Pakistani leader, they expressed relief on Tuesday that General Musharraf may have to abandon that approach, because the accord seems to have unraveled.

But American officials make little secret of their skepticism that General Musharraf has the capability to be effective in the mountainous territory along the Afghan border, where his troops have been bloodied before by a mix of Qaeda leaders and tribes that view the territory as their own, not part of Pakistan.

“We’ve seen in the past that he’s sent people in and they get wiped out,” said one senior official involved in the internal debate. “You can tell from the language today that we take the threat from the tribal areas incredibly seriously. It has to be dealt with. If he can deal with it, amen. But if he can’t, he’s got to build and borrow the capability.”

In weighing how to deal with the Qaeda threat in Pakistan, American officials have been meeting in recent weeks to discuss what some said was emerging as an aggressive new strategy, one that would include both public and covert elements. They said there was growing concern that pinprick attacks on Qaeda targets were not enough, but also said some new American measures might have to remain secret to avoid embarrassing General Musharraf.


The growing Qaeda threat in Pakistan has prompted repeated trips to Islamabad by senior administration officials to lean on officials there and calls by lawmakers to make American aid to Pakistan contingent on a sustained counterterrorism effort by General Musharraf’s government.