An Empowering Verdict!

Re: # 116 Mr. Madani: If stock indices climbed as a result of dictatorships, then US, UK, India stock would be low. Next you will be crediting Musharraf with the sun rising on time every day, as if under a democratic government the sun would rise late, shine less brightly, and demand a bribe.

Oh, I forgot. tahmed's book will also be chock-full of "universal" messages - that we had NO CLUE about before his book was written. Wise words like "think for yourself", "figure it out yourself", "use your brains, for crissakes", "use rationality and your own good judgement", "behead kafirs for a limited time only", "pour molten lead into their mouths ONLY when necessary" etc.

Re: # 120 Some Indians have a great need to be noticed now that they are here on chowk to do their patriotic duty of arguing with us Pakis, and so will drag India into everything. :-)

Re: # 128 I see what you are doing: Copying positive things I wrote, and then adding additional phrases cooked up by your own sick mind("behead kafirs for a limited time only", "pour molten lead into their mouths ONLY when necessary") that I never wrote to make it look like I wrote them too.

Stuka had earlier described you earlier on chowk since he considers you an embarrasment to normal Indians like himself - and I can see he was on the mark.

Re: # 109 read my response to dost mittar below.

Re: # 130

Oh, so no beheading kafirs? I thought that WAS in the koran, and I distinctly remember you saying that you believe that the koran is the word of allah.

Re: # 111 I have heard similar things from people involved in NGO schools in Pakistan. In the past 20 years in particular, there has been widespread awakening to the value of education for girls in particular among the poor. Parents from remote villages often beg to have schools opened - this was not the case until the end of the 1980's I think.

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Re: # 130

[Stuka had earlier described you earlier on chowk since he considers you an embarrasment to normal Indians like himself - and I can see he was on the mark.

See the fallacy? :)

Re: # 132 Dont try to wiggle out with clever arguments now that you have been caught lying. Try to be honest instead if you want to be taken seriously.

Re: # 132 Dont try to wiggle out with clever arguments now that you have been caught lying. Try to be honest instead if you want to be taken seriously.

Re: # 137

looks like YOU are the one that's trying to wriggle out. Did you or did you not say that you believe that the koran is the word of "allah".

Re: # 139 Last post to you since I have better things to do with my time than waste with someone trying to be cleverer than his is:

This is what you write Wise words like "think for yourself", "figure it out yourself", "use your brains, for crissakes", "use rationality and your own good judgement", "behead kafirs for a limited time only", "pour molten lead into their mouths ONLY when necessary" etc.

By putting quotes around sentences, you imply you are quoting me. By starting with some positive things I often write on chowk, and then adding phrases I never wrote, you clearly intended to lie.

So you can throw everything I say back in my face by saying it is I who is lying or that it is I who is trying to wiggle out with arguments - anyone with half a brain can figure out which one of us is the liar, which one of us is now trying to cover-up his lies by starting an argument.

Last post.

Romair:

I accept your points on Pakistani armed forces, and their role. My point is that this general has been cornered by the people, whom the U.S. does not want to be removed. Somehow my gut tells me that this is the last general who will come to power by throwing civilian governments - it is my gut feel, as I said.

Considering his accomplishments, he indeed has accomplishments, and that he extracted the best deal, of any general from America for the support. No handing over of AQ Khan, of that Sheikh involved with Danny Pearl killing, rebuilding Pakistani economy, reforming education, women bill etc. It seems that this cornered general may be the best hope for an independent Prime Minister to complete the transition, judiciary has shown Presidential limits, and independence. Newly elected Prime Minister would not be able to do Nawaz Shariff on Judiciary, and restore independence of legislative as well. No puppet PMs. To me this is a sensible roadmap, which is realizable, this can lead to putting the generals back in the barracks. The force that would make it happen is that currently these guns are pointed not toward Arch Enemy - India, but toward internal Pakistan.

My approach is like not shooting the gun holder at this stage, but create forces and situations that will force the gun holder to go back to where he really belongs, the barracks. Civil unrest that can be unleashed if guns remain pointed toward however jehadist civilians for too long. This unrest can be unmaking of Pakistan, as it might drift into fundamentalism rather than make transition toward enlightened reforms.

Judiciary has been freed under this general, next goal should be to free legislative and restore "fair" election process, and finally the executive branch will see the limits in its office. Changing players at this stage to me, looks suicidal.

I am, therefore, for Musharraff.

Re: # 140

I put quotation marks around those statements because those are the things that would be there in your new Koran.

The pre-existing things that YOU HAVE SAID are the words of "allah" plus some of the "universal" messages that "prove" (because how could us humans have thought of these REVOLUTIONARY ideas ourselves?) that koran is clearly transmitted from the bearded dude himself - like "use your own brains, earthlings!" and so on...