A Letter To President Musharraf

you wrote this colum 1 year ago but consequences we r facing in our dear pakistan now in 2008.
You look like komal tarique of lahore who can predict various things like u

if i am buttering then dont mind but i must say that never heard a good healthy neither filled with animosty nor support I every single word. Have my respects in all regards.

Analysis of events in last two years can tell you quite a few things went wrong and there is tough time ahead. Pakistan is in danger. A small group which has exclusive rights and it has created negative feelings among people which will result in breaking of this society.

Please do something sensible. Maybe you can organize civil society. I wish I could do something sensible other than just writing.

Now who is responsible? Who has been at the helm of afairs for las 8 years.

Khalid

Analysis of events in last two years can tell you quite a few things went wrong and there is tough time ahead. Pakistan is in danger. A small group which has exclusive rights and it has created negative feelings among people which will result in breaking of this society.

Please do something sensible. Maybe you can organize civil society. I wish I could do something sensible other than just writing.

Now who is responsible? Who has been at the helm of afairs for las 8 years.

Khalid

You're all illiterates.

thanks hassan for the nice remarks..let us all Pakistanis use this energy for Pakistan and Ummah...ameen

Dear D-I-D:

Your posts are full of great emotional energy. Smart people channel this emotional energy to do something constructive.

I recommend you use this energy to create something within your viccinity. I cannot suggest you anything because I do not know your environment and circumstances. You should be the judge.

If you deeply look at great people in history you will find that every injustice gave them inner strength to fight and uproot injustices.

in the early days...he started to change the religious axis of pakistan....

his first picture was..in front of PM house with small dog in his hand....to show people he is very moderate....

he lived in Turkey..so he fisrt declared that his most beloved personality is Kamal Attaturk...so..he wanted to transform pakistan into Turkey..and considered himself as Attaturk of Pakistan....

but thanks god...the religious masses of pakistan were so strong that...despite of his 8 years ..efforts..he could not change the pakistan into secular Turkey..and also infleunced the Army to be like Turkish Natinal Army..but he also failed in this regard...


though ..in these efforts..he made enormous losses to whole Pakistan idelogical axis..with a lot of anarchy and suicide bombings...and reactionary efforts of Lal Masjid..etc....

On Basant ..in 6 years..full time ...Baighairti...Shabab-o-Kabab mehfils..mujras..and other things...he himself was in Lahore on basant nights for 6 years..when atlast Supreme court put a complete ban on Basant....

He also tried to secularize the Army by regular basis musicaol concerts in every garrison and Abrar ..and other were invited on night dinners...there..still today....while Zia ul haq..never allowed that...


In his foolish thinking that iNdia will compromise on Kashmir..he turned whole pakistan media into indian culture..Meera going there..there singers and actors..and film stars coming here....but the Indians shown him boots on Kashmir issue..no dialogue at all...


he ordered the music classes in Punjab university..although students protested against that..but his nasha of enlightened moderation was overwhelming him...


PTV ..and other private channels are so much that sometimes they beat even indian channels in nudity and baighairti ..but no check from government at all....

these all are the fruits of this Dictator era...

These bloody .....broke the country...made pakistan..and heroin state..gave waters of 3 rivers to pakistan....and atlast..made the whole country ..in the burning fire of suicide attacks.....

these lanti...harami..generals ..consider themselves above every law..and rule and regulations.....

they have created a state within a state in pakistan....

there budget is never presented in National Assembly or Senate.....the most highest bodies of pakistan....

Nobody knows where the 60% of GDP go......

Minerva...come and look at he castle or palace of Lahore Corp Commander in Defence area...at night...1000's of bulbs glow..on his palace..who is he ...a soldier ..whose job is to defend country..but these baighairat kuttai....looted the money for thier own luxuries....

go and see ..how these Baighairat generals go in thier precious cars to have golf match in evening.....like they have conquered Kashmir.....

go and see..how these bloody general's wives...go to Cavalary..and Liberty market.. ...for shopping in offical cars....like they are queens of pakistan...bah.... lanti

in same Lahore..people have not pure water to drink..the patients are dying as they have no medicine..and these harami generals are enjoying the Pakistan money for thier badmashi...drunkards kuttai ........

for 60 years...they have made pakistan...the most corrupt...and beggar country....of the world...

these baighairat generals... ...DHA princes..and land mafia generals..are now...on the way..to eat whole Gwadar lands..in thier greed.....

These lanti generals ..consider themselves as very superior ...and call us " bloody civilians" ..lanti na ho tau......

what they have given to pakistan in 60 years..except..the kicking off the elected govermnets of 150 millions...or gallows to elected PM ..etc....

in my eyes..the only solution is...to have gallows...be constructed in Islamabad Abpara Chowk..bring all these baighairat generals ..to that..place..and sentence them to death..in front of all nation.....thats the only solution left...if we want to get rid of this cancer...

An elected leader of 15 crore people declined 5 phone calls of US President...as he knew...if he will not disobey him...2/3 majority in National Assembly against him..will kick him out from PM seat....

While this baighairat general...about which Clinton ..was not willing to shake hands with him...on eve of 11 september 2001..laid down his all weapons on his bed when he listened tothe 3rd level secretary of US ...lanat on him....

is this the respect of a nuclear and missile state....can an elected leader do that.....without taking into consideration his cabinet..NA ..Senate...and pals like Saudia..Emirates..and China etc....


just as this baihghairat Dictaor got a golden chance to "Legetamize" his millitary rule..in eyes of US and West....and for his seat...he pushed the whole pakistan..in fire and hell...of that war..which was not actually of pakistan....and accepted every thing they demanded..shame on him.....

can an elected goverment do that..it is answerable to 10's of institution..this Dictaor was not answerable to anyone....

and plz..dont give me psuedo threats of US attackilng pakistan and taking her to cave era or stone age like crap.....only dictators having no public support fear from these childish threats...not any elected government of 150 millions......

Do you not know this simple fact that newton's 3rd Law..is more applicable to our social life rather than Physics...

do you not know..what this Baighairat general did in 8 years to change the ideological islamic axis of pakistan....

nobody wants cave vesrion of jahil taliban type islam in Pakistan...but is it means that you start Sharab-o-Kabab mehfils..in every nook and corner of the country... semi nude Marathon races...the cable dish atmosphere... ..indian kanjar culture...the indo pak blend of film and drama industry...music cocerts in army areas in whole Pakistan...where these Baighairat generals...having drinks in hands....dance with the singers.....


* do you not know what is happening in pakistan in whole this dictator era....the Basant ....and mujras..and chaklas ...stage dances.....and brothels....where were they leading to pakistan....

Thjis baighairat general....asked for Imam-e-Kaaba ...last few months..when the whole country stood with CJ of Pakistan..why not he remebered to have one more Marathon Race...with logo Dor mairai Lahore.....why he invited Imam-e-Kaaba..and start giving proofs of his entering the Khana Kaaba and on his roof....

can you change the religious axis of pakistan on the name of so called Enlightened Moderation.....can people will accept all these things....


will they not react....before this Dictator..where were all talibans...when they actualy ruling in Afghanistan..there was no talbinization in whole pakistan..and when they are not actually on the scene..suddenly..this Talbinization ..reached inside Islamabad...why ???????

When you try to change the mindset of traditions..then be ready to face the music also....

Many people said said that Lal Masjid was a drama and threat of islamic millitants....

hahahah....

*do you know...the ISI HQ is about 200 or 400 yards from the Lal Mosque....

* the petrol bombs...rocket launchers...gas masks..accumulated to this mosque in invisble mode...i think.....

* the ISI personals were drinkinng daru ..and enjoying soota of powder wali cigaratte when all arms were going in.....

* is it possible that..inside heart of a capital..and adjacent to ISI HQ....the dangerous arms keep on gathering....

* The baighairat general and his bloody baihgat generals ka tola ...instteadof using IB..MI..and ISI for national security..were using them to gather funny and ridiculous....proofs of Chef Justice inside house photographs..bugging the 19 SC judges...phone tapping...and threatening them with pressures.....Lanat on them...is in UK or USA..can you think..the government can do such dirty things....


* bugging of all High Courts ..and judges housese so that they cnnot unfold..the Chor Bazari..of the government..and black mail them...lanat on all the Baighatrs general's Tola again....


*when secret agents are on phone tapping of judges...can they know..wht is happening inside the heart of capital...in a place which is already famous for tensive speeches and vogorousss elements....

*who supported Ghazi brothers for 20 years...were all armed forces were not with them...now they have become the terrorists....


* i am against their implementation ways..but what they are saying...is 100% right..do you not know..what is going on in the name of enlightened Moderation..are you so unaware of that...Aunti Shameem...regulars customers were many Federal Secreatries..and 2 Ministers....and police invited the girls to stop that..as they said ..we are helpless due to government pressure..i am aginst the way the girls raided..but its not the duty of law enforcement agencies to stop these things..tell me...

Many people said said that Lal Masjid was a drama and threat of islamic millitants....

hahahah....

*do you know...the ISI HQ is about 200 or 400 yards from the Lal Mosque....

* the petrol bombs...rocket launchers...gas masks..accumulated to this mosque in invisble mode...i think.....

* the ISI personals were drinkinng daru ..and enjoying soota of powder wali cigaratte when all arms were going in.....

* is it possible that..inside heart of a capital..and adjacent to ISI HQ....the dangerous arms keep on gathering....

* The baighairat general and his bloody baihgat generals ka tola ...instteadof using IB..MI..and ISI for national security..were using them to gather funny and ridiculous....proofs of Chef Justice inside house photographs..bugging the 19 SC judges...phone tapping...and threatening them with pressures.....Lanat on them...is in UK or USA..can you think..the government can do such dirty things....


* bugging of all High Courts ..and judges housese so that they cnnot unfold..the Chor Bazari..of the government..and black mail them...lanat on all the Baighatrs general's Tola again....


*when secret agents are on phone tapping of judges...can they know..wht is happening inside the heart of capital...in a place which is already famous for tensive speeches and vogorousss elements....

*who supported Ghazi brothers for 20 years...were all armed forces were not with them...now they have become the terrorists....


* i am against their implementation ways..but what they are saying...is 100% right..do you not know..what is going on in the name of enlightened Moderation..are you so unaware of that...Aunti Shameem...regulars customers were many Federal Secreatries..and 2 Ministers....and police invited the girls to stop that..as they said ..we are helpless due to government pressure..i am aginst the way the girls raided..but its not the duty of law enforcement agencies to stop these things..tell me...

Khadija:

Your letter is well written. I do not believe Mush has any answers. Maybe you can answer the following questions:

Jamia Hafsa and Lal Masjid had armed people and in fighting they were able to kill 13 soldiers including a Colonel. Is this normal thing in Pakistani Madrassahs and other Schools and colleges?

Certainly there must be supplies of Alcohol and call girls available in Islamabad. It is very bad indeed. But should the common people take the law in their own hands and abduct people to put them on the right path??

Is it Islamic to raid the privacy of any home or business? The ladies with sticks were shown everywhere in the World smashing video stores. In the West even police cannot raid a home without proper warrant obtained from authorities???

I can assure you that in Europe and North America, all vices of alcohol, drugs, teenage pregnancies, prostitution exist ten fold as compared to Pakistan.

Then why majority of Pakistanis want want migrate to the West which maybe the land of Sinners.

I do not know about others but let me give my reasons.

1. In the West most of the people have food, clothing and shelter.

2. Health care is provided to majority of the citizens.

3. People are given the freedom of religion and the state tries its best to safeguard the right of worship.

For me these are enough reasons.

Lastly, I also believe that peaceful resolution is always better than fighting.

#566 rf: The issues (free and fair elections for president, illegal for officer in uniform to be president, "disapperances" of pakistanis) are crystal clear. They didnt merely clash: musharraf tried to intimidate the CJ by putting on his uniform and having his 3-4 intelligence chiefs also in the room for hours trying to convince him to agree to his demand to continue as dictator. These differences have been reported in the local and world press for months. How you can say the issues are not clear is beyond me. How you can say that Musharraf's scheme for getting himself "re-elected" without calling general elections first is not short-circuiting of elections is beyond me.

As for the general's grace: he is a proven liar (and best that I can recall, the only head of state to have been called a liar in a major US newspaper, the Washington Post, editorial only last year when the paper noted that his claim that he never joked about gang rapes in his interview was disproved by the audio tape of the interview); orchestrated the outrages of May 12; lied when he came to power and claimed he would call elections soon; mocked the electoral process to get his current term by having a referendum... like I said the list is a long one. If you think this is "grace" than I dont know of anything that can be called "despicable"!!

You are obviously aware of all of the above as I am.

Re: # 565

Short circuiting elections? Why wud any supporter of democracy advocate for such an illegal act? That is an inappropriate inference.

Ass for the reasons why these two clashed is not yet clear, u r making popular assumptions that may not be true.

And give some credit to the General for showing grace where many have failed in the past.

Re: # 564 The ends do not justify the means. You cannot short-circuit proper elections regardless of how noble you consider your visions to be.

Granted the judge himself was put in position by Musharraf. So what? The issues that made the judge a hurdle to Mush's ambitions - mush's demands to make a mockery of the next elections so his stay in power is assured, and the "disappearances" of people in Pakistan where the judge demanded habeas corpus - stand by themselves. And the people of Pakistan understand these issues and have spoken out loud and clear through peaceful demonstrations.

#562 Posted by tahmed32

With regards to Mush, its nothing personal but a matter of achieving ideological objectives. Take the Mulla party for example, they have always rallied in support of any person or party that contributes even a fraction to their philosophical agenda. On this latest lal Masjid affair, all religious parties and individuals have tried to rationalize their objectives thus justifying their rebellion. How many secular, liberal parties do the same to achieve their objective? Not many and thats the sad part, if liberal forces are going to make it in Pakistan then they have to set their priorities straight and know their enemy. Musharraf maybe a military dictator but so was Zia and the mulla brigade milked him for everything possible and we have this end product in the form of state within the state.

As for your comments regarding the CJ issueing court order putting an end to Musharraf's regime, on what basis? Its the same CJ who ordained Musharraf's coup and continuation in military uniform. If the CJ allows personal feelings to interfere with his judgement then he has no right to be a judge who is supposed to be impartial.

#559 Posted by harish_hyd

Harish Sahib,

What started out as a bad decision eventually developed into a civil rights movement which no one had planned, or did they? This mistake was a blessing in disguise, had Mush not blundered, Chaudhry wud have remained an obedient CJ who wud have tumbled along till his natural exit. Once again, it was Musharraf's decision which prompted a historical civil rights movement that may prove to be a turning point in Pakistan's history.

rf786: you write We seem to share the same goals its the means that differ and that is immaterial compared to the end objective.

That is quite true I think with respect to having the same goals - a lawful society in Pakistan, free from military interference, peaceful and progressive. That can be the only goal for reasonable people in Pakistan or anywhere else for any part of the world.

With respect to the means, I think now is as good a time as any to reach for that goal, given that we have a remarkable national consensus on the independance of the Supreme Court. I say remarkable because I cant think of any occasion since 1965 when the nation has come together as one on any issue as this one - religious parties and PPP and (most important) non-party groups like lawyers and journalists shed their differences and marched peacefully together.

As for approach, I think we are saying the same thing - the end of military interference in politics. So I am not sure where the difference is, although from your post it seems you want to apply some kind of exception to Musharraf. If that is what you are saying, then indeed we have a difference in approach. If not, then I think we can both agree on the means - which is for the Chief Justice to issue a court order that puts an end to Musharraf's attempts to make a mockery of the election process in order for him to stay in power.

YLH,

October second has been named the world day of peace to honour Gandhi. The resolution was passed unanimously by the UN, even pakistan did not abstain. Even your beloved military masters do not care for your theory.

Jinnah will be remembered for creating pakistan, as long as that country lasts. Bangladeshis have forgotten about Jinnah. NWFP people hate him. The sindhis, well ask atlaf hussain.

It is only the few punjabis that have any regard for Jinnah.

#559 by harish_hyd

So he let the due process take its course, and was probably only too happy to see the CJ reinstated.

should read

So he let the process take its due course, and was probably only too happy to see the CJ reinstated.

#555 Posted by rf786

By acknowledging and honoring the Supreme Judicial Councils decision, Musharraf and his Govt have also shown grace that needs to be recognized.

Arif bhai, my understanding is that actually Mushy did want to back out of the whole thing when it got out of hand (the extraordinary protests by the lawyers and the overwhelming support of the public), but realized that by backtracking, his image of a no nonsense, tough talking commando would take a severe beating. So he let the due process take its course, and was probably only too happy to see the CJ reinstated. For now, the CJ is the lesser evil compared to the Mullahs who're baying for his blood.

#555 by rf786

#555 Posted by rf786

By acknowledging and honoring the Supreme Judicial Councils decision, Musharraf and his Govt have also shown grace that needs to be recognized.

Arif bhai, my understanding is that actually Mushy did want to back out of the whole thing when it got out of hand (the extraordinary protests by the lawyers and the overwhelming support of the public), but realized that by backtracking, his image of a no nonsense, tough talking commando would take a severe beating. So he let the due process take its course, and was probably only too happy to see the CJ reinstated. For now, the CJ is the lesser evil compared to the Mullahs who're baying for his blood.

Re: # 556

tahmed32

I will totally agree with you that the MILITARY has no role in running the country. Its not just Musharraf or some other General who keep on interfering with our lives, its the military establishment that needs to be restrained and removed from the political process. By targeting an individual we are making room for another tinpot to take his place, emphasis sud be on a structural change and that wud require Pakistans biggest political party ie Pak Military's consent OR we sud be willing to wage a war of confrontation which ofcourse is not a wise choice.

We seem to share the same goals its the means that differ and that is immaterial compared to the end objective.

Regards

Arif

rf786 #555 I will agree with you to the extent that the Musharraf government is not totally stupid like the lal masjid maulvis, and can read the writing on the wall. It knows that further confrontation with the Supreme Court, backed by massive popular support, is futile. It is futile because even Musharraf cannot order soldiers to start attacking peaceful demonstrators. And all that Musharraf has done is try to avoid a replay of the fall of Ayub Khan. So it is not grace, but "enlightened self-preservation", that characterizes the Musharraf governments acceptance of the Supreme Court decision.

Taking into account all of the facts is not being emotional. It is rather an attempt at having as sound a basis for one's views as possible: And the fact is that Musharraf has to answer for the "disappearances". His sabotage, in coordination with mqm on May 12, of the peaceful demonstrations in Karachi - at a cost of 42 lives. His attempts to prolong his autocratic rule by another 5 years by making a mockery of the election process. The list is a long one. And even as you talk of "grace", he sits as an autocrat, shamelessly sticking to his demand to continue for the next 5 years.

Military interference in Pakistan politics must come to an end. Pakistan is too mature a country to be ruled by tinpot dictators any more. Musharraf has done enough damage to the nation.

#552 Posted by tahmed32

By acknowledging and honoring the Supreme Judicial Councils decision, Musharraf and his Govt have also shown grace that needs to be recognized. There was no Sultan Rahi attack on the Supreme court, no emergency, no changing of Judges nor was their any after the fact refusal to accept the verdit. All of the above have happened in Pakistan by elected and non-elected representatives.

Do not forget, it was the same gentleman who in his official duties as the CJP has endorsed Musharrafs on more than one occassion, so what makes u so sure he will not do the same?

When u confuse personal feelings with what is reasonable argument then comments made are immaterial and show emotions of disgust. Pakistan needs a strong civil society and rulers who are supportive of judicial process. Mistakes are made by the best, what is important is the acknowledgment and correction of these mistakes, Musharraf and Co have absolved themselves to a certain extent by showing respect of the judicial decision.

#553 Posted by nasah

nasah ji....welcome back. kahan ghayaab ho jatain hain hazoor???

"We want you to take positions and then stick to them." (author)

hope you are not talking about Mr. Musharraf's 'easy' acceptance of the Supreme Court verdict. People are glad that Mr. Musharraf did not stick with his original silly position.

Re: # 551 I am glad we agree on the respect the Pakistani people have earned through their brave yet peaceful demonstrations in support of the rule of law.

Obviously either I did not make the point sufficiently clear, or else you deliberately chose to downplay it by calling it immaterial. So let me try to make it as clear as I can:

Even Musharraf, through his actions (attempted bullying of the CJ followed by attempted sacking of the CJ), has made it clear that the issue I drew your attention to (free and fair elections) was in fact a material issue.

And with this verdict, there is every reason to believe that either Musharraf will have to back down now on this issue, thus effectively ending his 9 year rule. The CJ certainly has no reason to permit Musharraf to continue as a supra-constitutional autocrat, and Musharraf's attempts to bully him have already failed. The only real option left for Musharraf if he insists on trying to cling to power is to unleash the full force of the military to protect himself: in which case all bets are off. Whatever the coutcome, one thing is for sure - the issue I raised is not exactly immaterial!!

btw, I dont see what prompts you to say I am "frustrated and disgusted" on what I consider to be perhaps the greatest day in Pakistan's history. Rest assured I am very pleased with the outcome.

#550tahmed32

Ordinary Pakistanis when given the choice have shown tremendous fortitude and desire for moderation, this human quality is pervasive throughout Pakistan like other nations.

As for our comments regarding Mush and his padres, there is nothing material in your comments except for frustration and disgust, that is your prerogative.

rf #532 The real Letter to President Musharraf was delivered yesterday by the Supreme Court. This is indeed a great day for all.

I beg to differ that the (attempted) sacking of the CJ was merely "ill-advised". Musharraf (as his son said in his Chowk article when Musharraf took over) had no choice. He could either sack the CJ and declare himself elected per his mockery of the electoral process, or submit to the law and permit free and fair election.

As for civil society - Ordinary Pakistanis have proved they are more enlightened than this self-proclaimed "enlightened moderate" and his ghoonda fascist supporters from mqm and his puppet islamic fascists. Sic Semper Tyrannis!!

Re: # 526My point was that there is a much greater link of Gandhi to Moplahs and indeed Jamia Hafsa ... than the two nation theory that Jayp wants to malign and has even taken to inventing quotes... you know could care less to bring them together but if someone can so illogically argue and try to link the Islamo-fascist tendencies in a small minority of Muslims to our legtimate stance for Pakistan... then one should point out the obvious links between Gandhi and true Islamic fundamentalist and terrorist movements of South Asia... I do not wish to dwell Gandhi honestly but if this line of argument is taken... should I not point out the facts?


Achyuth Patwardhan, one of the Socialist stalwarts in the Congress, has given a remarkably candid and self critical analysis of the Congress Party vis-a-vis Khilafat: ’It is, however, useful to recognise our share of this error of misdirection. To begin with, I am convinced that looking back upon the course of development of the freedom movement, THE ’HIMALAYAN ERROR’ of Gandhiji’s leadership was the support he extended on behalf of the Congress and the Indian people to the Khilafat Movement at the end of the World War I. This has proved to be a disastrous error which has brought in its wake a series of harmful consequences. On merits, it was a thoroughly reactionary step. The Khilafat was totally unworthy of support of the Progressive Muslims. Kemel Pasha established this solid fact by abolition of the Khilafat. The abolition of the Khilafat was widely welcomed by enlightened Muslim opinion the world over and Kemel was an undoubted hero of all young Muslims straining against Imperialist domination. But apart from the fact that Khilafat was an unworthy reactionary cause, Mahatma Gandhi had to align himself with a sectarian revivalist Muslim Leadership of clerics and maulvis. He was thus unwittingly responsible for jettisoning sane, secular, modernist leadership among the Muslims of India and foisting upon the Indian Muslims a theocratic orthodoxy of the Maulvis. Maulana Mohammed Ali’s speeches read today appear strangely incoherent and out of tune with the spirit of secular political freedom. The Congress Movement which released the forces of religious liberalism and reform among the Hindus, and evoked a rational scientific outlook, placed the Muslims of India under the spell of orthodoxy and religious superstition by their support to the Khilafat leadership. Rationalist leaders like Jinnah were rebuffed by this attitude of Congress and Gandhi. This is the background of the psychological rift between Congress and the Muslim League’.

and

’Since the Khilafat agitation, things have changed and it has been one of the many injuries inflicted on India by the encouragement of the Khilafat crusade, that the inner Muslim feeling of hatred against ’unbelievers’ has sprung up, naked and unashamed, as in years gone by’.

and

A terrible and gruesome fallout of the disastrous Khilafat experiment of Mahatma Gandhi was the Moplah Rebellion in Malabar District in 1921. According to the Report of the ENQUIRY COMMITTEE OF SERVANTS OF INDIA SOCIETY, the number of Hindus murdered by Moplah Muslims was 1500, the number of Hindus forcibly converted 20,000 and the value of property looted about Rs three crore. When the national and local leaders appealed to the virulently anti-Hindu Moplah Muslims in the name of Mahatma Gandhi to follow the ways of peace and non-violence, they replied bluntly with Islamic fervour: ’GANDHI IS A KAFIR, HOW CAN HE BE OUR LEADER?’ Dr Anne Besant declared: ’The Moplah Muslim marauders murdered and plundered abundantly, killed or drove away all Hindus who would not apostatize. Somewhere about 100,000 people were driven from their homes with nothing but the clothes they had on, stripped of everything’. She also accused all the Khilafat religious preachers for all this terrible atrocities. J Campbell, chief of the Intelligence Department, Government of India, held the Khilafat leaders squarely responsible for inciting racial hatred resulting in Moplah carnage.

http://www.newstodaynet.com/2006sud/06aug/2208ss1.htm

Mahatma Gandhi’s attempt to harness the feeling for the cause of national independence backfired and led to the uprising in Kerala known as the Moplah Rebellion. It took the British several months to put it down at the cost of thousands of lives.



Moplahs were very much part of the grand Khilafat Movement that Gandhi was spearheading and Gandhi kept apologising for them


The Dravidian Moplahs had directed their revolt with class venom against some Aryan high-caste Hindus with property as well as Britishers: Brahmanical elements tried to use that to spark a crisis in Hindu-Muslim relations all over India. Gandhi tried to hold a balance: like the U.S. press and the Negro nationalists who read it he stressed that the Moplah uprising could be made part of a united drive for independence by Indians of all sects.But he was also aware of the pan-Islamic dimension: in a December 1921 call to the British to suspend their attacks against the Moplahs, he was to observe that the Moplahs saw themselves as fighting for a religion with methods they considered religious: Yogesh Chadha, Rediscovering Gandhi (London: Century 1997) p. 254.


And lets not forget the Tehreek-e-Hijrat Fatwa that Gandhi’s right hand man Azad gave to Muslims which gave Muslims two options "JEHAD" or "HIJRAT".

The Muslim Ulema, thinkers and activists called for the boycott of foreign goods and non-cooperation with the British government. Meetings were organised in order to rally the masses to support these issues. The meetings were organised under the banner of Mo’tamar al-Ansar (The Workers Conference) and various newspapers such as Al-Hilal of Maualana Abul Kalam Azad and The Comrade of Maulana Mohammad Ali Jauhar. Both Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad and Maulana Maulana Mohammad Ali Jauhar were put behind bars for publishing anti-British articles in their newspapers. The latter spent four years in prison between 1911 and 1915CE.


The allegiance of the Muslim intelligentsia of India at that to the Khilafah is unquestionable. Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad summed up their view when he wrote in his newspaper al-Hilal on 6th November 1912 that the Ottoman Sultans possessed the only sword which Muslims had for their protection. Insofar as the “caliphate was essentially a religious integration of the shari’a�, it became “necessary by revelation, is of God’s institution and that obedience to its authority is farz, or positively commanded�.


The Khilafat Movement


In September 1919, Maulana Muhammad Ali and his brother Shaukat Ali, together with Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad, Dr. Mukhtar Ahmed Ansari, and Hasrat Mohani, started a new organization, the Khilafat Movement (1919-1924). Their avowed aim was to use whatever leverage they had to protect the Khilafah. They organized Khilafat Conferences in several northern Indian cities. It is noticeable that the scholars and activists that were part of the Khilafat movement came from different schools of thought and backgrounds, for example Maulana Abul Kalam Azad was known to be a ‘ghayr taqleedi’ (non-taqleedi – who believed Taqleed to Mazahib is prohibited) and Maulana Mahmood Hasan was Deobandi who are followers of the Hanafi Mazhab yet they were united in the objective of working for the maintenance of the Khilafah.


In 1919, the Bombay Khilafat Committee agreed on two important organisational goals: “first, to urge the retention of the temporal powers of the Sultan of Turkey as Caliph, and second to ensure his continued suzerainty over the Islamic holy places.�

Delivering the presidential address at the Calcutta meeting of the Bengal Provincial Khilafat Conference in 1920, Maulana Azad discussed the importance of Khilafah he declared, “the purpose of this institution was to organise and lead the Muslim community in the right path, to establish justice, to bring about peace, and to spread God’s word in the world. For all this it was absolutely necessary for the caliph to possess temporal power�. Maulana Azad had no doubt that “without an Imam, their lives were un-Islamic and that they would be damned after death�.


Maulana Azad published a book in 1920 called Masla-e-Khilafat (The Issue of Khilafah), he stated: “Without the Khilafah the existence of Islam is not possible, the Muslims of India with all their effort and power need to work for this�.

In the same book page 176 Maulana Azad said, “There are two types of ahkam shariah, the first is related to the individual like the commands and prohibitions, the fara’id (obligations) and wajibat in order to perfect oneself. The second is not related to the individual but is related to the Ummah, nation, collective obligations and state politics like the conquering of lands, political and economic laws�.

According to Peter Hardy, Maulana Azad believed that, “The Muslim who would separate religion and politics for Muslims is an apostate who works silently�.


The loss of political power in India and the threat posed by a combination of forces to the temporal authority of the caliph, was so worrisome for the leaders of the Muslim community that some of them felt compelled to issue fatwas ‘in favour of migration (hijra)’ from India.


Maulana Abul Kalam Azad issued a fatwa which was published in the daily Ahl-e-Hadith of Amritsar on 30 July 1920. In his fatwa he urged Hijrat from India as an alternative to non-cooperation with the British. (YLH’s note: Was the Hijaz Born Azad a "Wahabi"... note "Ahle-Hadith)

Maulana Abdul Bari’s fatwa said, “every Muslim residing here should adopt non-cooperation but if (that is) impossible, should proceed for hijrat�. Maulana Shaukat Ali issued a statement on behalf of the Central Khilafat Committee, “expressing the hope that all dedicated Muslims would stay in India and work for the non-cooperation. Only if it did not succeed would they consider resorting to hijrat�. The impact of the fatwa was electrifying and thousands of Muslims preferred to leave the Dar al harb of India where their religious rights symbolized in the position of the Turkish Caliph was being infringed.


And most amazing was the fact that Gandhi’s encouragement led to Deobandi ulema creating the Jamiat ulema Hind ... which in its numerous forms and heads plagues South Asia even today... and all these groups are spin offs of the same.

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Re: # 468

JayP means Gandhi ... Gandhi the racist casteist Hindu fascist bigot ... who was responsible for more misery in the subcontinent than anyone else.

You may try and distort history all you want... but the facts are that it was Mohandas Gandhi who encouraged religious bigots of all kinds... it was Mohandas Gandhi who encouraged Deobandis into Politics...

And it was MOHANDAS GANDHI on whose ORDERS these VERY MULLAHS abused Jinnah and Pakistan as "KAFIR-e-Azam" and "KAFIRISTAN" during the Pakistan Movement.

"Thus GANDHI THE HINDU FASCIST GAVE BIRTH TO A NEW KIND OF ISLAM.... a new version of islam called GANDHI version has taken root in that country. Sadly Jinnah’s progressive principles were ignored and a total givernment suppoprt for this GANDHI islam based on the MULLAHISM. The crowining achievemnt that brought it to worlds attention is the demolition of Bhumian Budhas. These statues survived more than 2000 years, through all of the muslim invaders. The hatred for other religions, the core of the GANDHIAN ISLAM, and transmitted to the students of Pak schools resilted in the demolition of the statues."


The only thing "Jihadic" tendencies of the Deobandis can be traced back to subcontinent’s first true terrorist, the racist casteist hindu fascist Bigot Gandhi who encouraged and brought Mullahs into politics... Think about it... was it not then that the Moplahs rose up and attacked Hindus in South India? TNT and Pakistan was no where in sight then. It was thus this Gandhian doctrine of using religion into politics that started the hatred between communities - as warned by not just Jinnah but Motilal Nehru, CR Das and even Tilak- himself a pious Hindu.

Since one sees Moplah uprising the the first of its kind in terms of "Islamic terrorism" in the 20th century ... one can easily trace back Islamic terrorism to Gandhiji. So atleast give credit where its due ... my boy.

Speaking about Muslim nationhood which merely envisaged a consociationalist solution to India like an ignorant fool that you are... will only delay the process of understanding this communal hatred which still plagues your "secular" India... in a way that it does not plague Pakistan. So go back to the source... it is the evil and poisonous Gandhian ideology that is to blame for communal dischord in South Asia... and as long as Gandhian ideology is hailed and praised, and not buried... India will continue to be plagued with communal violence of the kind that broke out in Ahmedabad.

-YLH

Re: # 476

Again you mean Gandhi-Islamists my friend... Gandhi was the father of all religious fascism ... lets not forget.

Abusing Jinnah for something that he opposed ... and exonerating the Racist Casteist Hindu fascist Bigot Gandhi who was responsible for religious bigotry in the first place is a cheap trick.

Re: # 522

Oh come now Jayp...

Surely You mean GANDHI-Islam... for I must have proved million times that it was Gandhi who brought these Mullahs into politics against all counsel from Jinnah.

Abusing Jinnah TNT Pakistan etc for Gandhi's creation is rather funny if you ask me.

#532 Posted by tahmed32

Dear tahmed32

Every step in direction of strengthening civil society is a step in the right direction. Victory for the CJ is a victory for civil society, there is no ambiguity about that and this is a day to celebrate, congratulations.

Just one caveat, Musharraf was ill-advised when he moved against the CJ, that was a blunder because Musharraf's secular Govt strength lies with civil society empowered by independent judiciary. Now that judiciary has regained its suspended independence, people of Pakistan can once again have hope for justice.

mohar mian,

..... i thought you were kidding about the burqini, but here it is ! ...... you have to admit that all fat women who might be mistaken for beached whales should be forced to wear it ...... who said nothing good ever came out of islam ! (please notice that it is designed to accomodate a medium sized suicide belt)

#530 Posted by Ranjit

Agree... but I don't think india can do much... the so called "secular elements" in pakiland are more anti-india and filled with anti-hindu big0try than the even the mullahs... so as far as India is concerned - there is no such beast called "secular" paki... you can see that here in chowk itself...

So while your intentions are good, it's still not a workable proposal...

Besides - islamisation and talibanisation of muslim nations is inevitable - it's bound to happen - there ain't nothing america, india or china can do about it... In the only secular muslim country like turkey - islamics are gaining ground - there are now mushrooming "islamic resorts" where women wear "burqini" [ a burqa-bikini, imagine that ] and swim in segreggated swimming pools... the coming election there is predicted to be a big victory for them...

Malayasia - the other "moderate" muslim country - the deputy PM describes his country as an "islamic state"... they now have islamic vice squads, islmisation is spreading fast...

If these countries with established secular credentials and origins are falling fast into islamic abyss - what chance does pakiland have - which has been in islamic clutch right from the start - which was founded in name of islam?...

Alright - pakis, you have made history... congrats on pulling one on Mushy :)

chennai i think you are missing a big point here. Nearly everyone secular/fundo alike in pakistan is celebrating the victory of a powerful nonviolent return of independant judiciary. It matters shit all what Bush knows since Bush knows nothing.

chennai i think you are missing a big point here. Nearly everyone secular/fundo alike in pakistan is celebrating the victory of a powerful nonviolent return of independant judiciary. It matters shit all what Bush knows since Bush knows nothing.

#534 Posted by philosopher

here we go again..pakis deluding themselves on some "victory"....Does Bushy the Bright know who this chaudry dude is.....and does he even want to know.......

Is this "victory" going to change the US intervention in Pakistan or speed up the process.....

U need to answer these........

#534 Posted by philosopher

here we go again..pakis deluding themselves on some "victory"....Does Bushy the Bright know who this chaudry dude is.....and does he even want to know.......

Is this "victory" going to change the US intervention in Pakistan or speed up the process.....

U need to answer these........

#534 Posted by philosopher

here we go again..pakis deluding themselves on some "victory"....Does Bushy the Bright know who this chaudry dude is.....and does he even want to know.......

Is this "victory" going to change the US intervention in Pakistan or speed up the process.....

#534 Posted by philosopher

here we go again..pakis deluding themselves on some "victory"....Does Bushy the Bright know who this chaudry dude is.....and does he even want to know.......

Is this "victory" going to change the US intervention in Pakistan or speed up the process.....

#534 Posted by philosopher

here we go again..pakis deluding themselves on some "victory"....Does Bushy the Bright know who this chaudry dude is.....and does he even want to know.......

Is this "victory" going to change the US intervention in Pakistan or speed up the process.....

Mushyoons are screwed...

congrats muslimoon


Pakistan Chief Justice reinstated as SC gives historic decision
ISLAMABAD: A 13-member full court of the Supreme Court on Friday gave historic verdict to reinstate Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry and quashed misconduct charges filed against him by President Pervez Musharraf.

The announcement sparked massive celebrations by lawyers who had spent the day waiting outside the court for the verdict.

Chaudhry was suspended in March, following allegations that he abused his position, notably to obtain a top police job for his son and other privileges for himself.

"The reference of the president dated March 9, 2007 is set aside," presiding judge Khalil-ur-Rehman Ramday told the court, announcing the panel of judges had reached a 10-3 decision in Chaudhry's favour after a 43-day hearing.

"As a further consequence, the petitioner, the Chief Justice of Pakistan, shall be deemed to be holding the said office and shall always be deemed to have been so holding the same," he said.

The Supreme Court started hearing of an appeal of Chief Justice of Pakistan Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry against his suspension by President Gen. Pervez Musharraf on April 18.

Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry had challenged Musharraf's decision to suspend him and he was under trial for alleged misconduct.

The lead counsel for the chief justice Chaudhry Aitzaz Ahsan had filed a petition against presidential reference under article 184-III of constitution.

Aitzaz Ahsan had completed his arguments during the hearing today after which head of a 13-member full court bench of Supreme Court Justice Khalilur Rahman Ramday announced the brief verdict.

On this occasion, special security arrangements were made outside the Supreme Court by posting heavy contingents of police.

Meanwhile, Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz said the government accepted the Supreme Court's decision to reinstate the country's top judge but added it was "not the time to claim victory or defeat."

"I have just learnt of the Supreme Court decision. I have always maintained that the decision by the honourable court must be accepted by all sections of the people including the government itself," Aziz said in a statement.

"This is not the time to claim victory or defeat. The constitution and the law have prevailed and must prevail at all times," he added.

ranjit,

"We need to immediately setup an alliance with the US and the secular elements of Pak army and Pak society. The secular elements should be given full support both materially and logistically to crush the islamists."

..... great idea ! ...... you can start by sending a hundred dollars to my paypal account .....

... thank you for your support

rf: the solution to mullah lawlessness is - surprise! - law and order. Not musharraf or some general taking on airs of being the "centralized power" in Pakistan (as Mush was calling for yesterday in his continued efforts to cling to power).

And law and order means, doing police investigative work to find those responsible for bombings and bringing them to court as murderers. For finding those responsible for attacking peaceful protesters (as on May 12) and bringing them to court.

And the tossing out of all charges by mush as being unconstitional by the Supreme Court by overwhelming majority is a giant step in the right direction. And the credit for this goes to all Pakistanis who are struggling peacefully and bravely against gun-toting mullahs and ambitious two-bit generals.

Re: # 530 Posted by Ranjit:

It is only a matter of when & how the US is going to intervene in Pakistan and not "if".

That being the case India should sit tight and not get involved in what appears to be a battle of Islamic ideology.

Guys, I know it is very tempting for us Indians to enjoy the sight of violence and chaos in Pakistan. However, lets take a calm and sober look at what is going on next door. Pakistan is slowly degnerating into a civil war between Islamists and Secularists along the lines of what happened in Algeria and to some extent in Egypt. The outcome of this conflict can have serious consequences, not just for Pakistan but also for India. There is no guarantee that the Secularists (represented by the army) will win here. For all practical purposes, the NWFP and Baluchistan provinces are pretty much uncontrollable by Islamabad. There are certainly strong sections in the Pak army and the security establishment that favors the Islamists. Therefore, there is a real chance of a fracture in the Pak army as well along the same lines that Pak society is fracturing.

In the worst case scenario, we could see a Islamist general overthrowing Mushy and adopting a completely pro-Taliban ideology. While a majority of Pakistanis may not support that, they are too weak to stand up to the Islamists, especially if the army switches allegiance. That would lead to Pakistan becoming a Sunni clone of Iran and the US may be booted out of the region. In an even bleaker scenario, the army could fall apart by splitting between generals who are islamists vs generals who are secular. That would lead to pro-Taliban elements aligned with one section of the army fighting an opposing section of the army that would have US support. Now throw the control of nukes into all this and you have the perfect storm scenario developing here.

I think it is time for India to wake up and have a serious discussion with the US about what to do about Pakistan and the way it is headed. In any such scenario above, it will lead to doomsday for India as well. A rogue Islamist general with nukes will not hesitate to reduce North India to the stone age even as Pakistan gets wiped out in exchange. We need to immediately setup an alliance with the US and the secular elements of Pak army and Pak society. The secular elements should be given full support both materially and logistically to crush the islamists. They must be encouraged to use the most brutal tactics possible to wipe out the Islamists without raising bogeys about human rights and so forth.

We need to learn from history. A thousand years back when Islamists were attacking the Northwest of India, the rest of North India was watching a tamasha from the sidelines. As a result, the entire Northwest became muslim and North India also got conquered under imperial muslim rule. We must not let that history repeat itself by watching the events in Pakistan as a tamasha for our entertainment.

Noose is getting tighter and tighter for the fascists mulla brigade, every suicide bombing, attack on civil society brings their fate ever so closer to their end. To claim otherwise is delusional and will not change anything.

Like I have said b4, If Mush cannot do the job then someother General will have to do it, and if there is no general willing, then Uncle Sam is itching to pull the plug. Now we also have our dear friend the Chinese breathing down our necks, that cud mean only one thing, International forces have decided enuff is enuff and Pakistani establishment has no choice but to eliminate these cells of terrorism or face extinction.

For the chutya mulla supporters, is'nt one Afghanistan enuff, do they want another fkng qabristaan in Pakistan? I guess, for these egomaniacs its their way or no way, so I say let them be decimated for the good of peace loving majority.

Well, It looks like curtains for Mushy the Mighty Warrior of Muslims.......

By Vali Nasr
Fri Jul 20, 4:00 AM ET

Washington - The National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) released this week paints a bleak picture of Al Qaeda's renewed strength and determination to attack America. And a major part of the blame, US officials charge, lies with someone President Bush has described as a critical ally in the war on terror: Pakistani President General Pervez Musharraf.

Since 9/11, Washington has looked to President Musharraf to uproot Islamic extremism in South Asia. Nearly six years later, however, Pakistan is still a nuclear-armed crucible of jihadi culture, exporting terrorists and destabilizing its neighbors.

For too long, Washington has coddled the Pakistani general, turned a blind eye to his crushing of democracy, and read too much into his pro-West rhetoric. The US must change course. And there are signs it's about to. "There's no doubt that more aggressive steps need to be taken," White House spokesman Tony Snow said.

After almost a decade under Mush-arraf's rule, Pakistan hasn't changed much. He has initiated reforms and revamped the economy. But where he was expected to do most, fighting Islamic extremism, Pakistan's record is most disappointing.

Al Qaeda and the Taliban use Pakistani soil as a haven and training ground. Recent deals between the government and Pashtun tribes have in effect ceded the border region between Afghanistan and Pakistan to the Taliban and their Al Qaeda allies. A big reason Al Qaeda's influence is growing, according to the NIE, is the operational capability it enjoys in Pakistan.

Musharraf speaks of "enlightened moderation," but he has done more to pulverize secular democratic parties than contain Islamist ones. It was his electoral rules that helped Islamist parties win their largest parliamentary representation ever in 2002, marginalizing the larger secular parties that threatened him.

Islamabad is happy to nab foreign jihadis when pressured by the West or ban extremist groups that get out of hand, but it has been reluctant to uproot the infrastructure of extremism.

Extremist groups proliferate and operate in the open. Musharraf finds them useful in convincing Washington and Pakistan's middle classes that the military is all that protects the country from a Taliban-like Islamic state.

It is not a coincidence that the government's recent battle against extremists associated with the Red Mosque came on the heels of nationwide antigovernment protests following Musharraf's summary dismissal of the country's chief justice. Musharraf hopes that the crisis will persuade secular-minded Pakistanis to abandon the barricades and align behind him.

The government was fully aware of what went on in the Red Mosque, just a mile from the powerful Inter-Services Intelligence headquarters. Yet Musharraf chose to ignore the extremists between January and June, even as they sought to impose Islamic law on the capital city. It was not until he sensed public anger at his dithering, and confronted a diplomatic crisis when the extremists abducted Chinese nationals, that he stormed the mosque.

Frustrated with developments in Pakistan, many in Washington look to elections and a civilian government for solutions. Democracy should be wel-comed, but it will change little. The last time there was a transfer of power to a civilian government, in 1988, the military still chose the foreign minister and informed the prime minister that it would control the nuclear program, intelligence, security, and policies toward Afghanistan and India. This time, too, the military will continue to call the shots – especially when it comes to Afghanistan.

Without Pakistani cooperation, NATO and the US will have to substantially increase their commitments to contain the Taliban. That cooperation will not be forthcoming until the US addresses Pakistani interests. Afghanistan has always been a strategic concern for Islamabad. Pashtuns make up 40 percent of Afghanistan, but there are more Pashtuns in Pakistan, where they constitute 15 percent of the population. Afghanistan has never recognized the border (Durand line) between the two countries, and for most of Pakistan's existence, Pashtuns in control of an independent Afghan state have been allied with India and laid irredentist claims to Pakistan's Pashtun Northwest Province.

It was only when Pakistani-backed Afghan mujahideen or the Taliban ruled Kabul that Pakistan felt secure in its relations with Afghanistan. Pakistani generals counted on the "strategic depth" that their neighbor to the northwest would provide in a war against India.

These days, they see Afghanistan as an adversary. They are irked by Afghan President Hamid Karzai's strong ties to Delhi and the mushrooming of Indian consulates across Afghanistan. The territory that they "owned" until 9/11, thanks to the Taliban, is now at best neutral and at worst the playground of their arch rival, India. Pakistan does not view Afghanistan through the prism of the war on terror, but in the context of its own vulnerabilities in the competition for power and influence with India. That's why Islamabad has everything to gain by playing the Taliban card, giving its fighters and their Al Qaeda allies a lair in Pakistan's border region, to keep Kabul weak and southern Afghanistan free of Indian influence.

In dealing with Pakistan, Washington has preferred to see the logic of the war on terror as self-evident, not recognizing that even close allies will not cooperate if it does not serve their interests. It is only by addressing Pakistan's interests that Washington can secure greater cooperation from Islamabad.

Washington cannot give Pakistan the sphere of influence in southern Afghanistan that it desires to make sure it will not be encircled by India. However, Washington can give Pakistan greater interest in Afghanistan's stability than it has now by encouraging Kabul to include Pakistan's allies and clients in government; and more important, to finally recognize its international border with Pakistan.

Tiger Aziz,

A new hero is born in pakistan, the fire brand jihad preaching mullah tried to escape in a burka and in the great pakistani tradition, he has been called the Tiger Aziz. That is the title given to general Niazi for surrendering 90,000 pakistani troops.

Zeemax, please post the picture of Tiger Azix being arrested, you can see a wet burka at the same place that you have identified for the indian soldier.

For a long time the Tiger Aziz will be worshipped in the madrassas of pakistan.

A great pak hero

burka mulla options

Pakistanis are ashamed of the burka mulla, but here are a few ways to make it into a success

1. Auction the burka at Christies. This will be the first time in history a jihad preaching mullah tried to save his life. This event in at par with the demolition of bhumian buddahas by jinnah-islamists. The burka is more than likely to be purchased by the British museum.

2. Create new line of escape burkas. These could be in military fatigue to make the escape easier.

3. Create a new line of mullah burkas, all in dark black, with a cut out to show the beard so that the people know that it is a mulla in burka.

All of the above can show that the land of TNt is setting new trends in islamic fashion.

Today's Bomb Blast.....A Bomb A Day Makes a Pakis day...

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - A suicide car bomber rammed a paramilitary checkpost killing four people in Pakistan's North Waziristan tribal region on Friday, the latest attack in a wave of violence sweeping the country in recent weeks.

"Four people including a paramilitary soldier and three civilians have been killed," a security official told Reuters.

Six people, including three civilians, were wounded, he added.

A wave of bomb attacks has swept across Pakistan, killing more than 180 people, since the army's siege and assault earlier this month on the Lal Masjid or Red Mosque complex, a militant stronghold in the capital, Islamabad.

While militants are believed to be avenging the mosque assault, pro-Taliban fighters have abandoned a peace pact in North Waziristan, adding to concern over a deteriorating security situation in the volatile northwest.

Reactions from All Weather Friend...With second thoughts....

July 20, 2007
CHINA has condemned a suicide bomb attack in Pakistan that targeted a convoy of Chinese workers and left at least 27 Pakistanis dead.

"China strongly condemns the terror attack (in Pakistan) and expresses its grief over those killed and offers its condolences to their relatives and to those injured," the foreign ministry said in a short statement today.

The attack was a reminder for China of the harsh realities of becoming a global power.

In Pakistan's southwestern industrial town of Hub, a suicide car bomber last night blew himself up as a convoy of Chinese citizens and security forces passed by, killing at least 30 Pakistanis but no Chinese nationals.

Police who were guarding the Chinese convoy were among those killed, according to authorities in Pakistan who said the bombing was a suicide attack.

The attack comes as Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf, under fire from multiple suicide bombers, pressured by the White House and facing a key court ruling, was today set for one of the toughest days of his eight-year rule.

A wave of suicide attacks sparked by an army raid General Musharraf ordered on a pro-Taliban mosque last week reached a new, bloody peak yesterday, claiming 51 lives and bringing the death toll from the backlash of violence to almost 200.

Apart from the Chinese convoy bombing, there were two other attacks - bombers targeted an army mosque and a police college.

Hardline mullahs today, the Islamic day of prayer, were set to call for the downfall of the US-backed military ruler a week after protesters enraged by the Red Mosque raid burnt him in effigy, along with a puppet of Uncle Sam.

But while General Musharraf has repeatedly vowed to step up the hunt on militants in the country's lawless Afghan border regions, the United States has challenged him to do more - and threatened to go it alone if he doesn't.

Analysts and officials in Pakistan say that Islamic and tribal militants are attacking Chinese in order to harm Islamabad's relations with China, its powerful ally and biggest military supplier.

Yesterday's attack came two weeks after China demanded better protection for its citizens in Pakistan following the killing of three Chinese men in the northwestern city of Peshawar by suspected Islamic militants.

In February last year, three Chinese engineers working for a cement plant were gunned down in Baluchistan, the same province as where yesterday's attack occurred.

The attacks will come as a stark reminder to Beijing of the risks inherent in China’s bolder approach to the extension of its interests and influence beyond its borders, particularly in Asia and Africa. More than 4 million Chinese now work overseas.

Pakistani security forces have stepped up protection for the 3000 Chinese working on development projects across the country since the siege and assault on Islamabad’s radical Red Mosque.

The violent end to the siege was triggered by the kidnapping of a group of Chinese women by women students from a seminary linked to the Red Mosque. Leaders of the mosque, who modelled themselves on the Taliban, accused the six Chinese of working as prostitutes in a massage parlour.

Pakistan traditionally has enjoyed close ties with China. However, relations were strained when members of the Muslim separatist movement in the Chinese provinces of Xinjiang and Uighur sought refuge in Pakistan’s tribal region after fleeing from Afghanistan in 2001. They became closely linked to Pakistan’s radical Islamists.

Islamic militants loyal to al-Qa'ida swore revenge after Pakistan handed over to China a number of senior Muslim leaders captured in Kashmir in 2002.

They included Ismail Kadir, the Uighur leader who has led a violent struggle to set up an independent East Turkestan state in predominantly Muslim Xinjiang, which borders Pakistan, Afghanistan and restive Central Asian states. In January 2004 China drew up a list of militants linked to al-Qaeda who operated within Pakistan’s tribal areas. Many are believed to have been killed in Pakistani military operations in Waziristan.

China says that its role overseas is to promote neighbourliness and understanding, in countries as diverse as Angola and Antigua. However, the main beneficiaries of China’s overseas investment are poorer nations, such as Sudan, that are rich in the natural resources China needs.
There is a growing sense of unease in countries that are beneficiaries of China’s overseas investment about what many perceive as a new form of colonialism.

China wants its Third World friends to act in accordance with the spirit of the struggle against colonialism and hegemony, but has difficulty grasping the idea that increasing numbers of people believe that it lacks sincerity.

The antagonism ranges from rage felt by Islamic radicals in Pakistan over China’s policies to suppress pro-independence Muslim movements, to resentment among small merchants and tribesmen in Kenya who see their jobs and businesses being taken over by Chinese contractors.

Ahmed Rashid, a political analyst in Pakistan, said that anger was simmering over perceptions that the Chinese were stealing their livelihoods. “The Baluch feel that all the contracts are going to Chinese and they use only their own labour,� he said. Chinese contractors bring in many of their own engineers and labour.

They live in tight-knit communities that operate in a virtual vacuum inside whichever country they have been assigned. That breeds resentment among locals who fear for their livelihoods and are suspicious of outsiders.

In April nine Chinese workers and 65 Ethiopians were killed when guerrillas attacked an oil installation near the Somali border. Rebels abducted a Chinese mining executive searching for uranium in the Sahara, adding Niger to the list of states where China’s hunger for minerals has led its nationals into trouble.

In a recent report, Stratford, the security consultancy, said: “China now faces the dilemma of any country that undertakes an active foreign policy, particularly one based on the acquisition of resources. It must now decide how much to get involved in other countries’ internal issues.�

The idea is anathema to Beijing, which regards non-interference in other countries’ affairs as a fundamental plank of its foreign policy.

- The Times, AFP, AP

Dacca Syndrome

In the military parlance surrender without fight is called Dacca syndrome, named after the surrender of 90,000 pakistani troops by general Niazi.

Pk army is a latin army that cannot fight a war, they can only rule the civilian population.

A few suicide bombs in the past few days, the generals are back talking with the taliban on surrender terms, the Dacca syndrome is at work.

Then there is the 7 chinese captured by the lal majids. None of them were killed and all back at work. The 7 were rounded up from 7 brothels in Islamabad, one cannot believe that the army has given visas to several chinese to operate brothels.

Pakistan reduced to Sindh

Pakistan was created for the muslims of India. Those who embraced this idea are called mohajirs and most of them are in sindh.

Hence it is the realisation of the vision of Jinnah that only sindh should be part of pakistan, that si where all the mohajirs are, the true believers of jinnahs idea.

Going back to the Jinnah doctrine of TNT, helps to identify the configuration of pakistan after its iraquisation.

NWFP to afghanistan where most are pushtoons
POK to India
Pakistan to be re-named as Sindh.

this will be consistent with Jinnahs vision, at last there is a home for indian muslims.

Benefits of carpet bombing

Many reports say that some parts tora bora mountains are greener than ever before. The carpet bombings have created craters where water has accumulated leading to re-growth of plants and animal lives. The nomadic tribes of afghanistan are finding the mountain ranges more inhabitable than before.

Waziristan is another backward area where a little of soil conditioning by B52s will be most welcome.

Any tru lover of pakistan like tahmed cannot seriously deny some economic prosperity for that region.

Beginning of the end.

US is slowly softening the pak elites that bombing of waziristan is only weeks away. Predator UAV was over the lal masjid, that is the first right step, then the missiles will strike at the jihadis.

The only complaint I have with the predator is that the missiles on board are named hell-fire, if only the americans could re-name it as houri-gift, no jihadi will complain.

#517 by harish_hyd

PS: Could even be a Jihadi. Terrorists wearing police/army uniforms is not uncommon.

Thanks zeemax for the picture of the dead indian police man and the detail with which you have analyzed the dead. This is what I had been always telling on chowk, jihadi takes pleasure in seeing the dead, he is a killer, a general purpose killer and his joy first is in seeing the sight of death and probably he will go to the jinnahic heaven with that last scene in his mind.

Thanks zeemax, more of the pakistanis on chowk like the tahmeds will be happy with your pictures. These are the people who perpetuate this by denying the satanic verses. It is they who pose as koran experts while the people who spent their lives learning and interpreting koran run the lal majids and jihadi trainings.

#499 by zeemax

Looks more like a Kashmiri Muslim (skin color and beard), probably a policeman. Hindu cops are not allowed to grow beards (except during wars) or in extreme climatic conditions like in Siachen.

Giuliani on Pakistan & Musharaff.........

By Susan Page, USA TODAY
CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa — Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani said Thursday that the United States should do more to capture Osama bin Laden and dismantle al-Qaeda operations in Afghanistan and northern Pakistan — even at the expense of an ally, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf.
While he wasn't explicitly critical of President Bush, the Republican presidential contender outlined in an interview with USA TODAY a more aggressive stance and a different emphasis than the administration has pursued in the region that spawned the terror network.
The United States has been distracted "for a while" by military setbacks and political heat surrounding the Iraq war, Giuliani said, not focusing enough on al-Qaeda's resurgence in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
"This cannot be like a horror movie," he said. "You know, in the horror movie you kill the monster, and the hand re-emerges. And if you're not looking, the hand grows back and then the monster's there again. That cannot be allowed to happen."
Giuliani, who has led the GOP presidential field in the USA TODAY/Gallup Poll through the year, was interviewed near the end of a two-day campaign trip to Iowa. He visited an ethanol plant and promised as president to appoint "strict constructionist" judges who would not reinterpret the Constitution.
His presidential campaign has been tied largely to his leadership in New York after the 2001 attack on the World Trade Center. Giuliani was most animated when he turned in the interview to the subject of battling Islamic extremists, with a copy of the National Intelligence Estimate that was released Tuesday at his side. They were his first substantive comments on the formal assessment of the nation's terrorist threat.
The report warned that al-Qaeda has significantly strengthened its operations over the past two years, creating a "heightened threat environment" for the United States.
Some of Giuliani's comments echoed critics of the war in Iraq who argue that the invasion drew attention and resources away from the battle against the home base of al-Qaeda, which carried out the 9/11 attacks. Giuliani, however, called the Iraq war "enormously important," but he said other challenges from Islamic terrorism also demanded attention.
"I said it a long time ago … America is too consumed with Iraq," he said. "We've got to be patient and committed (in Iraq), but we've got to multitask. We've got to have conversations beyond Iraq. We've got to talk about Iran — Iran is more dangerous than Iraq — and we have to get the job done in Afghanistan and in Pakistan."
He said that might involve reorganizing United Nations forces, committing more U.S. resources, considering U.S.-led airstrikes on al-Qaeda targets in northern Pakistan or taking a tougher line with Musharraf — or pursuing all those steps.
Giuliani expressed little patience with the Pakistani president, who last fall brokered a cease-fire with tribal leaders in northern Pakistan that let them police their own territories. The White House said this week that the deal helped open the way for al-Qaeda to rebuild its infrastructure.
"Musharraf is important to us to the extent that he helps us remove this existential threat to him and to us," Giuliani said.
"And to the extent that he recognizes that it's an existential threat to us and to him, he's valuable to us. To the extent that he doesn't, he isn't," Giuliani said.

I'd say: "let them come"..this should have happened from day one instead of the paper-sipahis like G & J's antics. When was the last time freedom was "awarded" by transfering the title-deed with a mortgage in perpetuity?

Such a battle was left unfinished in 1857 due the complicity of the elite of those days.The Western & the westoxicated ones must be removed from the hearts & minds, besides the property, of all muslims.

Aey taae-r-e lahhotee, Uus rizque sey maut achhee
Jis rizque sey aatee ho, parvaaz meiN kotaa-hee"
.............................ALLAMA Iqbal.

US military action possible inside Pakistan: US
WASHINGTON: The White House on Thursday refused to rule out striking at suspected terrorist targets inside Pakistan and would not say whether US forces would first seek permission from Islamabad.

Asked whether US President George W Bush had ruled out US military action inside Pakistan, spokesman Tony Snow replied: 'We never rule out any options, including striking actionable targets.'

Asked whether Bush would first seek authorization from Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf, Snow told reporters, 'Those are matters that are best not discussed publicly.'

Washington in recent days has sharply criticized Musharraf's truce with leaders in Pakistan's tribal areas, where Al-Qaeda and Taliban militants were believed hiding, calling on him to take aggressive military action.

And Bush's top counter-terrorism adviser at the White House recently suggested that the United States did not get all of the cooperation it hoped for from Pakistan in the global war on terrorism.

At the same time, the White House has been praising Musharraf personally.

'President Musharraf has put his life on the line and has been a very important ally in the war on terror,' Snow said as Bush travelled here to make remarks on the federal budget.

'It's also clear that Taliban and al Qaeda, in the northwest territories and the federally administered