Asif Naqshbandi July 19, 2007
#33 Posted by HP on July 23, 2007 12:34:56 am
What is your criterion for Prophet? Can you define what a Prophet is? Why should a prophet be different than any other human being?
This may sound strange to a person of your limited knowledge but what makes any one decide that a prophet should be better or more virtuous than any other human.
Can you define what is "prophet material"?
#34 Posted by krishna_abcd on July 23, 2007 12:35:48 am
#29 Posted by HP
[I don't know why age is so important in this issue.]
Of course you don't. That's why Muslims are so special.
[I don't know why age is so important in this issue.]
Of course you don't. That's why Muslims are so special.
#35 Posted by krishna_abcd on July 23, 2007 12:39:41 am
#33 Posted by HP
[What is your criterion for Prophet? Can you define what a Prophet is? Why should a prophet be different than any other human being?]
Because your ENTIRE faith is founded on the koran. Which, IF YOU BELIEVE MO, was transmitted to him by a winged creature in a cave.
THEREFORE your ENTIRE faith rests on WHETHER YOU CAN BELIEVE WHAT THIS GUY SAYS.
And he's not a credible guy, not even respectable.
Sorry. You guys have been fooled.
[What is your criterion for Prophet? Can you define what a Prophet is? Why should a prophet be different than any other human being?]
Because your ENTIRE faith is founded on the koran. Which, IF YOU BELIEVE MO, was transmitted to him by a winged creature in a cave.
THEREFORE your ENTIRE faith rests on WHETHER YOU CAN BELIEVE WHAT THIS GUY SAYS.
And he's not a credible guy, not even respectable.
Sorry. You guys have been fooled.
#36 Posted by HP on July 23, 2007 12:39:54 am
"Of course you don't. That's why Muslims are so special."
You are really funny. How do you know I am a Muslim? I have never claimed that.
I guess you assume too much and then write stupid stuff.
#37 Posted by HP on July 23, 2007 12:42:28 am
"Because your ENTIRE faith is founded on the koran."
That is just so ridiculous. I have not even read Quran. I think your problem is that you just create straw man and then fight them. Do you understand circular logic?
#38 Posted by Folio on July 23, 2007 1:08:21 am
Re: # 27
Krishna,
You're trying to slot me as a Muslim. I can live without such affiliations. Pl keep the discussion dignified or choose some other guy for ur lowly language.
The valve of reason is sealed for all Muslims. They are not allowed to question any of their precepts.
As for Krishna, He's a whoremaster since childhood. I am talking abt historical Krishna, not the mythological.
Krishna,
You're trying to slot me as a Muslim. I can live without such affiliations. Pl keep the discussion dignified or choose some other guy for ur lowly language.
The valve of reason is sealed for all Muslims. They are not allowed to question any of their precepts.
As for Krishna, He's a whoremaster since childhood. I am talking abt historical Krishna, not the mythological.
#39 Posted by krishna_abcd on July 23, 2007 1:12:26 am
#36 Posted by HP
[You are really funny. How do you know I am a Muslim? I have never claimed that.
I guess you assume too much and then write stupid stuff.]
You are Muslim by birth. That's enough to make you an "enabler".
[You are really funny. How do you know I am a Muslim? I have never claimed that.
I guess you assume too much and then write stupid stuff.]
You are Muslim by birth. That's enough to make you an "enabler".
#41 Posted by krishna_abcd on July 23, 2007 1:23:15 am
#37 Posted by HP
[That is just so ridiculous. I have not even read Quran. I think your problem is that you just create straw man and then fight them. Do you understand circular logic?]
Here's how circular logic goes -
a) mohammad is the prophet of "allah" - b) therefore he is telling the truth about a winged creature telling him stuff - c) therefore the koran is the word of allah - d) the koran was transmitted to mo - e) this proves that he is the prophet of "allah" - back to a)
It's quite pathetic, really..
[That is just so ridiculous. I have not even read Quran. I think your problem is that you just create straw man and then fight them. Do you understand circular logic?]
Here's how circular logic goes -
a) mohammad is the prophet of "allah" - b) therefore he is telling the truth about a winged creature telling him stuff - c) therefore the koran is the word of allah - d) the koran was transmitted to mo - e) this proves that he is the prophet of "allah" - back to a)
It's quite pathetic, really..
#42 Posted by krishna_abcd on July 23, 2007 1:27:15 am
#38 Posted by Folio
[As for Krishna, He's a whoremaster since childhood. I am talking abt historical Krishna, not the mythological. ]
Although you provide no references, the proof that you are not very bright is as follows:
Even if Krishna had been indeed boinking the ladies, that is irrelevent here - there was no pedophilia involved. But the fact that you bring it up in spite of that, proves that you MUST have been born into a pedophile-worshipping family - that's where your sympathies lie. Like HP here.
In other words, YOU are the fertile soil on which terrorism grows. You are an "enabler".
[As for Krishna, He's a whoremaster since childhood. I am talking abt historical Krishna, not the mythological. ]
Although you provide no references, the proof that you are not very bright is as follows:
Even if Krishna had been indeed boinking the ladies, that is irrelevent here - there was no pedophilia involved. But the fact that you bring it up in spite of that, proves that you MUST have been born into a pedophile-worshipping family - that's where your sympathies lie. Like HP here.
In other words, YOU are the fertile soil on which terrorism grows. You are an "enabler".
#43 Posted by Folio on July 23, 2007 2:17:41 am
Re: # 42
Krishna,
I dont know much abt u but I read all the parvas of Mahabharata and all the kaandas of Ramayana (in childhood).
Now, I dont mind u calling me a Muslim or an enabler.
Krishna,
I dont know much abt u but I read all the parvas of Mahabharata and all the kaandas of Ramayana (in childhood).
Now, I dont mind u calling me a Muslim or an enabler.
#44 Posted by masanamuthu on July 23, 2007 4:11:52 am
I think Islam encourages a lot of things and paedophilia is one among them. you just have to read the reports of rich and old Arabs flying in to Hyderabad, marry poor young Muslim girls (sometimes more than one at the same time), have some fun and then ditch them later, everything sanctioned by the actions of Mohammad and Quran.
Basically, Mohammad was under some mental disorder and his first wife Fatima instead of treating him encouraged/bankrolled his endeavour as the "prophet". Once she is dead, Mohammad could not get the same support and tried to get the same support through different women and picked young women either thru' friends / relatives / war booty.. It is funny if you read Quran ("supposedly Allah's revelations for manking"), it will have many verses devoted to Mohammad's wives and how they should behave etc.etc..
:-)
Basically, Mohammad was under some mental disorder and his first wife Fatima instead of treating him encouraged/bankrolled his endeavour as the "prophet". Once she is dead, Mohammad could not get the same support and tried to get the same support through different women and picked young women either thru' friends / relatives / war booty.. It is funny if you read Quran ("supposedly Allah's revelations for manking"), it will have many verses devoted to Mohammad's wives and how they should behave etc.etc..
:-)
#46 Posted by hamzaad on July 23, 2007 4:19:33 am
HP chutya,
How is a 52 year old man making out with a 9 (or 19) year old girl..
NOT DIFFERENT FROM
.. a 9 (or 19) year old boy making out with a girl of his age?
kaka has even softened the age and activity for you chutya brain to process. Now when Hugh Hefener does it, we call him a playboy. When the main communicator from the creator of the universe does it, can we atleast call it strange.. or a fabrication.. or beyond our understanding.. or 'lets-not-give-chutya-defenses'.
Please choose one.
How is a 52 year old man making out with a 9 (or 19) year old girl..
NOT DIFFERENT FROM
.. a 9 (or 19) year old boy making out with a girl of his age?
kaka has even softened the age and activity for you chutya brain to process. Now when Hugh Hefener does it, we call him a playboy. When the main communicator from the creator of the universe does it, can we atleast call it strange.. or a fabrication.. or beyond our understanding.. or 'lets-not-give-chutya-defenses'.
Please choose one.
#47 Posted by Naqshbandi on July 23, 2007 5:50:33 am
To echoboom,
Thanks. Why should we feel apologetic? Sorry I should have written Muslims and not Sunnis (the reason I did was I've read somewhere that certain Shia ayatollahs allow non-penetrative sexual pleasure from prepubescents. This could just be anti-Khomeini propaganda but I wasn't sure.)
To PM,
I am with you in this in general terms. I think the Ancients had a much more natural and healthy attitude towards sexuality. Teenagers all over the world ARE sexually active and to pretend otherwise and put the age of consent arbitrarily at 16 is just senseless.
Now to your question about if puberty can start at 9. It varies from person to person but I'm sure in some cases it does.
Of course, the other possibility that the traditional hadith reports are mistaken is also possible and the marriage could have taken place much later when Bibi Aisha was 16+.
To all the hinood--I KNEW you would just take this as an excuse to Prophet-bash which is why I am just going to ignore your polytheistic, urophiliac, rantings.
Thanks. Why should we feel apologetic? Sorry I should have written Muslims and not Sunnis (the reason I did was I've read somewhere that certain Shia ayatollahs allow non-penetrative sexual pleasure from prepubescents. This could just be anti-Khomeini propaganda but I wasn't sure.)
To PM,
I am with you in this in general terms. I think the Ancients had a much more natural and healthy attitude towards sexuality. Teenagers all over the world ARE sexually active and to pretend otherwise and put the age of consent arbitrarily at 16 is just senseless.
Now to your question about if puberty can start at 9. It varies from person to person but I'm sure in some cases it does.
Of course, the other possibility that the traditional hadith reports are mistaken is also possible and the marriage could have taken place much later when Bibi Aisha was 16+.
To all the hinood--I KNEW you would just take this as an excuse to Prophet-bash which is why I am just going to ignore your polytheistic, urophiliac, rantings.
#48 Posted by Naqshbandi on July 23, 2007 5:55:10 am
HP,
Islamic theology has specific criteria which are necessary for a Prophet to fulfill.
These include being male, sane, intelligent, sinless, truthful, physically free from any defects, beautiful, of noble lineage, infallible and the ability to do miracles amongst others.
Alhamdulillah, our Beloved fulfilled all these criteria --even on the evidence of his bitterest enemies!
Islamic theology has specific criteria which are necessary for a Prophet to fulfill.
These include being male, sane, intelligent, sinless, truthful, physically free from any defects, beautiful, of noble lineage, infallible and the ability to do miracles amongst others.
Alhamdulillah, our Beloved fulfilled all these criteria --even on the evidence of his bitterest enemies!
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