A Letter To President Musharraf

ranjit,

"We need to immediately setup an alliance with the US and the secular elements of Pak army and Pak society. The secular elements should be given full support both materially and logistically to crush the islamists."

..... great idea ! ...... you can start by sending a hundred dollars to my paypal account .....

... thank you for your support

rf: the solution to mullah lawlessness is - surprise! - law and order. Not musharraf or some general taking on airs of being the "centralized power" in Pakistan (as Mush was calling for yesterday in his continued efforts to cling to power).

And law and order means, doing police investigative work to find those responsible for bombings and bringing them to court as murderers. For finding those responsible for attacking peaceful protesters (as on May 12) and bringing them to court.

And the tossing out of all charges by mush as being unconstitional by the Supreme Court by overwhelming majority is a giant step in the right direction. And the credit for this goes to all Pakistanis who are struggling peacefully and bravely against gun-toting mullahs and ambitious two-bit generals.

Re: # 530 Posted by Ranjit:

It is only a matter of when & how the US is going to intervene in Pakistan and not "if".

That being the case India should sit tight and not get involved in what appears to be a battle of Islamic ideology.

Guys, I know it is very tempting for us Indians to enjoy the sight of violence and chaos in Pakistan. However, lets take a calm and sober look at what is going on next door. Pakistan is slowly degnerating into a civil war between Islamists and Secularists along the lines of what happened in Algeria and to some extent in Egypt. The outcome of this conflict can have serious consequences, not just for Pakistan but also for India. There is no guarantee that the Secularists (represented by the army) will win here. For all practical purposes, the NWFP and Baluchistan provinces are pretty much uncontrollable by Islamabad. There are certainly strong sections in the Pak army and the security establishment that favors the Islamists. Therefore, there is a real chance of a fracture in the Pak army as well along the same lines that Pak society is fracturing.

In the worst case scenario, we could see a Islamist general overthrowing Mushy and adopting a completely pro-Taliban ideology. While a majority of Pakistanis may not support that, they are too weak to stand up to the Islamists, especially if the army switches allegiance. That would lead to Pakistan becoming a Sunni clone of Iran and the US may be booted out of the region. In an even bleaker scenario, the army could fall apart by splitting between generals who are islamists vs generals who are secular. That would lead to pro-Taliban elements aligned with one section of the army fighting an opposing section of the army that would have US support. Now throw the control of nukes into all this and you have the perfect storm scenario developing here.

I think it is time for India to wake up and have a serious discussion with the US about what to do about Pakistan and the way it is headed. In any such scenario above, it will lead to doomsday for India as well. A rogue Islamist general with nukes will not hesitate to reduce North India to the stone age even as Pakistan gets wiped out in exchange. We need to immediately setup an alliance with the US and the secular elements of Pak army and Pak society. The secular elements should be given full support both materially and logistically to crush the islamists. They must be encouraged to use the most brutal tactics possible to wipe out the Islamists without raising bogeys about human rights and so forth.

We need to learn from history. A thousand years back when Islamists were attacking the Northwest of India, the rest of North India was watching a tamasha from the sidelines. As a result, the entire Northwest became muslim and North India also got conquered under imperial muslim rule. We must not let that history repeat itself by watching the events in Pakistan as a tamasha for our entertainment.

Noose is getting tighter and tighter for the fascists mulla brigade, every suicide bombing, attack on civil society brings their fate ever so closer to their end. To claim otherwise is delusional and will not change anything.

Like I have said b4, If Mush cannot do the job then someother General will have to do it, and if there is no general willing, then Uncle Sam is itching to pull the plug. Now we also have our dear friend the Chinese breathing down our necks, that cud mean only one thing, International forces have decided enuff is enuff and Pakistani establishment has no choice but to eliminate these cells of terrorism or face extinction.

For the chutya mulla supporters, is'nt one Afghanistan enuff, do they want another fkng qabristaan in Pakistan? I guess, for these egomaniacs its their way or no way, so I say let them be decimated for the good of peace loving majority.

Well, It looks like curtains for Mushy the Mighty Warrior of Muslims.......

By Vali Nasr
Fri Jul 20, 4:00 AM ET

Washington - The National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) released this week paints a bleak picture of Al Qaeda's renewed strength and determination to attack America. And a major part of the blame, US officials charge, lies with someone President Bush has described as a critical ally in the war on terror: Pakistani President General Pervez Musharraf.

Since 9/11, Washington has looked to President Musharraf to uproot Islamic extremism in South Asia. Nearly six years later, however, Pakistan is still a nuclear-armed crucible of jihadi culture, exporting terrorists and destabilizing its neighbors.

For too long, Washington has coddled the Pakistani general, turned a blind eye to his crushing of democracy, and read too much into his pro-West rhetoric. The US must change course. And there are signs it's about to. "There's no doubt that more aggressive steps need to be taken," White House spokesman Tony Snow said.

After almost a decade under Mush-arraf's rule, Pakistan hasn't changed much. He has initiated reforms and revamped the economy. But where he was expected to do most, fighting Islamic extremism, Pakistan's record is most disappointing.

Al Qaeda and the Taliban use Pakistani soil as a haven and training ground. Recent deals between the government and Pashtun tribes have in effect ceded the border region between Afghanistan and Pakistan to the Taliban and their Al Qaeda allies. A big reason Al Qaeda's influence is growing, according to the NIE, is the operational capability it enjoys in Pakistan.

Musharraf speaks of "enlightened moderation," but he has done more to pulverize secular democratic parties than contain Islamist ones. It was his electoral rules that helped Islamist parties win their largest parliamentary representation ever in 2002, marginalizing the larger secular parties that threatened him.

Islamabad is happy to nab foreign jihadis when pressured by the West or ban extremist groups that get out of hand, but it has been reluctant to uproot the infrastructure of extremism.

Extremist groups proliferate and operate in the open. Musharraf finds them useful in convincing Washington and Pakistan's middle classes that the military is all that protects the country from a Taliban-like Islamic state.

It is not a coincidence that the government's recent battle against extremists associated with the Red Mosque came on the heels of nationwide antigovernment protests following Musharraf's summary dismissal of the country's chief justice. Musharraf hopes that the crisis will persuade secular-minded Pakistanis to abandon the barricades and align behind him.

The government was fully aware of what went on in the Red Mosque, just a mile from the powerful Inter-Services Intelligence headquarters. Yet Musharraf chose to ignore the extremists between January and June, even as they sought to impose Islamic law on the capital city. It was not until he sensed public anger at his dithering, and confronted a diplomatic crisis when the extremists abducted Chinese nationals, that he stormed the mosque.

Frustrated with developments in Pakistan, many in Washington look to elections and a civilian government for solutions. Democracy should be wel-comed, but it will change little. The last time there was a transfer of power to a civilian government, in 1988, the military still chose the foreign minister and informed the prime minister that it would control the nuclear program, intelligence, security, and policies toward Afghanistan and India. This time, too, the military will continue to call the shots – especially when it comes to Afghanistan.

Without Pakistani cooperation, NATO and the US will have to substantially increase their commitments to contain the Taliban. That cooperation will not be forthcoming until the US addresses Pakistani interests. Afghanistan has always been a strategic concern for Islamabad. Pashtuns make up 40 percent of Afghanistan, but there are more Pashtuns in Pakistan, where they constitute 15 percent of the population. Afghanistan has never recognized the border (Durand line) between the two countries, and for most of Pakistan's existence, Pashtuns in control of an independent Afghan state have been allied with India and laid irredentist claims to Pakistan's Pashtun Northwest Province.

It was only when Pakistani-backed Afghan mujahideen or the Taliban ruled Kabul that Pakistan felt secure in its relations with Afghanistan. Pakistani generals counted on the "strategic depth" that their neighbor to the northwest would provide in a war against India.

These days, they see Afghanistan as an adversary. They are irked by Afghan President Hamid Karzai's strong ties to Delhi and the mushrooming of Indian consulates across Afghanistan. The territory that they "owned" until 9/11, thanks to the Taliban, is now at best neutral and at worst the playground of their arch rival, India. Pakistan does not view Afghanistan through the prism of the war on terror, but in the context of its own vulnerabilities in the competition for power and influence with India. That's why Islamabad has everything to gain by playing the Taliban card, giving its fighters and their Al Qaeda allies a lair in Pakistan's border region, to keep Kabul weak and southern Afghanistan free of Indian influence.

In dealing with Pakistan, Washington has preferred to see the logic of the war on terror as self-evident, not recognizing that even close allies will not cooperate if it does not serve their interests. It is only by addressing Pakistan's interests that Washington can secure greater cooperation from Islamabad.

Washington cannot give Pakistan the sphere of influence in southern Afghanistan that it desires to make sure it will not be encircled by India. However, Washington can give Pakistan greater interest in Afghanistan's stability than it has now by encouraging Kabul to include Pakistan's allies and clients in government; and more important, to finally recognize its international border with Pakistan.

Tiger Aziz,

A new hero is born in pakistan, the fire brand jihad preaching mullah tried to escape in a burka and in the great pakistani tradition, he has been called the Tiger Aziz. That is the title given to general Niazi for surrendering 90,000 pakistani troops.

Zeemax, please post the picture of Tiger Azix being arrested, you can see a wet burka at the same place that you have identified for the indian soldier.

For a long time the Tiger Aziz will be worshipped in the madrassas of pakistan.

A great pak hero

burka mulla options

Pakistanis are ashamed of the burka mulla, but here are a few ways to make it into a success

1. Auction the burka at Christies. This will be the first time in history a jihad preaching mullah tried to save his life. This event in at par with the demolition of bhumian buddahas by jinnah-islamists. The burka is more than likely to be purchased by the British museum.

2. Create new line of escape burkas. These could be in military fatigue to make the escape easier.

3. Create a new line of mullah burkas, all in dark black, with a cut out to show the beard so that the people know that it is a mulla in burka.

All of the above can show that the land of TNt is setting new trends in islamic fashion.

Today's Bomb Blast.....A Bomb A Day Makes a Pakis day...

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - A suicide car bomber rammed a paramilitary checkpost killing four people in Pakistan's North Waziristan tribal region on Friday, the latest attack in a wave of violence sweeping the country in recent weeks.

"Four people including a paramilitary soldier and three civilians have been killed," a security official told Reuters.

Six people, including three civilians, were wounded, he added.

A wave of bomb attacks has swept across Pakistan, killing more than 180 people, since the army's siege and assault earlier this month on the Lal Masjid or Red Mosque complex, a militant stronghold in the capital, Islamabad.

While militants are believed to be avenging the mosque assault, pro-Taliban fighters have abandoned a peace pact in North Waziristan, adding to concern over a deteriorating security situation in the volatile northwest.

Reactions from All Weather Friend...With second thoughts....

July 20, 2007
CHINA has condemned a suicide bomb attack in Pakistan that targeted a convoy of Chinese workers and left at least 27 Pakistanis dead.

"China strongly condemns the terror attack (in Pakistan) and expresses its grief over those killed and offers its condolences to their relatives and to those injured," the foreign ministry said in a short statement today.

The attack was a reminder for China of the harsh realities of becoming a global power.

In Pakistan's southwestern industrial town of Hub, a suicide car bomber last night blew himself up as a convoy of Chinese citizens and security forces passed by, killing at least 30 Pakistanis but no Chinese nationals.

Police who were guarding the Chinese convoy were among those killed, according to authorities in Pakistan who said the bombing was a suicide attack.

The attack comes as Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf, under fire from multiple suicide bombers, pressured by the White House and facing a key court ruling, was today set for one of the toughest days of his eight-year rule.

A wave of suicide attacks sparked by an army raid General Musharraf ordered on a pro-Taliban mosque last week reached a new, bloody peak yesterday, claiming 51 lives and bringing the death toll from the backlash of violence to almost 200.

Apart from the Chinese convoy bombing, there were two other attacks - bombers targeted an army mosque and a police college.

Hardline mullahs today, the Islamic day of prayer, were set to call for the downfall of the US-backed military ruler a week after protesters enraged by the Red Mosque raid burnt him in effigy, along with a puppet of Uncle Sam.

But while General Musharraf has repeatedly vowed to step up the hunt on militants in the country's lawless Afghan border regions, the United States has challenged him to do more - and threatened to go it alone if he doesn't.

Analysts and officials in Pakistan say that Islamic and tribal militants are attacking Chinese in order to harm Islamabad's relations with China, its powerful ally and biggest military supplier.

Yesterday's attack came two weeks after China demanded better protection for its citizens in Pakistan following the killing of three Chinese men in the northwestern city of Peshawar by suspected Islamic militants.

In February last year, three Chinese engineers working for a cement plant were gunned down in Baluchistan, the same province as where yesterday's attack occurred.

The attacks will come as a stark reminder to Beijing of the risks inherent in China’s bolder approach to the extension of its interests and influence beyond its borders, particularly in Asia and Africa. More than 4 million Chinese now work overseas.

Pakistani security forces have stepped up protection for the 3000 Chinese working on development projects across the country since the siege and assault on Islamabad’s radical Red Mosque.

The violent end to the siege was triggered by the kidnapping of a group of Chinese women by women students from a seminary linked to the Red Mosque. Leaders of the mosque, who modelled themselves on the Taliban, accused the six Chinese of working as prostitutes in a massage parlour.

Pakistan traditionally has enjoyed close ties with China. However, relations were strained when members of the Muslim separatist movement in the Chinese provinces of Xinjiang and Uighur sought refuge in Pakistan’s tribal region after fleeing from Afghanistan in 2001. They became closely linked to Pakistan’s radical Islamists.

Islamic militants loyal to al-Qa'ida swore revenge after Pakistan handed over to China a number of senior Muslim leaders captured in Kashmir in 2002.

They included Ismail Kadir, the Uighur leader who has led a violent struggle to set up an independent East Turkestan state in predominantly Muslim Xinjiang, which borders Pakistan, Afghanistan and restive Central Asian states. In January 2004 China drew up a list of militants linked to al-Qaeda who operated within Pakistan’s tribal areas. Many are believed to have been killed in Pakistani military operations in Waziristan.

China says that its role overseas is to promote neighbourliness and understanding, in countries as diverse as Angola and Antigua. However, the main beneficiaries of China’s overseas investment are poorer nations, such as Sudan, that are rich in the natural resources China needs.
There is a growing sense of unease in countries that are beneficiaries of China’s overseas investment about what many perceive as a new form of colonialism.

China wants its Third World friends to act in accordance with the spirit of the struggle against colonialism and hegemony, but has difficulty grasping the idea that increasing numbers of people believe that it lacks sincerity.

The antagonism ranges from rage felt by Islamic radicals in Pakistan over China’s policies to suppress pro-independence Muslim movements, to resentment among small merchants and tribesmen in Kenya who see their jobs and businesses being taken over by Chinese contractors.

Ahmed Rashid, a political analyst in Pakistan, said that anger was simmering over perceptions that the Chinese were stealing their livelihoods. “The Baluch feel that all the contracts are going to Chinese and they use only their own labour,” he said. Chinese contractors bring in many of their own engineers and labour.

They live in tight-knit communities that operate in a virtual vacuum inside whichever country they have been assigned. That breeds resentment among locals who fear for their livelihoods and are suspicious of outsiders.

In April nine Chinese workers and 65 Ethiopians were killed when guerrillas attacked an oil installation near the Somali border. Rebels abducted a Chinese mining executive searching for uranium in the Sahara, adding Niger to the list of states where China’s hunger for minerals has led its nationals into trouble.

In a recent report, Stratford, the security consultancy, said: “China now faces the dilemma of any country that undertakes an active foreign policy, particularly one based on the acquisition of resources. It must now decide how much to get involved in other countries’ internal issues.”

The idea is anathema to Beijing, which regards non-interference in other countries’ affairs as a fundamental plank of its foreign policy.

- The Times, AFP, AP

Dacca Syndrome

In the military parlance surrender without fight is called Dacca syndrome, named after the surrender of 90,000 pakistani troops by general Niazi.

Pk army is a latin army that cannot fight a war, they can only rule the civilian population.

A few suicide bombs in the past few days, the generals are back talking with the taliban on surrender terms, the Dacca syndrome is at work.

Then there is the 7 chinese captured by the lal majids. None of them were killed and all back at work. The 7 were rounded up from 7 brothels in Islamabad, one cannot believe that the army has given visas to several chinese to operate brothels.

Pakistan reduced to Sindh

Pakistan was created for the muslims of India. Those who embraced this idea are called mohajirs and most of them are in sindh.

Hence it is the realisation of the vision of Jinnah that only sindh should be part of pakistan, that si where all the mohajirs are, the true believers of jinnahs idea.

Going back to the Jinnah doctrine of TNT, helps to identify the configuration of pakistan after its iraquisation.

NWFP to afghanistan where most are pushtoons
POK to India
Pakistan to be re-named as Sindh.

this will be consistent with Jinnahs vision, at last there is a home for indian muslims.

Benefits of carpet bombing

Many reports say that some parts tora bora mountains are greener than ever before. The carpet bombings have created craters where water has accumulated leading to re-growth of plants and animal lives. The nomadic tribes of afghanistan are finding the mountain ranges more inhabitable than before.

Waziristan is another backward area where a little of soil conditioning by B52s will be most welcome.

Any tru lover of pakistan like tahmed cannot seriously deny some economic prosperity for that region.

Beginning of the end.

US is slowly softening the pak elites that bombing of waziristan is only weeks away. Predator UAV was over the lal masjid, that is the first right step, then the missiles will strike at the jihadis.

The only complaint I have with the predator is that the missiles on board are named hell-fire, if only the americans could re-name it as houri-gift, no jihadi will complain.

#517 by harish_hyd

PS: Could even be a Jihadi. Terrorists wearing police/army uniforms is not uncommon.

Thanks zeemax for the picture of the dead indian police man and the detail with which you have analyzed the dead. This is what I had been always telling on chowk, jihadi takes pleasure in seeing the dead, he is a killer, a general purpose killer and his joy first is in seeing the sight of death and probably he will go to the jinnahic heaven with that last scene in his mind.

Thanks zeemax, more of the pakistanis on chowk like the tahmeds will be happy with your pictures. These are the people who perpetuate this by denying the satanic verses. It is they who pose as koran experts while the people who spent their lives learning and interpreting koran run the lal majids and jihadi trainings.