Khadija Hassan July 13, 2007
#517 Posted by harish_hyd on July 20, 2007 2:13:35 am
#499 by zeemax
Looks more like a Kashmiri Muslim (skin color and beard), probably a policeman. Hindu cops are not allowed to grow beards (except during wars) or in extreme climatic conditions like in Siachen.
Looks more like a Kashmiri Muslim (skin color and beard), probably a policeman. Hindu cops are not allowed to grow beards (except during wars) or in extreme climatic conditions like in Siachen.
#516 Posted by Chennai on July 19, 2007 11:14:51 pm
Giuliani on Pakistan & Musharaff.........
By Susan Page, USA TODAY
CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa — Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani said Thursday that the United States should do more to capture Osama bin Laden and dismantle al-Qaeda operations in Afghanistan and northern Pakistan — even at the expense of an ally, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf.
While he wasn't explicitly critical of President Bush, the Republican presidential contender outlined in an interview with USA TODAY a more aggressive stance and a different emphasis than the administration has pursued in the region that spawned the terror network.
The United States has been distracted "for a while" by military setbacks and political heat surrounding the Iraq war, Giuliani said, not focusing enough on al-Qaeda's resurgence in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
"This cannot be like a horror movie," he said. "You know, in the horror movie you kill the monster, and the hand re-emerges. And if you're not looking, the hand grows back and then the monster's there again. That cannot be allowed to happen."
Giuliani, who has led the GOP presidential field in the USA TODAY/Gallup Poll through the year, was interviewed near the end of a two-day campaign trip to Iowa. He visited an ethanol plant and promised as president to appoint "strict constructionist" judges who would not reinterpret the Constitution.
His presidential campaign has been tied largely to his leadership in New York after the 2001 attack on the World Trade Center. Giuliani was most animated when he turned in the interview to the subject of battling Islamic extremists, with a copy of the National Intelligence Estimate that was released Tuesday at his side. They were his first substantive comments on the formal assessment of the nation's terrorist threat.
The report warned that al-Qaeda has significantly strengthened its operations over the past two years, creating a "heightened threat environment" for the United States.
Some of Giuliani's comments echoed critics of the war in Iraq who argue that the invasion drew attention and resources away from the battle against the home base of al-Qaeda, which carried out the 9/11 attacks. Giuliani, however, called the Iraq war "enormously important," but he said other challenges from Islamic terrorism also demanded attention.
"I said it a long time ago … America is too consumed with Iraq," he said. "We've got to be patient and committed (in Iraq), but we've got to multitask. We've got to have conversations beyond Iraq. We've got to talk about Iran — Iran is more dangerous than Iraq — and we have to get the job done in Afghanistan and in Pakistan."
He said that might involve reorganizing United Nations forces, committing more U.S. resources, considering U.S.-led airstrikes on al-Qaeda targets in northern Pakistan or taking a tougher line with Musharraf — or pursuing all those steps.
Giuliani expressed little patience with the Pakistani president, who last fall brokered a cease-fire with tribal leaders in northern Pakistan that let them police their own territories. The White House said this week that the deal helped open the way for al-Qaeda to rebuild its infrastructure.
"Musharraf is important to us to the extent that he helps us remove this existential threat to him and to us," Giuliani said.
"And to the extent that he recognizes that it's an existential threat to us and to him, he's valuable to us. To the extent that he doesn't, he isn't," Giuliani said.
By Susan Page, USA TODAY
CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa — Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani said Thursday that the United States should do more to capture Osama bin Laden and dismantle al-Qaeda operations in Afghanistan and northern Pakistan — even at the expense of an ally, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf.
While he wasn't explicitly critical of President Bush, the Republican presidential contender outlined in an interview with USA TODAY a more aggressive stance and a different emphasis than the administration has pursued in the region that spawned the terror network.
The United States has been distracted "for a while" by military setbacks and political heat surrounding the Iraq war, Giuliani said, not focusing enough on al-Qaeda's resurgence in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
"This cannot be like a horror movie," he said. "You know, in the horror movie you kill the monster, and the hand re-emerges. And if you're not looking, the hand grows back and then the monster's there again. That cannot be allowed to happen."
Giuliani, who has led the GOP presidential field in the USA TODAY/Gallup Poll through the year, was interviewed near the end of a two-day campaign trip to Iowa. He visited an ethanol plant and promised as president to appoint "strict constructionist" judges who would not reinterpret the Constitution.
His presidential campaign has been tied largely to his leadership in New York after the 2001 attack on the World Trade Center. Giuliani was most animated when he turned in the interview to the subject of battling Islamic extremists, with a copy of the National Intelligence Estimate that was released Tuesday at his side. They were his first substantive comments on the formal assessment of the nation's terrorist threat.
The report warned that al-Qaeda has significantly strengthened its operations over the past two years, creating a "heightened threat environment" for the United States.
Some of Giuliani's comments echoed critics of the war in Iraq who argue that the invasion drew attention and resources away from the battle against the home base of al-Qaeda, which carried out the 9/11 attacks. Giuliani, however, called the Iraq war "enormously important," but he said other challenges from Islamic terrorism also demanded attention.
"I said it a long time ago … America is too consumed with Iraq," he said. "We've got to be patient and committed (in Iraq), but we've got to multitask. We've got to have conversations beyond Iraq. We've got to talk about Iran — Iran is more dangerous than Iraq — and we have to get the job done in Afghanistan and in Pakistan."
He said that might involve reorganizing United Nations forces, committing more U.S. resources, considering U.S.-led airstrikes on al-Qaeda targets in northern Pakistan or taking a tougher line with Musharraf — or pursuing all those steps.
Giuliani expressed little patience with the Pakistani president, who last fall brokered a cease-fire with tribal leaders in northern Pakistan that let them police their own territories. The White House said this week that the deal helped open the way for al-Qaeda to rebuild its infrastructure.
"Musharraf is important to us to the extent that he helps us remove this existential threat to him and to us," Giuliani said.
"And to the extent that he recognizes that it's an existential threat to us and to him, he's valuable to us. To the extent that he doesn't, he isn't," Giuliani said.
#515 Posted by echoboom on July 19, 2007 3:46:51 pm
I'd say: "let them come"..this should have happened from day one instead of the paper-sipahis like G & J's antics. When was the last time freedom was "awarded" by transfering the title-deed with a mortgage in perpetuity?
Such a battle was left unfinished in 1857 due the complicity of the elite of those days.The Western & the westoxicated ones must be removed from the hearts & minds, besides the property, of all muslims.
Aey taae-r-e lahhotee, Uus rizque sey maut achhee
Jis rizque sey aatee ho, parvaaz meiN kotaa-hee"
.............................ALLAMA Iqbal.
Such a battle was left unfinished in 1857 due the complicity of the elite of those days.The Western & the westoxicated ones must be removed from the hearts & minds, besides the property, of all muslims.
Aey taae-r-e lahhotee, Uus rizque sey maut achhee
Jis rizque sey aatee ho, parvaaz meiN kotaa-hee"
.............................ALLAMA Iqbal.
#514 Posted by philosopher on July 19, 2007 3:39:48 pm
US military action possible inside Pakistan: US
WASHINGTON: The White House on Thursday refused to rule out striking at suspected terrorist targets inside Pakistan and would not say whether US forces would first seek permission from Islamabad.
Asked whether US President George W Bush had ruled out US military action inside Pakistan, spokesman Tony Snow replied: 'We never rule out any options, including striking actionable targets.'
Asked whether Bush would first seek authorization from Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf, Snow told reporters, 'Those are matters that are best not discussed publicly.'
Washington in recent days has sharply criticized Musharraf's truce with leaders in Pakistan's tribal areas, where Al-Qaeda and Taliban militants were believed hiding, calling on him to take aggressive military action.
And Bush's top counter-terrorism adviser at the White House recently suggested that the United States did not get all of the cooperation it hoped for from Pakistan in the global war on terrorism.
At the same time, the White House has been praising Musharraf personally.
'President Musharraf has put his life on the line and has been a very important ally in the war on terror,' Snow said as Bush travelled here to make remarks on the federal budget.
'It's also clear that Taliban and al Qaeda, in the northwest territories and the federally administered tribal areas, have begun to put on operations that threaten the government of Pakistan itself,' he added.
'President Musharraf, having tried one approach, in terms of dealing with the tribal leaders, is now going to have to be more aggressive and is being more aggressive moving forces into the region to deal with the security problems there,' he said.
WASHINGTON: The White House on Thursday refused to rule out striking at suspected terrorist targets inside Pakistan and would not say whether US forces would first seek permission from Islamabad.
Asked whether US President George W Bush had ruled out US military action inside Pakistan, spokesman Tony Snow replied: 'We never rule out any options, including striking actionable targets.'
Asked whether Bush would first seek authorization from Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf, Snow told reporters, 'Those are matters that are best not discussed publicly.'
Washington in recent days has sharply criticized Musharraf's truce with leaders in Pakistan's tribal areas, where Al-Qaeda and Taliban militants were believed hiding, calling on him to take aggressive military action.
And Bush's top counter-terrorism adviser at the White House recently suggested that the United States did not get all of the cooperation it hoped for from Pakistan in the global war on terrorism.
At the same time, the White House has been praising Musharraf personally.
'President Musharraf has put his life on the line and has been a very important ally in the war on terror,' Snow said as Bush travelled here to make remarks on the federal budget.
'It's also clear that Taliban and al Qaeda, in the northwest territories and the federally administered tribal areas, have begun to put on operations that threaten the government of Pakistan itself,' he added.
'President Musharraf, having tried one approach, in terms of dealing with the tribal leaders, is now going to have to be more aggressive and is being more aggressive moving forces into the region to deal with the security problems there,' he said.
#513 Posted by Folio on July 19, 2007 2:48:10 pm
Re: # 499
Zeemax,
The sob in the pix is a terrorist. I dont need to say it's a Muslim guy who's killed in an encounter by policemen.
P.S: Why those two UP queens fancy you?
Zeemax,
The sob in the pix is a terrorist. I dont need to say it's a Muslim guy who's killed in an encounter by policemen.
P.S: Why those two UP queens fancy you?
#511 Posted by zeemax on July 19, 2007 2:34:55 pm
#510 Posted by stuka,
You're an Indian. Tell me if I'm wrong in #508.
You're an Indian. Tell me if I'm wrong in #508.
#510 Posted by stuka on July 19, 2007 2:09:14 pm
Abey Zeemax, tu hamesha itna khaffa kyon rehta hai yaar?
#509 Posted by arjun2 on July 19, 2007 1:55:42 pm
#508 Posted by zeemax on July 19, 2007 1:48:40 pm
if wishes were horses, pakis would ride...and aunty aziz wouldn't need a burkha..and kashmir would have been pakiland by now..
if wishes were horses, pakis would ride...and aunty aziz wouldn't need a burkha..and kashmir would have been pakiland by now..
#508 Posted by zeemax on July 19, 2007 1:48:40 pm
#507 Posted by arjun2,
Abey chutya ... agar Aghanistan Pakistan ki gaand mein ghus gaya to kya Pakistan/Afghanistan dono mil kar bharat ki gaand nahin maarein gey?
Now eff off.
Abey chutya ... agar Aghanistan Pakistan ki gaand mein ghus gaya to kya Pakistan/Afghanistan dono mil kar bharat ki gaand nahin maarein gey?
Now eff off.
#507 Posted by arjun2 on July 19, 2007 1:29:49 pm
#499 Posted by zeemax on July 19, 2007 11:59:29 am
so will kashmir banega pakistan NOW....? when when when?
haha..keep dreaming.in reality, you're closer to a pakistan banega afghanistan..
so will kashmir banega pakistan NOW....? when when when?
haha..keep dreaming.in reality, you're closer to a pakistan banega afghanistan..
#506 Posted by bulleya on July 19, 2007 12:31:03 pm
hamidm2 mian: # don't you think you have done enough damage for one lifetime.....the thought process you support has resulted in the total death and destruction of one country - iraq.......now you seemed to be hell bent on destroying another - pakistan........
.....your logic is backwards.....you think people should be killed because they and their like are carrying out suicide bombings.......actually, it is the other way around......people are carrying out suicide bombings, because they are their like are being killed.....
......this does not justify the suicide bombings......but it certainly explains the only way of controlling them......and that is to stop relying on military power to counter ideologies....everytime a govt. attacks it ends up killing many innocents.......which only worsens the problem...
.......my suggestion to you would be to enjoy your life in prosperous detroit or dearborn or chicago.......go out with the sprinkler.........and, for heavens sake, realize how upside down the ideas you pushed happened to be in iraq.......
between your militancy and that of the suicide bombers, the rest of us pakistanis will and are getting crushed......the, "you are with us or against" policy did not work........life is not that black and white.....
.....your logic is backwards.....you think people should be killed because they and their like are carrying out suicide bombings.......actually, it is the other way around......people are carrying out suicide bombings, because they are their like are being killed.....
......this does not justify the suicide bombings......but it certainly explains the only way of controlling them......and that is to stop relying on military power to counter ideologies....everytime a govt. attacks it ends up killing many innocents.......which only worsens the problem...
.......my suggestion to you would be to enjoy your life in prosperous detroit or dearborn or chicago.......go out with the sprinkler.........and, for heavens sake, realize how upside down the ideas you pushed happened to be in iraq.......
between your militancy and that of the suicide bombers, the rest of us pakistanis will and are getting crushed......the, "you are with us or against" policy did not work........life is not that black and white.....
#505 Posted by zeemax on July 19, 2007 12:26:59 pm
#504 Posted by hamidm2,
It is no joy for me. But if this has to be so, so may it be. I shall have no regrets.
It is no joy for me. But if this has to be so, so may it be. I shall have no regrets.
#504 Posted by hamidm2 on July 19, 2007 12:24:04 pm
zeemax,
..... i see you are getting quite a adrenalin rush out of this carnage - enjoy !
#503 Posted by zeemax on July 19, 2007 12:18:43 pm
#499 is horifying ... I know ... but that's what happens with arrogance and war. War is not for the squeamish.
#502 Posted by zeemax on July 19, 2007 12:14:13 pm
#500 Posted by hamid_murtad,
No I am not. This is reality. Have you ever seen a freshly killed dead body? This is what you will see all around now.
No I am not. This is reality. Have you ever seen a freshly killed dead body? This is what you will see all around now.
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