A Letter To President Musharraf
Khadija Hassan July 13, 2007
#549 Posted by MantoLives on July 20, 2007 12:32:52 pm
Re: # 526My point was that there is a much greater link of Gandhi to Moplahs and indeed Jamia Hafsa ... than the two nation theory that Jayp wants to malign and has even taken to inventing quotes... you know could care less to bring them together but if someone can so illogically argue and try to link the Islamo-fascist tendencies in a small minority of Muslims to our legtimate stance for Pakistan... then one should point out the obvious links between Gandhi and true Islamic fundamentalist and terrorist movements of South Asia... I do not wish to dwell Gandhi honestly but if this line of argument is taken... should I not point out the facts?
Achyuth Patwardhan, one of the Socialist stalwarts in the Congress, has given a remarkably candid and self critical analysis of the Congress Party vis-a-vis Khilafat: ’It is, however, useful to recognise our share of this error of misdirection. To begin with, I am convinced that looking back upon the course of development of the freedom movement, THE ’HIMALAYAN ERROR’ of Gandhiji’s leadership was the support he extended on behalf of the Congress and the Indian people to the Khilafat Movement at the end of the World War I. This has proved to be a disastrous error which has brought in its wake a series of harmful consequences. On merits, it was a thoroughly reactionary step. The Khilafat was totally unworthy of support of the Progressive Muslims. Kemel Pasha established this solid fact by abolition of the Khilafat. The abolition of the Khilafat was widely welcomed by enlightened Muslim opinion the world over and Kemel was an undoubted hero of all young Muslims straining against Imperialist domination. But apart from the fact that Khilafat was an unworthy reactionary cause, Mahatma Gandhi had to align himself with a sectarian revivalist Muslim Leadership of clerics and maulvis. He was thus unwittingly responsible for jettisoning sane, secular, modernist leadership among the Muslims of India and foisting upon the Indian Muslims a theocratic orthodoxy of the Maulvis. Maulana Mohammed Ali’s speeches read today appear strangely incoherent and out of tune with the spirit of secular political freedom. The Congress Movement which released the forces of religious liberalism and reform among the Hindus, and evoked a rational scientific outlook, placed the Muslims of India under the spell of orthodoxy and religious superstition by their support to the Khilafat leadership. Rationalist leaders like Jinnah were rebuffed by this attitude of Congress and Gandhi. This is the background of the psychological rift between Congress and the Muslim League’.
and
’Since the Khilafat agitation, things have changed and it has been one of the many injuries inflicted on India by the encouragement of the Khilafat crusade, that the inner Muslim feeling of hatred against ’unbelievers’ has sprung up, naked and unashamed, as in years gone by’.
and
A terrible and gruesome fallout of the disastrous Khilafat experiment of Mahatma Gandhi was the Moplah Rebellion in Malabar District in 1921. According to the Report of the ENQUIRY COMMITTEE OF SERVANTS OF INDIA SOCIETY, the number of Hindus murdered by Moplah Muslims was 1500, the number of Hindus forcibly converted 20,000 and the value of property looted about Rs three crore. When the national and local leaders appealed to the virulently anti-Hindu Moplah Muslims in the name of Mahatma Gandhi to follow the ways of peace and non-violence, they replied bluntly with Islamic fervour: ’GANDHI IS A KAFIR, HOW CAN HE BE OUR LEADER?’ Dr Anne Besant declared: ’The Moplah Muslim marauders murdered and plundered abundantly, killed or drove away all Hindus who would not apostatize. Somewhere about 100,000 people were driven from their homes with nothing but the clothes they had on, stripped of everything’. She also accused all the Khilafat religious preachers for all this terrible atrocities. J Campbell, chief of the Intelligence Department, Government of India, held the Khilafat leaders squarely responsible for inciting racial hatred resulting in Moplah carnage.
http://www.newstodaynet.com/2006sud/06aug/2208ss1.htm
Mahatma Gandhi’s attempt to harness the feeling for the cause of national independence backfired and led to the uprising in Kerala known as the Moplah Rebellion. It took the British several months to put it down at the cost of thousands of lives.
Moplahs were very much part of the grand Khilafat Movement that Gandhi was spearheading and Gandhi kept apologising for them
The Dravidian Moplahs had directed their revolt with class venom against some Aryan high-caste Hindus with property as well as Britishers: Brahmanical elements tried to use that to spark a crisis in Hindu-Muslim relations all over India. Gandhi tried to hold a balance: like the U.S. press and the Negro nationalists who read it he stressed that the Moplah uprising could be made part of a united drive for independence by Indians of all sects.But he was also aware of the pan-Islamic dimension: in a December 1921 call to the British to suspend their attacks against the Moplahs, he was to observe that the Moplahs saw themselves as fighting for a religion with methods they considered religious: Yogesh Chadha, Rediscovering Gandhi (London: Century 1997) p. 254.
And lets not forget the Tehreek-e-Hijrat Fatwa that Gandhi’s right hand man Azad gave to Muslims which gave Muslims two options "JEHAD" or "HIJRAT".
The Muslim Ulema, thinkers and activists called for the boycott of foreign goods and non-cooperation with the British government. Meetings were organised in order to rally the masses to support these issues. The meetings were organised under the banner of Mo’tamar al-Ansar (The Workers Conference) and various newspapers such as Al-Hilal of Maualana Abul Kalam Azad and The Comrade of Maulana Mohammad Ali Jauhar. Both Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad and Maulana Maulana Mohammad Ali Jauhar were put behind bars for publishing anti-British articles in their newspapers. The latter spent four years in prison between 1911 and 1915CE.
The allegiance of the Muslim intelligentsia of India at that to the Khilafah is unquestionable. Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad summed up their view when he wrote in his newspaper al-Hilal on 6th November 1912 that the Ottoman Sultans possessed the only sword which Muslims had for their protection. Insofar as the “caliphate was essentially a religious integration of the shari’a”, it became “necessary by revelation, is of God’s institution and that obedience to its authority is farz, or positively commanded”.
The Khilafat Movement
In September 1919, Maulana Muhammad Ali and his brother Shaukat Ali, together with Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad, Dr. Mukhtar Ahmed Ansari, and Hasrat Mohani, started a new organization, the Khilafat Movement (1919-1924). Their avowed aim was to use whatever leverage they had to protect the Khilafah. They organized Khilafat Conferences in several northern Indian cities. It is noticeable that the scholars and activists that were part of the Khilafat movement came from different schools of thought and backgrounds, for example Maulana Abul Kalam Azad was known to be a ‘ghayr taqleedi’ (non-taqleedi – who believed Taqleed to Mazahib is prohibited) and Maulana Mahmood Hasan was Deobandi who are followers of the Hanafi Mazhab yet they were united in the objective of working for the maintenance of the Khilafah.
In 1919, the Bombay Khilafat Committee agreed on two important organisational goals: “first, to urge the retention of the temporal powers of the Sultan of Turkey as Caliph, and second to ensure his continued suzerainty over the Islamic holy places.”
Delivering the presidential address at the Calcutta meeting of the Bengal Provincial Khilafat Conference in 1920, Maulana Azad discussed the importance of Khilafah he declared, “the purpose of this institution was to organise and lead the Muslim community in the right path, to establish justice, to bring about peace, and to spread God’s word in the world. For all this it was absolutely necessary for the caliph to possess temporal power”. Maulana Azad had no doubt that “without an Imam, their lives were un-Islamic and that they would be damned after death”.
Maulana Azad published a book in 1920 called Masla-e-Khilafat (The Issue of Khilafah), he stated: “Without the Khilafah the existence of Islam is not possible, the Muslims of India with all their effort and power need to work for this”.
In the same book page 176 Maulana Azad said, “There are two types of ahkam shariah, the first is related to the individual like the commands and prohibitions, the fara’id (obligations) and wajibat in order to perfect oneself. The second is not related to the individual but is related to the Ummah, nation, collective obligations and state politics like the conquering of lands, political and economic laws”.
According to Peter Hardy, Maulana Azad believed that, “The Muslim who would separate religion and politics for Muslims is an apostate who works silently”.
The loss of political power in India and the threat posed by a combination of forces to the temporal authority of the caliph, was so worrisome for the leaders of the Muslim community that some of them felt compelled to issue fatwas ‘in favour of migration (hijra)’ from India.
Maulana Abul Kalam Azad issued a fatwa which was published in the daily Ahl-e-Hadith of Amritsar on 30 July 1920. In his fatwa he urged Hijrat from India as an alternative to non-cooperation with the British. (YLH’s note: Was the Hijaz Born Azad a "Wahabi"... note "Ahle-Hadith)
Maulana Abdul Bari’s fatwa said, “every Muslim residing here should adopt non-cooperation but if (that is) impossible, should proceed for hijrat”. Maulana Shaukat Ali issued a statement on behalf of the Central Khilafat Committee, “expressing the hope that all dedicated Muslims would stay in India and work for the non-cooperation. Only if it did not succeed would they consider resorting to hijrat”. The impact of the fatwa was electrifying and thousands of Muslims preferred to leave the Dar al harb of India where their religious rights symbolized in the position of the Turkish Caliph was being infringed.
And most amazing was the fact that Gandhi’s encouragement led to Deobandi ulema creating the Jamiat ulema Hind ... which in its numerous forms and heads plagues South Asia even today... and all these groups are spin offs of the same.
....
Achyuth Patwardhan, one of the Socialist stalwarts in the Congress, has given a remarkably candid and self critical analysis of the Congress Party vis-a-vis Khilafat: ’It is, however, useful to recognise our share of this error of misdirection. To begin with, I am convinced that looking back upon the course of development of the freedom movement, THE ’HIMALAYAN ERROR’ of Gandhiji’s leadership was the support he extended on behalf of the Congress and the Indian people to the Khilafat Movement at the end of the World War I. This has proved to be a disastrous error which has brought in its wake a series of harmful consequences. On merits, it was a thoroughly reactionary step. The Khilafat was totally unworthy of support of the Progressive Muslims. Kemel Pasha established this solid fact by abolition of the Khilafat. The abolition of the Khilafat was widely welcomed by enlightened Muslim opinion the world over and Kemel was an undoubted hero of all young Muslims straining against Imperialist domination. But apart from the fact that Khilafat was an unworthy reactionary cause, Mahatma Gandhi had to align himself with a sectarian revivalist Muslim Leadership of clerics and maulvis. He was thus unwittingly responsible for jettisoning sane, secular, modernist leadership among the Muslims of India and foisting upon the Indian Muslims a theocratic orthodoxy of the Maulvis. Maulana Mohammed Ali’s speeches read today appear strangely incoherent and out of tune with the spirit of secular political freedom. The Congress Movement which released the forces of religious liberalism and reform among the Hindus, and evoked a rational scientific outlook, placed the Muslims of India under the spell of orthodoxy and religious superstition by their support to the Khilafat leadership. Rationalist leaders like Jinnah were rebuffed by this attitude of Congress and Gandhi. This is the background of the psychological rift between Congress and the Muslim League’.
and
’Since the Khilafat agitation, things have changed and it has been one of the many injuries inflicted on India by the encouragement of the Khilafat crusade, that the inner Muslim feeling of hatred against ’unbelievers’ has sprung up, naked and unashamed, as in years gone by’.
and
A terrible and gruesome fallout of the disastrous Khilafat experiment of Mahatma Gandhi was the Moplah Rebellion in Malabar District in 1921. According to the Report of the ENQUIRY COMMITTEE OF SERVANTS OF INDIA SOCIETY, the number of Hindus murdered by Moplah Muslims was 1500, the number of Hindus forcibly converted 20,000 and the value of property looted about Rs three crore. When the national and local leaders appealed to the virulently anti-Hindu Moplah Muslims in the name of Mahatma Gandhi to follow the ways of peace and non-violence, they replied bluntly with Islamic fervour: ’GANDHI IS A KAFIR, HOW CAN HE BE OUR LEADER?’ Dr Anne Besant declared: ’The Moplah Muslim marauders murdered and plundered abundantly, killed or drove away all Hindus who would not apostatize. Somewhere about 100,000 people were driven from their homes with nothing but the clothes they had on, stripped of everything’. She also accused all the Khilafat religious preachers for all this terrible atrocities. J Campbell, chief of the Intelligence Department, Government of India, held the Khilafat leaders squarely responsible for inciting racial hatred resulting in Moplah carnage.
http://www.newstodaynet.com/2006sud/06aug/2208ss1.htm
Mahatma Gandhi’s attempt to harness the feeling for the cause of national independence backfired and led to the uprising in Kerala known as the Moplah Rebellion. It took the British several months to put it down at the cost of thousands of lives.
Moplahs were very much part of the grand Khilafat Movement that Gandhi was spearheading and Gandhi kept apologising for them
The Dravidian Moplahs had directed their revolt with class venom against some Aryan high-caste Hindus with property as well as Britishers: Brahmanical elements tried to use that to spark a crisis in Hindu-Muslim relations all over India. Gandhi tried to hold a balance: like the U.S. press and the Negro nationalists who read it he stressed that the Moplah uprising could be made part of a united drive for independence by Indians of all sects.But he was also aware of the pan-Islamic dimension: in a December 1921 call to the British to suspend their attacks against the Moplahs, he was to observe that the Moplahs saw themselves as fighting for a religion with methods they considered religious: Yogesh Chadha, Rediscovering Gandhi (London: Century 1997) p. 254.
And lets not forget the Tehreek-e-Hijrat Fatwa that Gandhi’s right hand man Azad gave to Muslims which gave Muslims two options "JEHAD" or "HIJRAT".
The Muslim Ulema, thinkers and activists called for the boycott of foreign goods and non-cooperation with the British government. Meetings were organised in order to rally the masses to support these issues. The meetings were organised under the banner of Mo’tamar al-Ansar (The Workers Conference) and various newspapers such as Al-Hilal of Maualana Abul Kalam Azad and The Comrade of Maulana Mohammad Ali Jauhar. Both Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad and Maulana Maulana Mohammad Ali Jauhar were put behind bars for publishing anti-British articles in their newspapers. The latter spent four years in prison between 1911 and 1915CE.
The allegiance of the Muslim intelligentsia of India at that to the Khilafah is unquestionable. Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad summed up their view when he wrote in his newspaper al-Hilal on 6th November 1912 that the Ottoman Sultans possessed the only sword which Muslims had for their protection. Insofar as the “caliphate was essentially a religious integration of the shari’a”, it became “necessary by revelation, is of God’s institution and that obedience to its authority is farz, or positively commanded”.
The Khilafat Movement
In September 1919, Maulana Muhammad Ali and his brother Shaukat Ali, together with Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad, Dr. Mukhtar Ahmed Ansari, and Hasrat Mohani, started a new organization, the Khilafat Movement (1919-1924). Their avowed aim was to use whatever leverage they had to protect the Khilafah. They organized Khilafat Conferences in several northern Indian cities. It is noticeable that the scholars and activists that were part of the Khilafat movement came from different schools of thought and backgrounds, for example Maulana Abul Kalam Azad was known to be a ‘ghayr taqleedi’ (non-taqleedi – who believed Taqleed to Mazahib is prohibited) and Maulana Mahmood Hasan was Deobandi who are followers of the Hanafi Mazhab yet they were united in the objective of working for the maintenance of the Khilafah.
In 1919, the Bombay Khilafat Committee agreed on two important organisational goals: “first, to urge the retention of the temporal powers of the Sultan of Turkey as Caliph, and second to ensure his continued suzerainty over the Islamic holy places.”
Delivering the presidential address at the Calcutta meeting of the Bengal Provincial Khilafat Conference in 1920, Maulana Azad discussed the importance of Khilafah he declared, “the purpose of this institution was to organise and lead the Muslim community in the right path, to establish justice, to bring about peace, and to spread God’s word in the world. For all this it was absolutely necessary for the caliph to possess temporal power”. Maulana Azad had no doubt that “without an Imam, their lives were un-Islamic and that they would be damned after death”.
Maulana Azad published a book in 1920 called Masla-e-Khilafat (The Issue of Khilafah), he stated: “Without the Khilafah the existence of Islam is not possible, the Muslims of India with all their effort and power need to work for this”.
In the same book page 176 Maulana Azad said, “There are two types of ahkam shariah, the first is related to the individual like the commands and prohibitions, the fara’id (obligations) and wajibat in order to perfect oneself. The second is not related to the individual but is related to the Ummah, nation, collective obligations and state politics like the conquering of lands, political and economic laws”.
According to Peter Hardy, Maulana Azad believed that, “The Muslim who would separate religion and politics for Muslims is an apostate who works silently”.
The loss of political power in India and the threat posed by a combination of forces to the temporal authority of the caliph, was so worrisome for the leaders of the Muslim community that some of them felt compelled to issue fatwas ‘in favour of migration (hijra)’ from India.
Maulana Abul Kalam Azad issued a fatwa which was published in the daily Ahl-e-Hadith of Amritsar on 30 July 1920. In his fatwa he urged Hijrat from India as an alternative to non-cooperation with the British. (YLH’s note: Was the Hijaz Born Azad a "Wahabi"... note "Ahle-Hadith)
Maulana Abdul Bari’s fatwa said, “every Muslim residing here should adopt non-cooperation but if (that is) impossible, should proceed for hijrat”. Maulana Shaukat Ali issued a statement on behalf of the Central Khilafat Committee, “expressing the hope that all dedicated Muslims would stay in India and work for the non-cooperation. Only if it did not succeed would they consider resorting to hijrat”. The impact of the fatwa was electrifying and thousands of Muslims preferred to leave the Dar al harb of India where their religious rights symbolized in the position of the Turkish Caliph was being infringed.
And most amazing was the fact that Gandhi’s encouragement led to Deobandi ulema creating the Jamiat ulema Hind ... which in its numerous forms and heads plagues South Asia even today... and all these groups are spin offs of the same.
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#548 Posted by MantoLives on July 20, 2007 12:29:32 pm
Re: # 468
JayP means Gandhi ... Gandhi the racist casteist Hindu fascist bigot ... who was responsible for more misery in the subcontinent than anyone else.
You may try and distort history all you want... but the facts are that it was Mohandas Gandhi who encouraged religious bigots of all kinds... it was Mohandas Gandhi who encouraged Deobandis into Politics...
And it was MOHANDAS GANDHI on whose ORDERS these VERY MULLAHS abused Jinnah and Pakistan as "KAFIR-e-Azam" and "KAFIRISTAN" during the Pakistan Movement.
"Thus GANDHI THE HINDU FASCIST GAVE BIRTH TO A NEW KIND OF ISLAM.... a new version of islam called GANDHI version has taken root in that country. Sadly Jinnah’s progressive principles were ignored and a total givernment suppoprt for this GANDHI islam based on the MULLAHISM. The crowining achievemnt that brought it to worlds attention is the demolition of Bhumian Budhas. These statues survived more than 2000 years, through all of the muslim invaders. The hatred for other religions, the core of the GANDHIAN ISLAM, and transmitted to the students of Pak schools resilted in the demolition of the statues."
The only thing "Jihadic" tendencies of the Deobandis can be traced back to subcontinent’s first true terrorist, the racist casteist hindu fascist Bigot Gandhi who encouraged and brought Mullahs into politics... Think about it... was it not then that the Moplahs rose up and attacked Hindus in South India? TNT and Pakistan was no where in sight then. It was thus this Gandhian doctrine of using religion into politics that started the hatred between communities - as warned by not just Jinnah but Motilal Nehru, CR Das and even Tilak- himself a pious Hindu.
Since one sees Moplah uprising the the first of its kind in terms of "Islamic terrorism" in the 20th century ... one can easily trace back Islamic terrorism to Gandhiji. So atleast give credit where its due ... my boy.
Speaking about Muslim nationhood which merely envisaged a consociationalist solution to India like an ignorant fool that you are... will only delay the process of understanding this communal hatred which still plagues your "secular" India... in a way that it does not plague Pakistan. So go back to the source... it is the evil and poisonous Gandhian ideology that is to blame for communal dischord in South Asia... and as long as Gandhian ideology is hailed and praised, and not buried... India will continue to be plagued with communal violence of the kind that broke out in Ahmedabad.
-YLH
JayP means Gandhi ... Gandhi the racist casteist Hindu fascist bigot ... who was responsible for more misery in the subcontinent than anyone else.
You may try and distort history all you want... but the facts are that it was Mohandas Gandhi who encouraged religious bigots of all kinds... it was Mohandas Gandhi who encouraged Deobandis into Politics...
And it was MOHANDAS GANDHI on whose ORDERS these VERY MULLAHS abused Jinnah and Pakistan as "KAFIR-e-Azam" and "KAFIRISTAN" during the Pakistan Movement.
"Thus GANDHI THE HINDU FASCIST GAVE BIRTH TO A NEW KIND OF ISLAM.... a new version of islam called GANDHI version has taken root in that country. Sadly Jinnah’s progressive principles were ignored and a total givernment suppoprt for this GANDHI islam based on the MULLAHISM. The crowining achievemnt that brought it to worlds attention is the demolition of Bhumian Budhas. These statues survived more than 2000 years, through all of the muslim invaders. The hatred for other religions, the core of the GANDHIAN ISLAM, and transmitted to the students of Pak schools resilted in the demolition of the statues."
The only thing "Jihadic" tendencies of the Deobandis can be traced back to subcontinent’s first true terrorist, the racist casteist hindu fascist Bigot Gandhi who encouraged and brought Mullahs into politics... Think about it... was it not then that the Moplahs rose up and attacked Hindus in South India? TNT and Pakistan was no where in sight then. It was thus this Gandhian doctrine of using religion into politics that started the hatred between communities - as warned by not just Jinnah but Motilal Nehru, CR Das and even Tilak- himself a pious Hindu.
Since one sees Moplah uprising the the first of its kind in terms of "Islamic terrorism" in the 20th century ... one can easily trace back Islamic terrorism to Gandhiji. So atleast give credit where its due ... my boy.
Speaking about Muslim nationhood which merely envisaged a consociationalist solution to India like an ignorant fool that you are... will only delay the process of understanding this communal hatred which still plagues your "secular" India... in a way that it does not plague Pakistan. So go back to the source... it is the evil and poisonous Gandhian ideology that is to blame for communal dischord in South Asia... and as long as Gandhian ideology is hailed and praised, and not buried... India will continue to be plagued with communal violence of the kind that broke out in Ahmedabad.
-YLH
#547 Posted by MantoLives on July 20, 2007 12:26:47 pm
Re: # 476
Again you mean Gandhi-Islamists my friend... Gandhi was the father of all religious fascism ... lets not forget.
Abusing Jinnah for something that he opposed ... and exonerating the Racist Casteist Hindu fascist Bigot Gandhi who was responsible for religious bigotry in the first place is a cheap trick.
Again you mean Gandhi-Islamists my friend... Gandhi was the father of all religious fascism ... lets not forget.
Abusing Jinnah for something that he opposed ... and exonerating the Racist Casteist Hindu fascist Bigot Gandhi who was responsible for religious bigotry in the first place is a cheap trick.
#546 Posted by MantoLives on July 20, 2007 12:24:45 pm
Re: # 522
Oh come now Jayp...
Surely You mean GANDHI-Islam... for I must have proved million times that it was Gandhi who brought these Mullahs into politics against all counsel from Jinnah.
Abusing Jinnah TNT Pakistan etc for Gandhi's creation is rather funny if you ask me.
Oh come now Jayp...
Surely You mean GANDHI-Islam... for I must have proved million times that it was Gandhi who brought these Mullahs into politics against all counsel from Jinnah.
Abusing Jinnah TNT Pakistan etc for Gandhi's creation is rather funny if you ask me.
#545 Posted by rf786 on July 20, 2007 11:25:43 am
#532 Posted by tahmed32
Dear tahmed32
Every step in direction of strengthening civil society is a step in the right direction. Victory for the CJ is a victory for civil society, there is no ambiguity about that and this is a day to celebrate, congratulations.
Just one caveat, Musharraf was ill-advised when he moved against the CJ, that was a blunder because Musharraf's secular Govt strength lies with civil society empowered by independent judiciary. Now that judiciary has regained its suspended independence, people of Pakistan can once again have hope for justice.
#544 Posted by hamidm2 on July 20, 2007 9:57:27 am
mohar mian,
..... i thought you were kidding about the burqini, but here it is ! ...... you have to admit that all fat women who might be mistaken for beached whales should be forced to wear it ...... who said nothing good ever came out of islam ! (please notice that it is designed to accomodate a medium sized suicide belt)
..... i thought you were kidding about the burqini, but here it is ! ...... you have to admit that all fat women who might be mistaken for beached whales should be forced to wear it ...... who said nothing good ever came out of islam ! (please notice that it is designed to accomodate a medium sized suicide belt)
#543 Posted by mohar11 on July 20, 2007 9:44:50 am
#530 Posted by Ranjit
Agree... but I don't think india can do much... the so called "secular elements" in pakiland are more anti-india and filled with anti-hindu big0try than the even the mullahs... so as far as India is concerned - there is no such beast called "secular" paki... you can see that here in chowk itself...
So while your intentions are good, it's still not a workable proposal...
Besides - islamisation and talibanisation of muslim nations is inevitable - it's bound to happen - there ain't nothing america, india or china can do about it... In the only secular muslim country like turkey - islamics are gaining ground - there are now mushrooming "islamic resorts" where women wear "burqini" [ a burqa-bikini, imagine that ] and swim in segreggated swimming pools... the coming election there is predicted to be a big victory for them...
Malayasia - the other "moderate" muslim country - the deputy PM describes his country as an "islamic state"... they now have islamic vice squads, islmisation is spreading fast...
If these countries with established secular credentials and origins are falling fast into islamic abyss - what chance does pakiland have - which has been in islamic clutch right from the start - which was founded in name of islam?...
Agree... but I don't think india can do much... the so called "secular elements" in pakiland are more anti-india and filled with anti-hindu big0try than the even the mullahs... so as far as India is concerned - there is no such beast called "secular" paki... you can see that here in chowk itself...
So while your intentions are good, it's still not a workable proposal...
Besides - islamisation and talibanisation of muslim nations is inevitable - it's bound to happen - there ain't nothing america, india or china can do about it... In the only secular muslim country like turkey - islamics are gaining ground - there are now mushrooming "islamic resorts" where women wear "burqini" [ a burqa-bikini, imagine that ] and swim in segreggated swimming pools... the coming election there is predicted to be a big victory for them...
Malayasia - the other "moderate" muslim country - the deputy PM describes his country as an "islamic state"... they now have islamic vice squads, islmisation is spreading fast...
If these countries with established secular credentials and origins are falling fast into islamic abyss - what chance does pakiland have - which has been in islamic clutch right from the start - which was founded in name of islam?...
#542 Posted by mohar11 on July 20, 2007 9:27:07 am
Alright - pakis, you have made history... congrats on pulling one on Mushy :)
#541 Posted by cliftonbridge on July 20, 2007 8:50:47 am
chennai i think you are missing a big point here. Nearly everyone secular/fundo alike in pakistan is celebrating the victory of a powerful nonviolent return of independant judiciary. It matters shit all what Bush knows since Bush knows nothing.
#540 Posted by cliftonbridge on July 20, 2007 8:50:30 am
chennai i think you are missing a big point here. Nearly everyone secular/fundo alike in pakistan is celebrating the victory of a powerful nonviolent return of independant judiciary. It matters shit all what Bush knows since Bush knows nothing.
#539 Posted by Chennai on July 20, 2007 8:30:10 am
#534 Posted by philosopher
here we go again..pakis deluding themselves on some "victory"....Does Bushy the Bright know who this chaudry dude is.....and does he even want to know.......
Is this "victory" going to change the US intervention in Pakistan or speed up the process.....
U need to answer these........
here we go again..pakis deluding themselves on some "victory"....Does Bushy the Bright know who this chaudry dude is.....and does he even want to know.......
Is this "victory" going to change the US intervention in Pakistan or speed up the process.....
U need to answer these........
#538 Posted by Chennai on July 20, 2007 8:30:04 am
#534 Posted by philosopher
here we go again..pakis deluding themselves on some "victory"....Does Bushy the Bright know who this chaudry dude is.....and does he even want to know.......
Is this "victory" going to change the US intervention in Pakistan or speed up the process.....
U need to answer these........
here we go again..pakis deluding themselves on some "victory"....Does Bushy the Bright know who this chaudry dude is.....and does he even want to know.......
Is this "victory" going to change the US intervention in Pakistan or speed up the process.....
U need to answer these........
#537 Posted by Chennai on July 20, 2007 8:29:15 am
#534 Posted by philosopher
here we go again..pakis deluding themselves on some "victory"....Does Bushy the Bright know who this chaudry dude is.....and does he even want to know.......
Is this "victory" going to change the US intervention in Pakistan or speed up the process.....
here we go again..pakis deluding themselves on some "victory"....Does Bushy the Bright know who this chaudry dude is.....and does he even want to know.......
Is this "victory" going to change the US intervention in Pakistan or speed up the process.....
#536 Posted by Chennai on July 20, 2007 8:29:15 am
#534 Posted by philosopher
here we go again..pakis deluding themselves on some "victory"....Does Bushy the Bright know who this chaudry dude is.....and does he even want to know.......
Is this "victory" going to change the US intervention in Pakistan or speed up the process.....
here we go again..pakis deluding themselves on some "victory"....Does Bushy the Bright know who this chaudry dude is.....and does he even want to know.......
Is this "victory" going to change the US intervention in Pakistan or speed up the process.....
#535 Posted by Chennai on July 20, 2007 8:29:06 am
#534 Posted by philosopher
here we go again..pakis deluding themselves on some "victory"....Does Bushy the Bright know who this chaudry dude is.....and does he even want to know.......
Is this "victory" going to change the US intervention in Pakistan or speed up the process.....
here we go again..pakis deluding themselves on some "victory"....Does Bushy the Bright know who this chaudry dude is.....and does he even want to know.......
Is this "victory" going to change the US intervention in Pakistan or speed up the process.....
#534 Posted by philosopher on July 20, 2007 7:45:48 am
Mushyoons are screwed...
congrats muslimoon
Pakistan Chief Justice reinstated as SC gives historic decision
ISLAMABAD: A 13-member full court of the Supreme Court on Friday gave historic verdict to reinstate Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry and quashed misconduct charges filed against him by President Pervez Musharraf.
The announcement sparked massive celebrations by lawyers who had spent the day waiting outside the court for the verdict.
Chaudhry was suspended in March, following allegations that he abused his position, notably to obtain a top police job for his son and other privileges for himself.
"The reference of the president dated March 9, 2007 is set aside," presiding judge Khalil-ur-Rehman Ramday told the court, announcing the panel of judges had reached a 10-3 decision in Chaudhry's favour after a 43-day hearing.
"As a further consequence, the petitioner, the Chief Justice of Pakistan, shall be deemed to be holding the said office and shall always be deemed to have been so holding the same," he said.
The Supreme Court started hearing of an appeal of Chief Justice of Pakistan Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry against his suspension by President Gen. Pervez Musharraf on April 18.
Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry had challenged Musharraf's decision to suspend him and he was under trial for alleged misconduct.
The lead counsel for the chief justice Chaudhry Aitzaz Ahsan had filed a petition against presidential reference under article 184-III of constitution.
Aitzaz Ahsan had completed his arguments during the hearing today after which head of a 13-member full court bench of Supreme Court Justice Khalilur Rahman Ramday announced the brief verdict.
On this occasion, special security arrangements were made outside the Supreme Court by posting heavy contingents of police.
Meanwhile, Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz said the government accepted the Supreme Court's decision to reinstate the country's top judge but added it was "not the time to claim victory or defeat."
"I have just learnt of the Supreme Court decision. I have always maintained that the decision by the honourable court must be accepted by all sections of the people including the government itself," Aziz said in a statement.
"This is not the time to claim victory or defeat. The constitution and the law have prevailed and must prevail at all times," he added.
congrats muslimoon
Pakistan Chief Justice reinstated as SC gives historic decision
ISLAMABAD: A 13-member full court of the Supreme Court on Friday gave historic verdict to reinstate Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry and quashed misconduct charges filed against him by President Pervez Musharraf.
The announcement sparked massive celebrations by lawyers who had spent the day waiting outside the court for the verdict.
Chaudhry was suspended in March, following allegations that he abused his position, notably to obtain a top police job for his son and other privileges for himself.
"The reference of the president dated March 9, 2007 is set aside," presiding judge Khalil-ur-Rehman Ramday told the court, announcing the panel of judges had reached a 10-3 decision in Chaudhry's favour after a 43-day hearing.
"As a further consequence, the petitioner, the Chief Justice of Pakistan, shall be deemed to be holding the said office and shall always be deemed to have been so holding the same," he said.
The Supreme Court started hearing of an appeal of Chief Justice of Pakistan Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry against his suspension by President Gen. Pervez Musharraf on April 18.
Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry had challenged Musharraf's decision to suspend him and he was under trial for alleged misconduct.
The lead counsel for the chief justice Chaudhry Aitzaz Ahsan had filed a petition against presidential reference under article 184-III of constitution.
Aitzaz Ahsan had completed his arguments during the hearing today after which head of a 13-member full court bench of Supreme Court Justice Khalilur Rahman Ramday announced the brief verdict.
On this occasion, special security arrangements were made outside the Supreme Court by posting heavy contingents of police.
Meanwhile, Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz said the government accepted the Supreme Court's decision to reinstate the country's top judge but added it was "not the time to claim victory or defeat."
"I have just learnt of the Supreme Court decision. I have always maintained that the decision by the honourable court must be accepted by all sections of the people including the government itself," Aziz said in a statement.
"This is not the time to claim victory or defeat. The constitution and the law have prevailed and must prevail at all times," he added.
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