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Re: # 140

I put quotation marks around those statements because those are the things that would be there in your new Koran.

The pre-existing things that YOU HAVE SAID are the words of "allah" plus some of the "universal" messages that "prove" (because how could us humans have thought of these REVOLUTIONARY ideas ourselves?) that koran is clearly transmitted from the bearded dude himself - like "use your own brains, earthlings!" and so on...

This Paki website is not working properly. The post from "Reply To This Interact" is not appearing where it should. Maybe they need to outsource the development work to "code coolies" in India?

This will free up more time for reading the koran.

#112 Posted by cliftonbridge on July 22, 2007 10:08:30 am

Bridge, you know that Pakistanis have no well-wishers like me! But I do you or other Pakistanis no favors by sugarcoating. So I won’t.

You are reading me all wrong! Our GWB has no interest in the CJ issue – and he has only limited interest in the Mushy. However, he has every interest in making sure that the war on terror goes on and everyone does everything to ensure that any disruptions – CJ-related or otherwise, do not get in the way.

Mushy does not mind mass uprisings any more than any of the prior khaki regimes did. In fact, Pakistani mass uprisings have traditionally benefited the khakis because then the khakis can shout: “Omigawsh, Pakistan is breaking up, don’t you hear it bursting at its seams?! Quick, we need a savior around here! Hey, guess what – there is no savior like a khaki savior!”

Khakis LOVE a bit of song and dance in the streets! The mullahs are always happy to provide the same. This is a “Ram milaai joaDee” a match made through celestial magic! The two partners shall forever bicker – which two partners do not? – but when push comes to shove, they will extricate each other! And “ye bandhan kabhie bhi tooteyga naa…”!

Yes, Lal masjid was a disruption! Guess who allowed to build it up?!

But cracking on the black coats right after lal masjid would have been another disruption.

One disruption is barely acceptable – two disruptions in a row is a problem! GWB would not like it. So the Mushy decides to let this one slip by. But if anybody here thinks that he has changed his thinking on issues or has tempered his ambitions – you have been chomping Hamidm’s adrakh and slurping HP’s booze a bit too long!

Please note – there is no victory for those who are celebrating “victory” at this time! The khakis have made their point – they can pull a fast one any time they wish – and there are no penalties as long as they keep a few people satisfied – starting with our very own numero uno!

Where is the insaaf for the people who got killed – some for just doing their duty?! Where is the insaaf for all the pro-democracy protesters? That insaaf will come – but when? I will tell you when – the month after the khakis publish the Hamidur Rahman report and all those other reports that have yet to see daylight!

And Bridge, the sad truth is that Gandhiji would have been very proud of this “agitation” by Pakistani lawyers – and he would have been even more proud of their non-violent methods.

And the sad truth – as every Pakistani knows in his or her heart is – the very creation of Pakistan was a death knell into the idea that he stood for! The techniques used for creating it were sheer evil and everything that has happened there since its creation has been nothing short of the dance of evil!

It was a potent poison – Pakistani awaam has had too many swigs of it!

What killed Gandhiji was not the hail of bullets that pierced his chest – it was the victory of sectarian selfishness that ruled the subcontinent when he was alive!

And which still rules!

down doggie down...no bone for you...

Pak top brass talks with US to avert attacks

Shaiq Hussain
ISLAMABAD - In the backdrop of fierce clashes between the army, paramilitary forces and militants in North Waziristan, Pakistan’s top security brass is engaged in intense negotiations with senior officials in Washington to avert possible US attacks on the restive tribal belt.
Strong indications from the US capital suggest growing restlessness among the security cadres over the surge in violence in Pakistan’s tribal belt and the alleged regrouping of Al-Qaeda and Taliban there.
The diplomatic circles here believe that the Bush administration was under increased pressure to mount assaults against the Al-Qaeda and Taliban militants in Waziristan from Afghanistan.
They said that in such a worrisome scenario, Pakistan was all out in its contacts with the top officials in Bush administration to avert possible military action from the US led allied forces on its soil fearing it would lead to catastrophic repercussions.
Sensing the urgency and seriousness of situation, Pakistani security forces on Sunday targeted the militants and killed six Taliban fighters in North Waziristan where the overnight battles left 13 miscreants dead.
After the scrapping of North Waziristan peace deal few days back by the militants that Pakistan had reached at with the tribesmen last year, the military and paramilitary forces have been trying their best to control the spiraling violence.
A diplomatic source said that Islamabad had been trying to impress upon the Bush administration that any attack on Waziristan or any other tribal area from outside would only add to the militancy in Pakistan.
“Pakistani officials have been urging restrain during their interaction with the US.
Authorities while telling them that Islamabad’s policy of talks for the revival of North Waziristan peace deal along with the use of force when and where it is required must be given a chance as it would bear fruits,” he said.

Jin pay takiya ttha vohi pattay hava denay lagay!

Benazir is ditching Mushy:


Deal with Musharraf to damage PPP, says Benazir

By M. Ziauddin

LONDON, July 22: Former prime minister Benazir Bhutto has said that any deal with President Gen Pervez Musharraf in the present scenario will be damaging to her Pakistan People’s Party.

She said she is planning to return home early, tentatively in September.

In an interview published in the Sunday Times, she said the logic for a political deal that she had been contemplating with Gen Musharraf had been significantly weakened by the Supreme Court’s decision last week to reinstate Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry.

Any deal now with the general would be unpopular and damaging to her Pakistan People’s Party, she said. “He has lost his moral authority.

“His popularity rates are down and it would be very unpopular if we saved him. We would lose votes by being associated with him,” she said.

Ms Bhutto said the Supreme Court had reasserted the independence of the judiciary and the newly strengthened courts could topple Gen Musharraf through rulings on whether he could be appointed twice by the same assembly and whether he could continue to serve as both president and army chief of staff.

Critics said the real reason for the suspension of the Chief Justice had been that Gen Musharraf believed Justice Iftikhar would overrule his plans to be reappointed by the current parliament, in which he had a majority, rather than wait for a new assembly that was due to be elected by the end of this year.

The only circumstances in which Ms Bhutto might still consider an arrangement would be if she felt it necessary to guarantee fair parliamentary elections on time.

Ms Bhutto will wait to see if Gen Musharraf goes through with his plan to be reappointed by the assembly before deciding whether to abandon discussions with him.

She is, therefore, making plans for an early return to challenge plans by Gen Musharraf to secure a new term as president without waiting for elections.

Speaking in London, Ms Bhutto, who risks arrest on corruption charges on her return to Pakistan, said she felt that going home would be less hazardous than previously thought and she would make a final decision on the date next month.

“I said I would return by December, but now my people tell me we should go to court in regard to my return, and that I should come back as soon as possible, maybe in September. We will decide at a party meeting at the end of August,” she said. “I feel safer about returning after the Supreme Court’s decision.”

The reinstatement of the popular chief justice has left Gen Musharraf more isolated than at any time since he seized power in 1999.

This weekend Gen Musharraf was locked in emergency meetings with cabinet colleagues, plotting a strategy to save his leadership.

If he seeks a mandate from the current parliament but is overruled by the Supreme Court, he will be forced to hand over the presidency to a caretaker.

Ms Bhutto’s advisers are preparing to challenge his right to continue wearing his army chief’s uniform while serving as president, and are seeking to restore millions of voters to the electoral roll. They will also ask for a ruling on whether Ms Bhutto should be released if she is arrested when she returns to Pakistan.

Gen Musharraf’s strongest domestic ally in his war on the country’s militants has been Ms Bhutto. Despite public criticism of Gen Musharraf by US officials, they still believe that he is essential to hopes of restoring stability to the country. They also believe that he needs a deal with Ms Bhutto to make headway and restore democratic legitimacy.

The options:

A comeback by Benazir Bhutto: Likely, but she faces an uphill struggle to become prime minister again. She can nominate a colleague as prime minister while calling the shots as party boss.

Early election: Unlikely. Gen Musharraf will have to announce elections next week so that they can be held three months later, just before his term ends.

An army coup: Cannot be ruled out. There are rumblings in the ranks.

A return to barracks: Musharraf can choose to abandon politics, though his successor as president may regard him as a threat as chief of staff and pension him off.

This is why this CJ reinstatement is an absolute non-issue with the power that is master of Pakistan...............

July 22: White House would consider direct assaults in Pakistan
Frances Townsend, the White House homeland security adviser, signaled today that the Bush administration would consider direct assaults on al-Qaeda hideouts in Pakistan.

Townsend was asked on "Fox News Sunday" why the United States isn't sending Special Forces, attack drones and anything else it can to wipe out al-Qaeda. She replied, "Just because we don't speak about things publicly doesn't mean we're not doing many of the things you're talking about."

She added, "Job number one is to protect the American people, and there are no options that are off the table."

A National Intelligence Estimate released Tuesday reported that al-Qaeda has grown stronger, in part because it has established "a safe haven" in northwest Pakistan, in the Federally Administered Tribal Area that is beyond the national government's control.

Pakistani Foreign Minister Kurshid Kasuri warned on CNN's "Late Edition" against the White House bypassing the Pakistani military in any operation.

"If you have superiority in technical intelligence, please share that with us," he said. "And then you talk of going after targets -- you will lose the war, the battle for hearts and minds. It is much better to rely on Pakistan['s] army. Pakistan['s] army can do the job much better, and the result will be that there will be far, far less collateral damage."

Kasuri added, "People in Pakistan get very upset when, despite all the sacrifices that Pakistan has been making, you know, you have the sort of questions that are sometimes asked by the American media" about whether Islamabad is doing enough to fight terrorists.

Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.), appearing on Fox, called into question whether Pakistan has the ability to defeat al-Qaeda. But he added that the United States had to be careful in acting on its own. "If it is clear that we're going into their national territory, we run the risk of undermining a regime that has been one of our allies in this struggle," Bayh cautioned.

Appearing later on CNN, Townsend said the United States has provided intelligence to Pakistan. "We work quite closely with them," she said. "While I understand [Kasuri's] anger, we should also be clear that we believe Pakistan has been a very good ally in the war on terrorism."

But she added, "No question that we will use any instrument at our disposal to deal with the problem of Osama bin Laden and [bin Laden deputy Ayman al-]Zawahiri and al-Qaeda."

Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf decided to strike a "political solution" with tribal leaders to kick al-Qaeda out of the region, national intelligence director Mike McConnell said on NBC's "Meet the Press." Instead, "the people who live in these federally administrated tribal areas ... made a safe haven for training and recruiting."

McConnell said that Pakistan's help has been central to U.S. efforts to capture and kill al-Qaeda's leaders, but he believes bin Laden is living in the country.

#53 by cliftonbridge

The bad mullah element has clarified things by trying to blow up CJ supporters, its clear that they (the murderers) have left the party, now i am totally unreserved in my glee at what was a great victory not only for pakistanis but for justice and civil society believers everywhere.

I don't think so. The Mullahs had no reason to bomb the CJ's supporters. Since the bomber blew up near the PPP stall, it is clear who the target was. It is more likely that The Mullahs were upset at the PPP's lack of opposition to the Army action at Lal Masjid.

Right Question

The pakistanis are against the US bombing waziristan terrorists. Then they say that it will lead to violent reaction through out pakistan. Who are these people that plan to react violently, they should be the supporters of wazi terrorists.

When lal majid was attacked, the quick response came from NWFP. So the conclusion is simple, islamabad to the frontier, the same jihadis, the same command structure.

It is time that the americans tested this fear theory. If there is violent reaction all over pakistan, bomb them all, it will not take much time for a B52 to fly from NWFP to isalmabd, and it will be a good demo for the pak army, they took ten days to attack a simple building, which a daisy cutter will do in seconds.

This will show once and for all whether the taliban is wide spread as I have been maintaining all along, or it is frontier issue.

I really look forward to the bombing of wazi. It will p[rove once and for all, my assertion that jihadis are general purpose killers, they have no political inclings, who ever the mullah tells to kill, a jihadi will kill.

Here we go again. The all weather friend of pakistan, islamic republics closest friend is communist, is the final nail in the cofin of what Jinnah created. The pakistanis have no shame in declaring china as the all weather friend, all that matters is yuan for the military and the tahmeds of pakistan have buried jinnahs great ideal of an islamic republic.

Se what they are doing on top for yuan, killing their own brothern.

The lal majis guys have hit a few birds with one bullet, literally by capturing the chinese.

LONDON: The Chinese Muslims of the oil-rich Xinjiang province, who are being handed over to China by the Pakistani regime since 9/11, are being swiftly executed by firing squads after forced confessions and summary trials, reveals a report in the British media.

A Western secret agency officers have told the Sunday Times that the real concern was that Chinese repression of the Muslims was creating recruits for terrorism. It said China has persuaded Pakistan and Kazakhstan to hand over captured militants for interrogation, secret trials and execution, a policy that may have fuelled the fundamentalist rage now gripping Pakistan, claims a report in the Sunday Times.

A Chinese student Ismail Semed – the father of seven-year-old son and six-year-old daughter – who was captured by Pakistani intelligence agencies from a Rawalpindi college where he was studying, was later handed over to China where he was shot in his heart the other day after two judges sentenced him to death.

Todays Bum b Blast........

Last Updated: 23/07/2007 06:35
Bomb wounds five in Pakistan

A roadside bomb wounded five paramilitary soldiers on patrol in Pakistan's restive North Waziristan tribal region today.

Violence intensified in the region bordering Afghanistan after militants scrapped a peace deal with the government two weeks ago.

The remote-controlled bomb struck a vehicle carrying the soldiers in the Dosali area, some 40 kilometres south of Miranshah, North Waziristan's main town.

After the explosion, a local official said he saw several helicopter gunships circling the area.

The attack happened hours after two rocket attacks on a security post in a nearby town late on Sunday night.

Pakistan's Waziristan region has long been regarded as a safe haven for al-Qaeda and Taliban militants sheltered by militant ethnic Pashtun tribesmen.

Re: # 151 I notice I am never very far from your thoughts, you smoldering man from India. What an honor. :-)

As for your assurance that the "the final nail in the cofin of what Jinnah created.": Keep repeating this every day, and maybe some god flying past you will decide to make your deepest desires come true. Either that...or some good samaritan walking past you will take pity on you and put you in the insane asylum for the medical treatment you and all other smoldering Indians on chowk so badly need.

Chowk Staff: I see that, like the Chief Justice in Pakistan, the Interact Index on chowk has also been reinstated. Thus proving that you heard the voice of the people on chowk that sought this reinstatement. Thanks. :-)

... to all the hateful, and still horrible, hindoos on chowk,

...... just like your old president, your new president is butt ugly ... if it hadn't been for the grace of god and jinnah's foresight, she could have been our president ... even when she is having a bad hair day, or has been beaten up by asif zardar, benazir looks much much better ....... i would suggest you guys should immediately install sonia gandhi as pm to win this battle ...... even nawaz sharif with his new hair transplant looks like a million bucks compared to manmohan singh - who dragged in that rat ? ...

.... and jayp, you are so ugly that the doctor slapped your mama when you were born !

#155 Posted by hamidm2

the moment half-breeds like this one starts foaming & frothing from all avlb orifices in their persona, its shut-eyes time......

Re:#155 Posted by hamidm2 on

((((.... and jayp, you are so ugly that the doctor slapped your mama when you were born !))))

hamid....doesnt jay need a license to be that ugly?? jay is so ugly that you can borrow his face when your ass goes on holiday.The amazing thing about jay is that he still worships nature desoite what nature did to him.

hamidm2

Dude - that was years ago when the ugly madrasi general scre@ed your father's petite pathan a## - you are still carrying the grudge?... it's time to move on... :)