Does Islam, in fact, Encourage Paedophilia?

#419 Posted by sattar2

[And why would you think otherwise? I have complete regard for Quran and Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). This man (pbuh) patiently bore atrocities for well being of his fellow men and set the bar high for all of us. ]

So you think that raping a woman the same night that he had murdered her father and brother is setting the bar high for us lowly creatures, eh?

Is that your logic-less faith, or logical argument speaking?

Sattar Sahib:

What is wrong in discovering Tahmed Sahib's Koran and Islam, rather Osama Bin Ladin's?

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[..any muslim gives a shit about your opinion or thoughts on islam...]

Well - may be you guys should give a sh!t... not that I care either way... it's your funeral, enjoy... :)

I was just trying to dissuade kaal, the hindu "liberal", from being an apologist for this "faith"...

kaal

Gee thanks dude for not setting the flag on me... my life would have been shattered otherwise... :)

Naqsh (#397),

And why would you think otherwise? I have complete regard for Quran and Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). This man (pbuh) patiently bore atrocities for well being of his fellow men and set the bar high for all of us. Despite being seduced by promises of power, women, worldly glory, he remained steadfast and extremely humble in his ways. From historical accounts that I have read off and on, he would give the shirt off his back to the needy, and quietly starve in order to feed someone else.

What is also important is that, his message of Quran tells us that Allah has raised such men among all nations, throughout the history of mankind. I have little doubt that Krishna, Buddha, Ram, Confucius, Jesus were such men, and I have extreme admiration for all of them. In men like these, what’s not to love?

mohar (#396),

You have a point, which did cross my mind as I was writing my earlier response.

Faith, as long as one keeps it to himself, should be left alone. But when faith turns into deprecating, hateful, or violent ideology, it should be defied, exposed, challenged, and held back (at times I even poke fun at it, but it’s all in good faith. And I dish out the same treatment to Ahmadis when they go overboard …)

And tahmed “beaten into submission” was not my point at all. It is unfortunate that he himself saw our debate in this light and spitefully mentioned “sattar winning a medal”. What the hell?? This was not about winning or losing the argument. The point all along was inconsistency of his reasoning, which he failed to acknowledge. I only wish he, and others, would stop disparaging people for their faith. One should have no problem with Sufis, Christians, Ahmadis, Hindus … as long as they remain peaceful in their ways. Rest is all esoteric, sophistic garbage and a load of intellectual masturbation; which, as mentioned earlier, is not bad for coffee chats, but only as long as I am not footing the bill for everyone.

And this point got lost in the heated altercation between Sahib and myself. And life goes on …

haha ok ajeya sir whatever you say.What was the book,Rum and Martini, or something?

#415 Posted by rahul_capri

[Hey kaal,My definition of a liberal is someone who is willing to try other people's shoes;and by that definition you are probaly second to none.Of course,I m still stuck with the fantasy of one size fits all khaRa-oon,so I m less liberal than you. ]

Don't go orgasmic just yet. The second half of kaalchakra's sentence does imply that Islam can be evil when Muslims around you DO NOT have significant power.

So put the champagne back, and crack open the English grammer book again.

Hey kaal,My definition of a liberal is someone who is willing to try other people's shoes;and by that definition you are probaly second to none.Of course,I m still stuck with the fantasy of one size fits all khaRa-oon,so I m less liberal than you.

Echo bhra,

Thanks for the clarification.

My acess to the internet is severely limited. If anyone has addressed me since my last post some days ago, please wait a couple more for a reply, if still interested.

#362 Rahul

Hey Rahul, Thanks for doing my thinking. Trite and disappointing as this may sound, I honestly think that the answer is "all of the above" in some degree. And even when the fulfilment you mention may not be forthcoming wrt (d), there's always the attraction of undestanding other minds better.

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PM thnnx.In case its not clear,Let me mention that I was also having this dialog with myself via you;since when I read your responses I think that if I had your intellectual rigor, I would have written something similar.

#324 Posted by KaalChakra

[HAHA, are we trying to "understand" PM?! :)

Getting personal in that sense is not done really, but since we are all respectful toward him and there is a bigger point to be made, hopefully he won't mind if we make a brief exception here.

My feeling is that PM has to actually live with Islam as it really is, while so many of us don't (at least not yet). Since Islam is foremost a system of power, it is a radically different (not "evil" but different) system when Muslims around you have significant power (even if they are not in majority) than until they do not. ]


Actually I have wondered sometimes what your deal is. It has appeared to me, that the main thrust of your arguments is to ensure that you are personally involved in these arguments ad nauseum, and it does not matter to you that you sometimes make statements that, even giving license for attempts to clever ambiguity, are clearly contradictory to other statements you have made.

So that prompts me to ask you - are you a wheelchair-bound paraplegic who derives some pleasure in the cyber-world through this website? (I'm alsmost convinced that Zeemax is one - in fact I would be willing to bet that Zeemax has erectile dysfunction to boot - could be age-related). Are you a retiree sitting in a old-man's home typing away on your computer? What is it, I wonder.


It is statements like these that irritate me the most.

WHY IS IT, that Islam is not an "Evil", but a "different" system when Muslims around you have significant power? Could you explain that for me? I'd like to understand this one.


Go ahead, try me. I'm all ears. Tell me why. And don't start with vague beating around the bush. Just tell me straight.

Thank you.

No Folio ...that has nothing to do with you. You are a gent.
I know the couplet gave you that impression..that was an "insider"

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Faith cannot be left alone, when it's so obviously hindering and damaging human progress... it's a veritable albatross around people's collective neck - even though they don't realize it...
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It is futile to argue with people about faith. Many times sane people follow insane people, If you look at the followers of Jim Jones, David Koresh , the japanese cult leader etc .. they are probably well educated.. The person who used Sarin gas on the Japan subway was (I believe) a doctor and later during the trials claimed that he was a lil' bit hesitant on seeing an innocent lady in the subway who is going to die, but then consoled himself saying that the "cult leader" knows better. This is the same with "Muslims".