An Empowering Verdict!

#109 Posted by mohar11

[OK - why does mullah32 keep insisting that pakis don't like their mullahs, against all evidence and common sense?... it looks like mullahs are more in tune with paki unwashed masses than anybody else, certainly not the so-called "moderate" types like lawyers and what not...

I mean - pakis like sharia, mullahs like sharia... pakis want an islamic republic, mullahs want an islamic republic... so WTF is mullah32 talking about? ]

mullah32 is sitting in a cave waiting for a winged creature to show up (only bats have shown up until now). He is writing HIS version of the holy book which he will claim was transmitted to him by winged creatures in a cave. His version will be full of love and goodwill towards all creatures and peace and non-violence. He's already contracted the Dalai Lama to write a preface.

#120 Posted by cliftonbridge

[where did ahmed accuse india and hindu's? ]

read ahmedmadani's old posts.

I have seen pakis like YLH keep calling us, India, the "beggar" country. I was just listening on CNN to two senators who were telling the Americal public how president mushu-baba has emphasized that in order to eradicate terrorism from his country, America would have to give him money to improve the lot of these people.

It's like "if you don't give us money we'll send suicide bombers at you".

How pathetic is that? At least we Indians don't beg like you guys.

Shame on you Pakis.

i think ahmed made a good point Mush can not be blamed for all illiteracy and injustice in pakistan. where did ahmed accuse india and hindu's?

Re: # 120 Some Indians have a great need to be noticed now that they are here on chowk to do their patriotic duty of arguing with us Pakis, and so will drag India into everything. :-)

#116 Posted by ahmedmadani

dear mr. ahmedmadani,

How are your goats? Is your depression under control nowadays? Please provide a detailed analysis of how Hindus and India are to blame for the situation in Pakiland and what Pakiland is going to do about it.

Looking forward to your analysis.

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Empowered-schempowered..the verdict is in..pakiland will be greasing up and bending over...

Al-Qaeda safe haven in Pakistan ‘troubling’: Bush

WASHINGTON: President George W Bush said on Saturday he was troubled by a US intelligence report that al-Qaeda has become entrenched in a safe haven in Pakistan’s tribal region near Afghanistan.

But Bush offered support for Pakistan’s embattled president, saying he believes Pervez Musharraf is committed to fighting al-Qaeda and Taliban militants.

Part of the National Intelligence Estimate made public this week found a “persistent and evolving” threat to the United States from Islamic militant groups, especially Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda.

Bush, in his taped weekly radio address, said the report’s assessment that al-Qaeda was gaining strength in the tribal region of Pakistan was “one of the most troubling.”

Musharraf must contend with a violent campaign by Islamic militants and porous mountain borders that make it hard to halt the flow of fighters, weapons, opium and other drugs.

The White House has acknowledged that a truce Musharraf reached in September with tribal leaders had not worked. Bush, now more than four years into a war in Iraq that has stretched the US military, said Pakistan’s tribal leaders had proven unwilling or unable to police the area themselves.

“President Musharraf recognizes the agreement has not been successful or well-enforced and is taking active steps to correct,” Bush said.

“We will work with our partners to deny safe haven to the Taliban and al-Qaeda in Pakistan ñ or anywhere else in the world.”

Sen John Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat who lost to Bush in the 2004 presidential election, said US intelligence agencies have warned that the Iraq war was diverting attention from al-Qaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

“Our troops and our country need a new policy from this president, not the same old rhetoric,” he said in a statement.

US forces in Afghanistan have carried out strikes in Pakistan, often with missile-carrying Predator drone aircraft, without confirming them so as not to embarrass Musharraf.

I feel this CJ restoration is over done and trival thing is over exposed to trouble general. Its all foolishness. Nothing has changed if you want to drink tead you need to put sugar not writings about "CJ' thing is going to make sweet. These scoundrel lawyers who are hated by poor men will go home and drink cocacola with visky put in and will spend time in hangover. Poor man pulling load like donkey is going to do same with cj or noncj. I am just tired of people blaming general for every wrong thing in country.
While wise people are studying KSE indices, stocks, bonds, treasury, interest rates, rents, real estatate and all good stuff and poor are asked to get happy for CJ thing is whole maddness. Any way all stupid over doing thing, needs to get sleep, good night and good luck.

Re: # 116 Mr. Madani: If stock indices climbed as a result of dictatorships, then US, UK, India stock would be low. Next you will be crediting Musharraf with the sun rising on time every day, as if under a democratic government the sun would rise late, shine less brightly, and demand a bribe.

Re: # 116 Mr. Madani: If stock indices climbed as a result of dictatorships, then US, UK, India stock would be low. Next you will be crediting Musharraf with the sun rising on time every day, as if under a democratic government the sun would rise late, shine less brightly, and demand a bribe.

General if to much pressured can put Bush in trouble. As if he refuses to provide oil for us and nato forces from Attock refinery bush will be in trouble. Also all fuels supply operation carried by native personal. And he can bring it to halt in one minute if he singlas to agencies all supply trucks with fuel will burn like hell. Without oil american army is nothing. Also he can withdraw military assets and tell usa do whatever you want to do, He can plead he has no that many army people so unable to do any thing and let agencies help tribals. All control is not with america pakistan govt may not be able to attack or resist american entrance in tribal areas but can make life miserable to american army. Also if govt denies free access and use of airports to bomb in A.stan to american airmachines can be extremely hardship on usa airmachines. General is little down due lawyers conspiraries and intrigue but he is not out and usa govt knows it so bush has given full support to general. Bush may not be brilliant as some people but he is not fool to become president of usa. Juglar vein of american operations in A.stan is pakistani bases and airfields and oil supply and transportation and musharaff can squeeze littlw and America will yield to pakistan army chief's wishes. Do not think pakistan is powerless in usa pakistan relationship , it is milked schrewdly by general only only general does not want to milk so much as cow dies. General is great army man but more brilliant tactician. Please donot malign or underestimate general as it will be detrimental for fight against terrorists.

ajeet #: "I tend to disagree. The CJ got the support from the people precisely because, the honeymoon with Mushy was getting sore and there was no other Messiah available."

...i think you may be missing the point......the cj was an unknown entity, prior to this issue....i doubt most pakistanis could have named him.....

.......had this, "honeymoon" been for a known political leader, who was to actually get executive power, your theory would have been correct........however, what executive power does a cj have........none.......he cannot do anything for anyone......he could barely get his own son a govt. job through sifarish (the case against him was based on that)......

........the people came out because they wanted the supremacy of law.......led by the lawyers and media......lawyers came out because they were tired of their institution getting kicked out by the army, and their own leadership - judges - not taking a stand........

as i said, this may be internationally unprecedented.......i have heard of people putting politicians into power.......but i have never heard of people putting a cj back into power.....

.....another ironic part of this is that the whole future of the country was in the hands of a hindu judge....all this was overseen by justice bhagwandas......he could have very well declined and allowed musharraf to push the judiciary into submission.......

Funny how almost everyone has missed the point here.

BJ you said "Fear of mass uprising – or fear of the Bush?! (If you thought the former, guess again!)" ...and pray tell why would Bush be so interested in reinstating a guy who is asking for habeus corpeus for the northwesteners in Bush's war aginst whatever? It is precisely BECAUSE of the mass uprisings and the media coverage which would reach all the way to Washington.

Again, the victory is of a nonviolent well executed unprecedented grass roots movement that won.

Many people are on this CJ honeymoon for the wrong reasons thats true ...and those people will likely be dissappointed pretty soon, some of them have already left the party. This will not result in Mush being sacked or anything else on the MMA agenda ....infact they have little long term gain from this.

Like i said the only long term victors are the ones who belive in a civil (and secular) society.

Dear hamidm sahab ....although a lot of pakistani media coverage is trash, and alot is propaganda but its freer and stronger than its ever been and now i think it will be tough to put the genie back in the bottle. Thats always good for civil society. The price of freedom is that people you dont like will also be free to speak. I accept that.
And about the pin stripe Quran holders...i hope that they will transform the islamist movement and free it from thee the paralyzing stupidity of the other better known kind of mullahs...at this point i actually think i might shoot fazlufuk in the head myself.


Villages in competition to stop education of girls




By Sher Baz Khan

IMAM DERI (Swat), July 21: Seven-year-old Shireena is playing in a stream with some other children at a somewhat unusual pre-noon time on a busy working day. Normally, she stays in her classroom at this hour except during weekends, but today she is not. She is among more than 2,000 unfortunate girls of the area whose parents have decided to take them out of the schools after cleric Maulana Fazlullah issued an edict declaring girls’ education ‘un-Islamic’.

According to some locals, a majority of the girls stopped by their parents from attending schools, were the first in their families to have had the opportunity of getting formal education and Shireena was one of them.

The female education ratio in Imam Deri and the nearby Koza Banda, Bara Banda, Kabal and Char Bagh villages is very low. And things are likely to remain the same with little chances for many families to send their girls to schools after the edict.

Perhaps it was because of the very low literacy rate and vulnerability of the locals to religious propaganda that Maulana Fazlullah chose Imam Deri to build his first markaz — where he wanted to establish his first religious school, his FM radio station and all the facilities to gather people for sermons.

Fazlullah got a befitting response from parents in the area after he declared girls’ schooling un-Islamic.

According to local journalists and some elders, thousands of parents across Swat followed his edict and stopped girls from attending schools.

The maulana has adopted a successful method of putting various villages into competition. He announces a fatwa on his radio station and gives the task to a single village to follow it. Then he announces the number of people from that village who follow the edict and promises them heavenly rewards for taking a step towards the implementation of sharia in the country.

Then he gives the challenge to another village to surpass the first one and the response is always more positive.

“He is playing with the psyche of simple Pakhtuns who want to be ahead of their neighbours in anything that is meant to spread the cause of Islam,” says Hidayatullah Khan of the nearby Kanjo village.

When Fazlullah announced recently that polio vaccination was un-Islamic, he followed the same method and the response was amazing.

On the very first day, parents of about 5,000 children refused to get their sons and daughters vaccinated. The maulana congratulated all those parents on his radio station and appealed to more families to win heavenly rewards.

The next day, the anti-polio teams were denied permission to administer the vaccine to 8,600 children. The third day saw attacks on vaccination teams in many villages.

The same method enabled Fazlullah to collect donations amounting to about Rs400 million for his markaz project, some locals told Dawn. They said the money was never deposited in any bank and, till recently, kept in the basement of the under-construction markaz. They said a large number of women had donated their jewellery for the project.

The radio station has been installed in the building for over a year.

Even after the deployment of 5,000 army and FC men in the Malakand region, the maulana was able to broadcast his recorded messages on Wednesday night, in which he termed the deployment un-Islamic and told the people to wait for his ‘very important’ announcement to be made shortly.

Many people in the nearby Mingora city believe that the maulana will keep on giving edicts on various issues as long as he is in control of the radio station and the markaz.

Fazlullah has vanished from the scene after the army deployment but everything is still in his control.

Though Shireena will tell you how she liked her school and wanted to become a doctor, an increase in girls’ education in the area will remain a dream as long as the maulana is there, issuing edicts, the locals said.

Re: # 111 I have heard similar things from people involved in NGO schools in Pakistan. In the past 20 years in particular, there has been widespread awakening to the value of education for girls in particular among the poor. Parents from remote villages often beg to have schools opened - this was not the case until the end of the 1980's I think.