A Letter To President Musharraf

#532 Posted by tahmed32

Dear tahmed32

Every step in direction of strengthening civil society is a step in the right direction. Victory for the CJ is a victory for civil society, there is no ambiguity about that and this is a day to celebrate, congratulations.

Just one caveat, Musharraf was ill-advised when he moved against the CJ, that was a blunder because Musharraf's secular Govt strength lies with civil society empowered by independent judiciary. Now that judiciary has regained its suspended independence, people of Pakistan can once again have hope for justice.

mohar mian,

..... i thought you were kidding about the burqini, but here it is ! ...... you have to admit that all fat women who might be mistaken for beached whales should be forced to wear it ...... who said nothing good ever came out of islam ! (please notice that it is designed to accomodate a medium sized suicide belt)

#530 Posted by Ranjit

Agree... but I don't think india can do much... the so called "secular elements" in pakiland are more anti-india and filled with anti-hindu big0try than the even the mullahs... so as far as India is concerned - there is no such beast called "secular" paki... you can see that here in chowk itself...

So while your intentions are good, it's still not a workable proposal...

Besides - islamisation and talibanisation of muslim nations is inevitable - it's bound to happen - there ain't nothing america, india or china can do about it... In the only secular muslim country like turkey - islamics are gaining ground - there are now mushrooming "islamic resorts" where women wear "burqini" [ a burqa-bikini, imagine that ] and swim in segreggated swimming pools... the coming election there is predicted to be a big victory for them...

Malayasia - the other "moderate" muslim country - the deputy PM describes his country as an "islamic state"... they now have islamic vice squads, islmisation is spreading fast...

If these countries with established secular credentials and origins are falling fast into islamic abyss - what chance does pakiland have - which has been in islamic clutch right from the start - which was founded in name of islam?...

Alright - pakis, you have made history... congrats on pulling one on Mushy :)

chennai i think you are missing a big point here. Nearly everyone secular/fundo alike in pakistan is celebrating the victory of a powerful nonviolent return of independant judiciary. It matters shit all what Bush knows since Bush knows nothing.

chennai i think you are missing a big point here. Nearly everyone secular/fundo alike in pakistan is celebrating the victory of a powerful nonviolent return of independant judiciary. It matters shit all what Bush knows since Bush knows nothing.

#534 Posted by philosopher

here we go again..pakis deluding themselves on some "victory"....Does Bushy the Bright know who this chaudry dude is.....and does he even want to know.......

Is this "victory" going to change the US intervention in Pakistan or speed up the process.....

U need to answer these........

#534 Posted by philosopher

here we go again..pakis deluding themselves on some "victory"....Does Bushy the Bright know who this chaudry dude is.....and does he even want to know.......

Is this "victory" going to change the US intervention in Pakistan or speed up the process.....

U need to answer these........

#534 Posted by philosopher

here we go again..pakis deluding themselves on some "victory"....Does Bushy the Bright know who this chaudry dude is.....and does he even want to know.......

Is this "victory" going to change the US intervention in Pakistan or speed up the process.....

#534 Posted by philosopher

here we go again..pakis deluding themselves on some "victory"....Does Bushy the Bright know who this chaudry dude is.....and does he even want to know.......

Is this "victory" going to change the US intervention in Pakistan or speed up the process.....

#534 Posted by philosopher

here we go again..pakis deluding themselves on some "victory"....Does Bushy the Bright know who this chaudry dude is.....and does he even want to know.......

Is this "victory" going to change the US intervention in Pakistan or speed up the process.....

Mushyoons are screwed...

congrats muslimoon


Pakistan Chief Justice reinstated as SC gives historic decision
ISLAMABAD: A 13-member full court of the Supreme Court on Friday gave historic verdict to reinstate Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry and quashed misconduct charges filed against him by President Pervez Musharraf.

The announcement sparked massive celebrations by lawyers who had spent the day waiting outside the court for the verdict.

Chaudhry was suspended in March, following allegations that he abused his position, notably to obtain a top police job for his son and other privileges for himself.

"The reference of the president dated March 9, 2007 is set aside," presiding judge Khalil-ur-Rehman Ramday told the court, announcing the panel of judges had reached a 10-3 decision in Chaudhry's favour after a 43-day hearing.

"As a further consequence, the petitioner, the Chief Justice of Pakistan, shall be deemed to be holding the said office and shall always be deemed to have been so holding the same," he said.

The Supreme Court started hearing of an appeal of Chief Justice of Pakistan Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry against his suspension by President Gen. Pervez Musharraf on April 18.

Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry had challenged Musharraf's decision to suspend him and he was under trial for alleged misconduct.

The lead counsel for the chief justice Chaudhry Aitzaz Ahsan had filed a petition against presidential reference under article 184-III of constitution.

Aitzaz Ahsan had completed his arguments during the hearing today after which head of a 13-member full court bench of Supreme Court Justice Khalilur Rahman Ramday announced the brief verdict.

On this occasion, special security arrangements were made outside the Supreme Court by posting heavy contingents of police.

Meanwhile, Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz said the government accepted the Supreme Court's decision to reinstate the country's top judge but added it was "not the time to claim victory or defeat."

"I have just learnt of the Supreme Court decision. I have always maintained that the decision by the honourable court must be accepted by all sections of the people including the government itself," Aziz said in a statement.

"This is not the time to claim victory or defeat. The constitution and the law have prevailed and must prevail at all times," he added.

ranjit,

"We need to immediately setup an alliance with the US and the secular elements of Pak army and Pak society. The secular elements should be given full support both materially and logistically to crush the islamists."

..... great idea ! ...... you can start by sending a hundred dollars to my paypal account .....

... thank you for your support

rf: the solution to mullah lawlessness is - surprise! - law and order. Not musharraf or some general taking on airs of being the "centralized power" in Pakistan (as Mush was calling for yesterday in his continued efforts to cling to power).

And law and order means, doing police investigative work to find those responsible for bombings and bringing them to court as murderers. For finding those responsible for attacking peaceful protesters (as on May 12) and bringing them to court.

And the tossing out of all charges by mush as being unconstitional by the Supreme Court by overwhelming majority is a giant step in the right direction. And the credit for this goes to all Pakistanis who are struggling peacefully and bravely against gun-toting mullahs and ambitious two-bit generals.

Guys, I know it is very tempting for us Indians to enjoy the sight of violence and chaos in Pakistan. However, lets take a calm and sober look at what is going on next door. Pakistan is slowly degnerating into a civil war between Islamists and Secularists along the lines of what happened in Algeria and to some extent in Egypt. The outcome of this conflict can have serious consequences, not just for Pakistan but also for India. There is no guarantee that the Secularists (represented by the army) will win here. For all practical purposes, the NWFP and Baluchistan provinces are pretty much uncontrollable by Islamabad. There are certainly strong sections in the Pak army and the security establishment that favors the Islamists. Therefore, there is a real chance of a fracture in the Pak army as well along the same lines that Pak society is fracturing.

In the worst case scenario, we could see a Islamist general overthrowing Mushy and adopting a completely pro-Taliban ideology. While a majority of Pakistanis may not support that, they are too weak to stand up to the Islamists, especially if the army switches allegiance. That would lead to Pakistan becoming a Sunni clone of Iran and the US may be booted out of the region. In an even bleaker scenario, the army could fall apart by splitting between generals who are islamists vs generals who are secular. That would lead to pro-Taliban elements aligned with one section of the army fighting an opposing section of the army that would have US support. Now throw the control of nukes into all this and you have the perfect storm scenario developing here.

I think it is time for India to wake up and have a serious discussion with the US about what to do about Pakistan and the way it is headed. In any such scenario above, it will lead to doomsday for India as well. A rogue Islamist general with nukes will not hesitate to reduce North India to the stone age even as Pakistan gets wiped out in exchange. We need to immediately setup an alliance with the US and the secular elements of Pak army and Pak society. The secular elements should be given full support both materially and logistically to crush the islamists. They must be encouraged to use the most brutal tactics possible to wipe out the Islamists without raising bogeys about human rights and so forth.

We need to learn from history. A thousand years back when Islamists were attacking the Northwest of India, the rest of North India was watching a tamasha from the sidelines. As a result, the entire Northwest became muslim and North India also got conquered under imperial muslim rule. We must not let that history repeat itself by watching the events in Pakistan as a tamasha for our entertainment.

Re: # 530 Posted by Ranjit:

It is only a matter of when & how the US is going to intervene in Pakistan and not "if".

That being the case India should sit tight and not get involved in what appears to be a battle of Islamic ideology.