Is America Ready for a Black President?

Re: # 27
Asadi Sahib.. Instead of wasting your brilliance over US Elite, I suggest that you contact the Pakistani establishment to have the forms for public services redesigned. I recently got a NICOP card and if I had not signed that I consider Mohammad the “last Prophet” I would be getting a “different” card, as expected, I refused to sign it, so I was issued a “different” card. As I didn’t really think that Mohammad had anything to do with the color of my ID card, but apparently it did. You can by all means keep blaming America for all your backwardness and fukedupness, but the question is when will you wake up?

This threaded layout sucks big time

Chowk staff pliss get rid of it -its a damn nuisance

Chowk Staff:

Please reinstate the previous thread structure. It is hard to follow discussion in the new set up. Please highlight the name of the interlocutors on top of each interact with bold and sliglty larger font. Also, keep the list of interlocutors on the right side of the thread as it previously was. It helps navigate.

The front page takes a lot of time to load, sometimes 2 minutes, even though I have highest speed internet availble in the market.

#35 urstruly you mena the layout where you could see the most recent 10 interacts per page. I agree. this is getting silly.....

Re: # 35
urstruly please go here and make your contributions. The more like minded people we have the better it is

the link http://chowk.com/unplugged/t/42340

A few cosmetic bells & whistles added at the great cost of ease of navigation and fast loading of pages. Thumbs down.

Iron Mask and others,

Please do not underestimate the chowk-staff's strong will and iron-like determination to periodically keep proving to the whole world that they are - in their own little and big ways - just as capable of making total asses of themselves as are the interactors and most writers here!

Kulharee writes "I recently got a NICOP card and if I had not signed that I consider Mohammad the “last Prophet” I would be getting a “different” card, as expected,"

And if you didn't take your oath of allegiance (which I refuse to under any circumstance), you wouldn't have the US passport now would you. You chose a stupid example picked more for ulterior motive in Pakistan than any real power issues.....Pakistan might be fuxed up, but that fuxing up has more to do with our relationship with the machinery that is fuxing up the world, and that machinery if you read closely has the label, "MADE IN USA" clearly affixed to it in bright red and blue lettering.....Get an education fool....NICOP... ha ha, I can sign anything and still it takes me 20 trips to their office to get one much harder than a few scratches on paper...

Kulharee writes "Is America ready for a Gay President? Is American ready for a Native American President? The three top Dem contender are: A Black, a Woman, a Hispanic. Just because we are “ready”."

You're a fool arent you, who is this we ? You think just because your brown a$$ got a passport you are part of that we ? Wait for another contrived "terror" attack, and see how fast your a$$ is lynched by the very people you are calling enlightened. The common run of the mill Pakistani, and I am not talking about the bigoted mullahs, by the way there were no Ahmadis back in 300BC you little fool, is much less prejudiced than the you ess of ay, that has a whole history of bigotry not only locally but the world over, starting with the systematic extermination of the natives....

Re: # 40
But Dumbo, “everyone” takes the “same” oath, including Gays and Blacks.. but you cannot think rationally until you take your head out of your behind.

What the hell just happened? I was typing a response to Kulharee and then I got sent to another page, and could not get back to what I was writing. Chalo Kulharee, aap bachh gaye, but aaaargh, how frustrating to be cut off in such a manner. Is there a limit to how many characters we can type now?

I am not going to retype what I was trying to say, only that you and I Kulharee are going to disagree on this, even though we are both religious minorities from the old country, where the question if asked, would be responded to with a resounding no. It is not that I do not wish this question to be asked. I wish for it to be asked differently. I wish for the question to be asked as Is America ready for Barack Obama and the answers not to have anything to do with his race. And that is not going to happen. There are still people out there who are not ready for a "black president" Kulharee. They are called white supremacists. And they should not be dismissed so summarily. And if we are going to ask that question of Barack Obama, then it should also be asked of Hilary Rodham Clinton and Christopher Dodd, and Ralph Nader, and anyone who is running for president. I know that I may not be making my point clear here, but I am going to walk away from this discussion because I think I've said all I want to say, and the only thing we might agree on is to disagree.

#40 Kulharee writes "But Dumbo, “everyone” takes the “same” oath, including Gays and Blacks"

Just like everyone has to "sign" that declaration, Sunni, Shia, Wahabi, Deobandi,Ahmadi, Christian, Parsi or whatever. Does not make either the US declaration or that statment just, and regardless of how you sign or take the declaration it does not ensure that your brown a$$ will be on equal par with the whites, in fact aggregate stats reveal that if you are African American you will be treated much worse, even if you were exempt from taking the oath by being born in the US, than Ahmadis are in Pakistan. Please provide evidence to substantiate your claim that the average Ahmadi is much worse off than the average run of the mill Pakistani in a society in which over 86% languish in poverty. You don't have a clue, little fool

The reason everyone is having so much trouble with this format is that the nested format is geared to logical discussion where two or more posters work together to beat an issue to death.
However, on chowk any attempts at such discussions get disrupted very quickly by people making statements while ignoring what the other person actually wrote.

In short, the nested format applies to websites that are properly moderated. Not chowk, which may have good web designers but has useless management that is incapable of even remotely ensuring respect for its own guidelines (which in turn are geared to promote intelligent discussion, rather than mere insults and namecalling that at times degenerates into grafitti that reminds one of stuff written in men's latrines in public places - all the while chowk staff being blithefully acting as if there is an interfaith dialogue taking place here).

That is my theory.

[one of stuff written in men's latrines in public places]

What makes you so sure the women's rooms are any better?!

Perhaps interactors like Ana need to learn to type...

In a window OUTSIDE of a chowk page, that is...

Then the morons can not make your computer crash.

My personal favorite is Microsoft Word.

You have my word!

Tauheed sahib, I have never seen you so critical of chowk staff.

This blows my theory that you ARE chowk staff!

Perhaps you are the staff of chowk staff!

Or were simply staffed by it. :((