A Letter To President Musharraf

re. echoboom via zeemax #170:
@WOW!@, that dame`s 50-something!??

Waisey, I agree with you Echo sahib, it`s a great society that produces individuals who do not judge others by association-- even, or especially, accidental associations such as family ties. ;-) Can u imagine a JH alumni giving, say, Bubba`s son a chance at love?

it`s wheel....OF.....KARMAAAAAA!!!!!


roses are red
violets are blue
the jihadis you created to kill indians
are now killing you

12 security men martyred in Swat landmine blast

SWAT: At least 17 persons including 12 security men were killed Sunday when a security forces convoy struck against landmines in Matta area near Swat.

Director General ISPR has said 10 security men were martyred and 29 were wounded in the incident.


At least 17 killed in D.I Khan Police Line suicide blast

DERA ISMAIL KHAN: A suicide bomber killed at least 17 people and wounded over 50 more Sunday at a police recruitment centre in northwest Pakistan in the weekend`s third major bomb attack, police said.

The latest attack raised the death toll over 55 from the series of strikes that have rocked Pakistan since Saturday, after Muslim hardliners called for holy war following last week`s storming of the Red Mosque in Islamabad.

``It was a suicide attack,`` senior police official Sharif Virk said after the latest attack, which took place in the town of Dera Ismail Khan in Pakistan`s troubled North West Frontier Province near the Afghan border.

#176 and pandit arjun`s red glare,
his 24/7 gas discharges in air...

#174 by PM,

Now you`re just clutching at straws.

Rank doesn`t matter. They`re all the same if you`ve ever had occasion to encounter the police setup. Each one of them is more criminal than the criminals themselves. It is the entire corrupted institution of Police that they challenged.

Re: # 169
Romair...... I read your comments. You are getting emotional which is understandable. When you read too many -ve comments this happens.
General and Mrs Bhutto combination will not work is speculation. It will work more like business relationship , all work no affection. Mrs.Bhutto has been out of country for years and and that has affected her ability to great extent. She has only solid support in Rural Sindh. Punjab still will be controlled by Choudharies, mrs Bhutto has no command. ( she never had good or faithful following). She is perceived as corroupt politician but all politicans are perceived liked that but lustrue is gone for ever.
General has lost popularity as you have mentioned and he needs Bhuttos support to save him for crime of ``treason`` if other get power. Bhutto needs pardon for corrouption business and general wants same for illeagal take over. Both are afraid of MMA. General has used them and abused them and they understand he has allowed to have power in two provinces. This unique situation makes both work which will work . MQM will support BB only if general is President and she will accept as insurance policy against army take over. Corp commanders will be happy with this combination as they are weary of taking burden of ruling as it has been waering on them for some time. Recent book about army and business ms. Siddika has has affected even army higher up and there is very reluctance of status quo. The army will like get out of governing will like to return to barracks, ruling pakistan is not fun but it is work.
Economy is doing alright and situation on that front may not be great but not bad at all and country is slowly but steadly progressing.
Free trade agreement with China is about to happen and Chinese companies and citizen are ready to pour billions of Dollars in pakistan and transforming like China ifself. USA will be happy with Bhutto and general combination. USA army and state dept have cordial relationship and they need to continue same to have good logistic for usa army fighting in Afghanistan. For first time Pakistan has started getting economic benefits as staging base for american army in A.Stan similar to Japan got economic benefits while USA was operation agfainst terrorism in Vietnam. Pakistan has become Unstoppable war base safe and it will be spending more and more money. Like presently all oil supply transport contracts are having with pakistani companies. Many services are outsourced to local people as war takes lots of materials and local get good rates for srevices than what they can make in pakistani free market. USA may not like but as they move out of IRAQ they will be pouring more money and efforts in A.Stan. Most say it will go for atleast 30 years and that many years of economic activity will only help.
There are problems but good opportunities also and FREE TRADE AGREEMENT with China and China money investments ,personals and american war base need of pakstan will be locomotive of Pakistan economy for next 30 years.
Good night.

re. philosopher #156:
``,All i have said is that,this ethical system is always based on its philosophical basis.(does anybodey deny that? please let me know if anyone does).``

No. I don`t deny it. But when it comes to philosphical systems and the ethical outlook derived from them, some are more open than others, leading to a less dogmatic, more inclusive system than others. Compare Nazism, which, in fact, does not comply with your definition of ideology at all, with Quakerism, or even Islam, which rougly do. Surely you can see a substantial difference there?

#157 by tahmed32 on July 14, 2007 6:16pm PT
{``Salim #148 The impact to date of lal masjid on Musharraf`s standing (internal and external) is I think obvious from the reaction - there have been no mass demonstrations (except by maulvis) to protest, and (from interviews etc.) most people, while horrified by the killings, think that lal masjid maulvis left him no choice. ``}

Janab Mohtarram Tahmed Sahib Qibla,
At least you know how I feel about Mullahs, right wing fundos, extremism, and implementation of Sharia law. I am a devout secularist and an ardent Muslim, but I cannot condone massacres of anyone - Hindus, Sikhs, Bengalis, Mohajirs, Sindhis, Ahmedis, Baluchis, Mohajirs, Kashmiris, Gujratis, Pathans, and Punjabis. Mushy had many choices. The main mullah was caught with his burka down. He was a laughing stock of Pakistan and the world. All Mushy had to do was to wait out the inmates at Lal Masjid.

Sir, between introduction and abortion there are many other steps. Why does every decision in Pakistan have to jump from misunderstanding the problem and then immediately resorting to the most violent solution? My reason for supporting Mushy was his bloodless coup against a ruthless and bloody tyrant. I supported his moderation, his steering of Pakistan through a hazardous period. But the killing Bughti, the operations in Wana, the treatment of Northern Areas, and now this foolish and arrogant use of force in Islamabad give a composite picture of a man intoxicated with absolute power. Time for him to leave the stage and allow Act II to commence.

re. zeemax #178

yaar, believe me, no one would be happier if every corrupt policewallah was lined up and had their rifle butt shoved up their asses. And then some. But I was commenting on the soundness of strategy of the LM/JH in kidnapping mere constables... If I`m not mistaken, the ``charge`` against them were that they were not upholding the law w.r.t. dens of vice. So it comes back to the same issue of what the religious militants were most against.

Perhaps you`d like to recall what the LM/JH folks had against the kidnapped police.

Bubba`s son = Dubya`s son.

Just read Iran importing gasoline with 3.5 billon dollars. Pakistani refineries can help Iran by exporting , they will more happy to get from eastern neighbour refineries than european or american or indian refiniries.

#26 stuka:
``I guess Kulharee is right that if this was a minority group, it would be shrugged of as essential and there may not be soul searching. ``

An indication of how right this assertion might be is the number of times you hear folks (influential as well as the common man) go ``...these were our Muslim brothers...`` as part of the argument that more restraint could have been shown by the government-- which is a helluva lot!

Re: # 102

``okha #99`` ``And then, dear author, you come out with a passionate plea to the perpetrator himself... ````

you seriously couldnt have mised the irony of my words!

Dear General Sahib,
Salam-a-laikum
First off Congratulations on a job well done. You handled it extremely well and with extreme professionalism kudos!!! to you and your brave men of Pakistan army. We in the west are all behind you and wish you the vey best in the upcoming elections, if you need help with elections you know where to reach us, if we can rig `em in Afghanistan and Iraq, Pakistan will be a walk in the park or as George Tenet put it ``its a slam dunk``.
Secondly a bit of advice, We know that Mullahs and muslim vermin is extremely important and strategic to Pakistan due to ``Masla-e-Kashmir`` and keeping Afghanistan ``destablized``. However please be assured that Pakistan as a nation does not need to worry about those two issues anymore, NATO and US forces are there to stay in Afghanistan so Pakistan need not worry about that front. Similarly India is hot economically speaking and becoming hotter, in addition, hate to put it this way but while India might be a ``sworn enemy`` of Pakistan, India doesnt consider Pakistan as her ``sworn enemy`` just a mere annoyance.

Now that you have taken an excellent step in going after muslim vermin where ever they are holed up, dont stop but as a 9-11 hero put it ``lets roll``. You my dear general do the same and stay on this roll. Dont give them a moment to breathe. As a sign out west says ``Wanted Dead or Alive``, you go git `em cowboy.
Laura Bhabbi and the twins send their Salams to you and your wife.

Wasalam
GWB
P.S Tell Billo to stop by over the summer, I have a little something for him

#187 mooli {``Laura Bhabbi and the twins send their Salams to you and your wife. ``}

Radish,
I have heard some people call it a ``Bobby,`` but I have never heard anyone refer to the two as ``twins.`` You must not favor either side and are probably perfectly symmetrical. :)

Re: # 180

PM
((((No. I don`t deny it. But when it comes to philosphical systems and the ethical outlook derived from them, some are more open than others, leading to a less dogmatic, more inclusive system than others. Compare Nazism, which, in fact, does not comply with your definition of ideology at all, with Quakerism, or even Islam, which rougly do. Surely you can see a substantial difference there?))))

Off course there are differences in the ideological system derived from philosophical system...for example Marxism does not have any ethical system at all in the strict sense.....All you can derive from it is ,` the social implication of values`` `pragmatically` wedded to its philosophical basis.....in Islam values and ethics have far more significance than Marxism because in the case of Islam an individual not only follow moralities but also have certain level of `consciousness` of those values and the sense of accountability to God. In Marxism there is no need to be `conscious` of those values as long as they are serving their social purpose and giving a feed back to the ideological system it is derived from.......but in all cases they are `ideologies` by any definition............even Nazism is a comprehensive ideology because it derives the superiority of a race from a scientific Darwinism.

So even Nazism is not without any philosophical basis and intellectual justification. Its authoritarian approach does demand a complete ideological system and it philosophical grounds..(Now its another thing whether these implication are complementary to Darwinism or it has a `valid` intellectual grounds)...but it satisfies every definition of ideology.

hamid writes <<< . masadi will return to the us to drive a cab in ny city after being kicked out of government college ............ >>>

Hamid will declare la ilaha ill allah, repent of his evil ways and revert to Islam, and spend the rest of his life in contemplation and charity as he declares the glory of Allah morning and evening...

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By the way Bulleya, the statements (criticism of Musharraf) coming out of America today are perfectly in line with my thesis, I told you all earlier the US wants a change of regime in Pakistan with a transitory ``democracy`` period, provided Musharraf gives up the uniform- Musharraf knows that if he gives up his uniform, he is toast, no power can exist in Pakistan without the uniform, everything else is a facade of power, presidency or no presidency; that is why he claims to wear it as a ``second skin``, but like I said, the American elite are well versed in skinning their previous peons. If he gives up the uniform and follows Bulleyas prediction that would be something novel. He will go out the assassination way, with a hellfire from the Americans aimed for his a$$ with the fingerprints of a Mullah, if he decides to stay in power which is not possible without the uniform (thus he has to declare emergency). He knows that the army he commands is subservient to those who want him out and they are the ones who are cornering him manufacturing one crisis after another...