An Empowering Verdict!

Re: # 128 I see what you are doing: Copying positive things I wrote, and then adding additional phrases cooked up by your own sick mind("behead kafirs for a limited time only", "pour molten lead into their mouths ONLY when necessary") that I never wrote to make it look like I wrote them too.

Stuka had earlier described you earlier on chowk since he considers you an embarrasment to normal Indians like himself - and I can see he was on the mark.

Re: # 120 Some Indians have a great need to be noticed now that they are here on chowk to do their patriotic duty of arguing with us Pakis, and so will drag India into everything. :-)

Oh, I forgot. tahmed's book will also be chock-full of "universal" messages - that we had NO CLUE about before his book was written. Wise words like "think for yourself", "figure it out yourself", "use your brains, for crissakes", "use rationality and your own good judgement", "behead kafirs for a limited time only", "pour molten lead into their mouths ONLY when necessary" etc.

Re: # 116 Mr. Madani: If stock indices climbed as a result of dictatorships, then US, UK, India stock would be low. Next you will be crediting Musharraf with the sun rising on time every day, as if under a democratic government the sun would rise late, shine less brightly, and demand a bribe.

Re: # 116 Mr. Madani: If stock indices climbed as a result of dictatorships, then US, UK, India stock would be low. Next you will be crediting Musharraf with the sun rising on time every day, as if under a democratic government the sun would rise late, shine less brightly, and demand a bribe.

#109 Posted by mohar11

[OK - why does mullah32 keep insisting that pakis don't like their mullahs, against all evidence and common sense?... it looks like mullahs are more in tune with paki unwashed masses than anybody else, certainly not the so-called "moderate" types like lawyers and what not...

I mean - pakis like sharia, mullahs like sharia... pakis want an islamic republic, mullahs want an islamic republic... so WTF is mullah32 talking about? ]

mullah32 is sitting in a cave waiting for a winged creature to show up (only bats have shown up until now). He is writing HIS version of the holy book which he will claim was transmitted to him by winged creatures in a cave. His version will be full of love and goodwill towards all creatures and peace and non-violence. He's already contracted the Dalai Lama to write a preface.

Re: # 107 Dost Mittar: You mean the print media you have read talks about "mass demonstrations" in support of the mullahs of tribal areas or of lal masjid that are anything like the kind that have come out in support of the democracy movement?? If you have, then indeed you and I read different print media and therefore could you please refer me to the print media that I am missing (no Indian sources please, I have found it as full of bs as most Indian posters on chowk - with a few exceptions of course).

Also, please dont try to reach conclusions based on the print media alone. Leave it for Arjun/JayP to announce on chowk "Pakis bite dogs" and present a cut and paste of a news item that says "Man bites dog in Lahore" as proof. But you dont make that same mistake, and have the humility to leave open the possibility that perhaps there is a lot that you dont understand about a place unless you have lived there for years, or are one of the community. Leave open the possibility that, regardless of the what the print media says, most bites are from dogs to men in Pakistan, and not vice versa. :-)

btw, you seem to think that lal masjid and the tribal areas are the same thing and you wont find the print media understanding that the latter is as remote for the average Pakistani as the other side of the moon, while lal masjid was in the middle of a city in Pakistan. And despite years in the city, lal masjid remained like a foreign outpost in Islamabad - a friend of mine who lived close by thought it was a good idea to have his domestic servant, a teenaged boy, take time off to study at lal masjid. After two months he had to take him out because the servant complained that he was treated like an outsider by the rest of the student and the teachers. Understand this, and you will understand the lack of support to the lal masjid occupants by the locals during the seige - alternatively, assume that the print media you read explains it all and ignore the ground realities I was drawing your attention to.

Re: # 107 Dost Mittar: You mean the print media you have read talks about "mass demonstrations" in support of the mullahs of tribal areas or of lal masjid that are anything like the kind that have come out in support of the democracy movement?? If you have, then indeed you and I read different print media and therefore could you please refer me to the print media that I am missing (no Indian sources please, I have found it as full of bs as most Indian posters on chowk - with a few exceptions of course).

Also, please dont try to reach conclusions based on the print media alone. Leave it for Arjun/JayP to announce on chowk "Pakis bite dogs" and present a cut and paste of a news item that says "Man bites dog in Lahore" as proof. But you dont make that same mistake, and have the humility to leave open the possibility that perhaps there is a lot that you dont understand about a place unless you have lived there for years, or are one of the community. Leave open the possibility that, regardless of the what the print media says, most bites are from dogs to men in Pakistan, and not vice versa. :-)

btw, you seem to think that lal masjid and the tribal areas are the same thing and you wont find the print media understanding that the latter is as remote for the average Pakistani as the other side of the moon, while lal masjid was in the middle of a city in Pakistan. And despite years in the city, lal masjid remained like a foreign outpost in Islamabad - a friend of mine who lived close by thought it was a good idea to have his domestic servant, a teenaged boy, take time off to study at lal masjid. After two months he had to take him out because the servant complained that he was treated like an outsider by the rest of the student and the teachers. Understand this, and you will understand the lack of support to the lal masjid occupants by the locals during the seige - alternatively, assume that the print media you read explains it all and ignore the ground realities I was drawing your attention to.

#120 Posted by cliftonbridge

[where did ahmed accuse india and hindu's? ]

read ahmedmadani's old posts.

I have seen pakis like YLH keep calling us, India, the "beggar" country. I was just listening on CNN to two senators who were telling the Americal public how president mushu-baba has emphasized that in order to eradicate terrorism from his country, America would have to give him money to improve the lot of these people.

It's like "if you don't give us money we'll send suicide bombers at you".

How pathetic is that? At least we Indians don't beg like you guys.

Shame on you Pakis.

i think ahmed made a good point Mush can not be blamed for all illiteracy and injustice in pakistan. where did ahmed accuse india and hindu's?

#116 Posted by ahmedmadani

dear mr. ahmedmadani,

How are your goats? Is your depression under control nowadays? Please provide a detailed analysis of how Hindus and India are to blame for the situation in Pakiland and what Pakiland is going to do about it.

Looking forward to your analysis.

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Al-Qaeda safe haven in Pakistan ‘troubling’: Bush

WASHINGTON: President George W Bush said on Saturday he was troubled by a US intelligence report that al-Qaeda has become entrenched in a safe haven in Pakistan’s tribal region near Afghanistan.

But Bush offered support for Pakistan’s embattled president, saying he believes Pervez Musharraf is committed to fighting al-Qaeda and Taliban militants.

Part of the National Intelligence Estimate made public this week found a “persistent and evolving” threat to the United States from Islamic militant groups, especially Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda.

Bush, in his taped weekly radio address, said the report’s assessment that al-Qaeda was gaining strength in the tribal region of Pakistan was “one of the most troubling.”

Musharraf must contend with a violent campaign by Islamic militants and porous mountain borders that make it hard to halt the flow of fighters, weapons, opium and other drugs.

The White House has acknowledged that a truce Musharraf reached in September with tribal leaders had not worked. Bush, now more than four years into a war in Iraq that has stretched the US military, said Pakistan’s tribal leaders had proven unwilling or unable to police the area themselves.

“President Musharraf recognizes the agreement has not been successful or well-enforced and is taking active steps to correct,” Bush said.

“We will work with our partners to deny safe haven to the Taliban and al-Qaeda in Pakistan ñ or anywhere else in the world.”

Sen John Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat who lost to Bush in the 2004 presidential election, said US intelligence agencies have warned that the Iraq war was diverting attention from al-Qaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

“Our troops and our country need a new policy from this president, not the same old rhetoric,” he said in a statement.

US forces in Afghanistan have carried out strikes in Pakistan, often with missile-carrying Predator drone aircraft, without confirming them so as not to embarrass Musharraf.

I feel this CJ restoration is over done and trival thing is over exposed to trouble general. Its all foolishness. Nothing has changed if you want to drink tead you need to put sugar not writings about "CJ' thing is going to make sweet. These scoundrel lawyers who are hated by poor men will go home and drink cocacola with visky put in and will spend time in hangover. Poor man pulling load like donkey is going to do same with cj or noncj. I am just tired of people blaming general for every wrong thing in country.
While wise people are studying KSE indices, stocks, bonds, treasury, interest rates, rents, real estatate and all good stuff and poor are asked to get happy for CJ thing is whole maddness. Any way all stupid over doing thing, needs to get sleep, good night and good luck.

General if to much pressured can put Bush in trouble. As if he refuses to provide oil for us and nato forces from Attock refinery bush will be in trouble. Also all fuels supply operation carried by native personal. And he can bring it to halt in one minute if he singlas to agencies all supply trucks with fuel will burn like hell. Without oil american army is nothing. Also he can withdraw military assets and tell usa do whatever you want to do, He can plead he has no that many army people so unable to do any thing and let agencies help tribals. All control is not with america pakistan govt may not be able to attack or resist american entrance in tribal areas but can make life miserable to american army. Also if govt denies free access and use of airports to bomb in A.stan to american airmachines can be extremely hardship on usa airmachines. General is little down due lawyers conspiraries and intrigue but he is not out and usa govt knows it so bush has given full support to general. Bush may not be brilliant as some people but he is not fool to become president of usa. Juglar vein of american operations in A.stan is pakistani bases and airfields and oil supply and transportation and musharaff can squeeze littlw and America will yield to pakistan army chief's wishes. Do not think pakistan is powerless in usa pakistan relationship , it is milked schrewdly by general only only general does not want to milk so much as cow dies. General is great army man but more brilliant tactician. Please donot malign or underestimate general as it will be detrimental for fight against terrorists.