This Is For The Men Who'll Roll Their Eyes

Chaltahai writes "
Masadi, people live longer, healthier, and are richer now than at anytime before in the history of humanity"

You already received a drubbing from me on this BS claim of yours, more people are living in poverty and dying needlessly due to want, inspite of the means being available to prevent all that, as a direct consequence of US "leadership".

And no, I did understand what he was blabbering about, just as I understand why FOX news is so completely fascinated by "celebrity" news for the purpose of distraction. That I gave the guy an intellectual slap across his fat face, something he could not counter which made his entire show collapse so that he ran off with his entourage without having lunch, is something I will enjoy remembering for a long long time to come...

saimashah #116: "men who now get sex for a dinner, rather than a piece of paper...."

if wishes were horses.......where is this place, where this happens......i am thinking of moving.....

Masadi, people live longer, healthier, and are richer now than at anytime before in the history of humanity. It is all under the US leadership. What upsets you is that the system you abhor is the best option available to humans. Because it fits in directly with human nature.

In a 100 years, china will be leading the same system. I am sure you will be crying about the evil chinese corporate elite from teh 7th circle of hell.

So basically..you didn;t have a clue about what he was saying and ended up talking about the same stupid things you talk about on chowk everyday. No wonder they cut you off. A facility not readily aviable on chowk...YET

and that is all I have to say = )

This is for one of the interactors on the other now lost article, who wanted Mead to hand him my head on a silver platter. Unfortunately for him, it didn't turn out that way..

------------------------------- From the ilog for today----

Attended the seminar with Walter Russell Mead and his entourage today (8/27). As I had mentioned earlier, as part of the cultural technician of the US empire (at the Council on Foreign Relations) he is in the business of cloaking US barbarism abroad in the finest silk, draped with the best available perfume of charity, human rights or alternatively the “city on the hill”. I remained silent during most of the Q&A session. There were a few relevant questions asked about Afghanistan, one person mentioned the “War on Terror” being a US search for “Mega Enemies” after the collapse of the SU, to feed the “Military Industrial Complex”, impressive I thought to myself. During the course of that question, that questioner suggested that more people get killed in automobile accidents in the US than get killed by Terrorism to which Walter Russell Mead condescendingly said “I don’t see the relevance of that to anything at all”. Asadi Sahib saw the opportunity and jumped in ; ) ha ha, fine moment, “Can I show the relevance of that please, I asked”. On being allowed by the moderator, I said, “The relevance of that is quite apparent in that the US has placed as priority #1 on its foreign and domestic policy list something that is less harmful than even automobile accidents. Why not have poverty elimination, health care, auto accident prevention much higher on the priority list, than the so-called “war on terror”.

To this Mr. Mead (the fat a$$ sob) replies, “ Automobile accidents cannot be on the foreign policy list, ha ha even though country x……..”

To which I replied, “Auto mobile accidents was just an example to show that the US is giving priority to things that are not as big or harmful as they are made out to be. How about poverty reduction, things that cause greater harm to humanity if the US is as benevolent as you suggest.”

Then he went to a long diatribe about how fitting into the “world system” (something the damn fool didn’t even understand) has caused a lot of poverty reduction around the world and the US has given Pakistan very favorable trade deals, letting them sell whatever they want and that will result in poverty reduction, and the US is the most generous nation on earth, that gives more than any other country, we outsource our jobs, make our people suffer to give you jobs…..yada yada”

I asked the moderator if I could respond to that and was cut off and told that the time was over . The guy was sweating, he didn’t expect a grilling, he expected gracious bows and man-worship the kind the Indians do with the Americans these days or Manto does with Jinnah.

If I was given the opportunity to respond to his BS, I would have pointed to him that more than 50% of the earth’s population lives below $2 a day thanks to the “world system”, that has historically produced a few winners (nearly all European) and most losers (the colored world). Poverty in the US has gone up during the tenure of GWB, and you cannot convince people of the benevolence of the US, when its own house is in disarray with over 40 million people facing food insecurity, and a health care system that sends millions to an early grave due to delayed or unavailable care, all for the profit motive. I would also have told him that foreign reparations of the TNCs that are doing Pakistan a “favor”, have gone up 900% in the past year but not the paltry wages they pay to the workers or the few they employ that are not even a drop in the Pakistan’s labor force. Next, I would have reminded him that US firms relocate not because the US is benevolent and sacrifices the jobs of its own to get rid of “poverty” but because they want to exploit cheap labor in foreign lands, part of a similar resource theft that took place during colonization and they relocate because unions are weak and wages are low, not because the US is handing out its “coat and cloak” as charity.

Well, I was cut off but I conveyed my point. The look on his face was all I wanted to see. We are not damn fools that you rape us, perpetuate poverty among us, use us and discard us and then want us to worship you like tahmed and hand out chicken tikkas and kulfis. Take your fat a$$ back to the corridors of power in Washington, soon that whore- house will crumble, because all structures built on injustice have shaky foundations….

http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/ethics/de-beauvoir/2nd-sex/index.htm

and you can read The Second Sex

germaine greer and simone de beauvoir are two essential writers to read if one wishes to understand what feminism is deeply. 'the female eunuch' and 'the second sex' are their respective books.

the issue i have with feminism is that it tries to make women identical to men when biologically and physically we are different. if all the women become men what will all the men become? gay?!

actually in the west where most of the things sidra wishes for are already happening to an increasing extent men are having serious identity crises as to their role--research is showing it is even affecting their sex drive negatively!

actually sidra, [lote tree - a beautiful name], most of the things you wish for in this excellent article are already in islam --and most of the things you wish to disappear from society are ills which islam too condemns. the problem is that we as a society only practise those bits of islam which suit us. i can go through every one of your paragraphs and show you that almost all of the values you espouse are actually islamic values.

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Re: # 118

SaimaShah

Excellent analysis! I never thought that a woman can think before I read your posts on this thread. We talk of clash of civilizations, but forget the 'clash of sexes' which the corporations may lead us to, invidiously breaking the very institution of family, the foundation of human civilization.

Re: # 124

Have you tried writing to Feedback. I am sorry it has nothing to do with me.

[#118 by SaimaShah
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Putting on trousers did change a few things; now women got to do a lot more work for a little more money than before. Fashion over the years has become more and more about creating a feminine version of a man rather than anything else. Femininity is reserved for socializing, and masculinity for work. Rather than changing work culture, feminism over the last several decades has changed women. Attempts to emancipate women have sought to change them--to tell them how to say no, how to stand up for themselves and how to walk out of marriages, how to get jobs etc. There have been 0 attempts to educate men directly. Feminism has had a similar focus on women just like religion did. The comparable narratives are : O ye pious women, cover yourself, stay home, while 'prophets' sleep with wives and slaves--strikes one that god speaks from male tongue. And Feminism, 'Emancipated women sleep with who they want, they wear less clothes and they have pride enough to tell men to go to hell if they hurt them' also serves men who now get sex for a dinner, rather than a piece of paper. Neither succeeded in making men less exploitative.***]

And after sex the woman gets knocked up, it will be her child. She may sleep with 10 men, but in case of pregnancy she knows whose child it is: it is her. Male partner OTOH will always be in doubt about paternity. Is this not to women's advantage? They now have choice of men, choice of whose child to bear, choice of whether to have children at all. Men are in a bad deal here. They now have to suggest darkly that they are likely to have more money in future if they already do not have enough of it now. And they have to prove it by economic activity, gifts, roses, dinners etc that they indeed are going to have more money so when a paternity suit is filed for child support woman is assured of major cash.

Saima,

I don't know if this in in your jurisdiction at chowk, but I can't seem to access or post on my ilog nor post on unplugged.

Re: # 121

It is feminismS first of all, and secondly unless you are knowledgeable about feminist scholarship that engages with class, race and religion, I'd shy away from making these silly claims.