Is America Ready for a Black President?

[one of stuff written in men's latrines in public places]

What makes you so sure the women's rooms are any better?!

The reason everyone is having so much trouble with this format is that the nested format is geared to logical discussion where two or more posters work together to beat an issue to death.
However, on chowk any attempts at such discussions get disrupted very quickly by people making statements while ignoring what the other person actually wrote.

In short, the nested format applies to websites that are properly moderated. Not chowk, which may have good web designers but has useless management that is incapable of even remotely ensuring respect for its own guidelines (which in turn are geared to promote intelligent discussion, rather than mere insults and namecalling that at times degenerates into grafitti that reminds one of stuff written in men's latrines in public places - all the while chowk staff being blithefully acting as if there is an interfaith dialogue taking place here).

That is my theory.

#40 Kulharee writes "But Dumbo, “everyone” takes the “same” oath, including Gays and Blacks"

Just like everyone has to "sign" that declaration, Sunni, Shia, Wahabi, Deobandi,Ahmadi, Christian, Parsi or whatever. Does not make either the US declaration or that statment just, and regardless of how you sign or take the declaration it does not ensure that your brown a$$ will be on equal par with the whites, in fact aggregate stats reveal that if you are African American you will be treated much worse, even if you were exempt from taking the oath by being born in the US, than Ahmadis are in Pakistan. Please provide evidence to substantiate your claim that the average Ahmadi is much worse off than the average run of the mill Pakistani in a society in which over 86% languish in poverty. You don't have a clue, little fool

Re: # 44

Asadi Sahib, if you are pretending to be thickheaded, let me assure you that there is no need for that. Absolutely no need. Would you like to sign a declaration that says that your prophet was imposter? Here, you were so proud of not signing the “oath of allegiance” but you expect Ahmadis to sign some crap? You my friend are really dumb as a twig.

Ana, you can feel what you like to feel. I still believe that these are legitimate questions to ask. This nation was formed on asking tough questions.

What the hell just happened? I was typing a response to Kulharee and then I got sent to another page, and could not get back to what I was writing. Chalo Kulharee, aap bachh gaye, but aaaargh, how frustrating to be cut off in such a manner. Is there a limit to how many characters we can type now?

I am not going to retype what I was trying to say, only that you and I Kulharee are going to disagree on this, even though we are both religious minorities from the old country, where the question if asked, would be responded to with a resounding no. It is not that I do not wish this question to be asked. I wish for it to be asked differently. I wish for the question to be asked as Is America ready for Barack Obama and the answers not to have anything to do with his race. And that is not going to happen. There are still people out there who are not ready for a "black president" Kulharee. They are called white supremacists. And they should not be dismissed so summarily. And if we are going to ask that question of Barack Obama, then it should also be asked of Hilary Rodham Clinton and Christopher Dodd, and Ralph Nader, and anyone who is running for president. I know that I may not be making my point clear here, but I am going to walk away from this discussion because I think I've said all I want to say, and the only thing we might agree on is to disagree.

Kulharee writes "Is America ready for a Gay President? Is American ready for a Native American President? The three top Dem contender are: A Black, a Woman, a Hispanic. Just because we are “ready”."

You're a fool arent you, who is this we ? You think just because your brown a$$ got a passport you are part of that we ? Wait for another contrived "terror" attack, and see how fast your a$$ is lynched by the very people you are calling enlightened. The common run of the mill Pakistani, and I am not talking about the bigoted mullahs, by the way there were no Ahmadis back in 300BC you little fool, is much less prejudiced than the you ess of ay, that has a whole history of bigotry not only locally but the world over, starting with the systematic extermination of the natives....

Kulharee writes "I recently got a NICOP card and if I had not signed that I consider Mohammad the “last Prophet” I would be getting a “different” card, as expected,"

And if you didn't take your oath of allegiance (which I refuse to under any circumstance), you wouldn't have the US passport now would you. You chose a stupid example picked more for ulterior motive in Pakistan than any real power issues.....Pakistan might be fuxed up, but that fuxing up has more to do with our relationship with the machinery that is fuxing up the world, and that machinery if you read closely has the label, "MADE IN USA" clearly affixed to it in bright red and blue lettering.....Get an education fool....NICOP... ha ha, I can sign anything and still it takes me 20 trips to their office to get one much harder than a few scratches on paper...

Re: # 40
But Dumbo, “everyone” takes the “same” oath, including Gays and Blacks.. but you cannot think rationally until you take your head out of your behind.

Iron Mask and others,

Please do not underestimate the chowk-staff's strong will and iron-like determination to periodically keep proving to the whole world that they are - in their own little and big ways - just as capable of making total asses of themselves as are the interactors and most writers here!

A few cosmetic bells & whistles added at the great cost of ease of navigation and fast loading of pages. Thumbs down.

#35 urstruly you mena the layout where you could see the most recent 10 interacts per page. I agree. this is getting silly.....

Chowk Staff:

Please reinstate the previous thread structure. It is hard to follow discussion in the new set up. Please highlight the name of the interlocutors on top of each interact with bold and sliglty larger font. Also, keep the list of interlocutors on the right side of the thread as it previously was. It helps navigate.

The front page takes a lot of time to load, sometimes 2 minutes, even though I have highest speed internet availble in the market.

Re: # 35
urstruly please go here and make your contributions. The more like minded people we have the better it is

the link http://chowk.com/unplugged/t/42340

This threaded layout sucks big time

Chowk staff pliss get rid of it -its a damn nuisance

#31 Posted by Kulharee on July 18, 2007 4:10:20 am
Masadi Sahib, I am sure you know a lot more about the world than I ever could. Perhaps you would also know that Ahmadis have a special form to sign to get even a friggin Shanakti card. Yes, they can be generals (and they were) but that was 300 BC just around the time Alexander fought with Porus near my village.

Do you have any friggin idea about the political economy of pakistan? Have you ever understood what Masadi has said and shouted from roof tops. It is not Pakistanis decreeing it as such. It is all in the hands ofthe Ameerikan Gods! Now pliss Kulharee wash that mind of yours and fill it with the right knowledge.

#28 a correction

(a)"Is ABlack American Ready to become the American President?"

(b)(indeed MASADA Complex might even agree with my question but not necessarily they way it is put).,