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The Future of Iraq

Bhaskar Dasgupta July 21, 2007

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#13 Posted by beady on July 25, 2007 3:06:23 am
#1 Posted by iron_mask

no, nothing new, my friend. This has been said before and I am sure will be said even more going forward. Just couple of points, you need to think about how the Yazdi's and the fast diminishing number of christians fit into this picture.

Secondly, within the sunni's, you have the tribal structure, the international jihadi networks, and the secular ex baathist structure, broadly speaking, there are many more fissures.

I spoke with couple of senior G3's here in London who had rotated out of Iraq, and listening to them was absolutely bizarre. These chaps are using latest organisational mapping software to determine how and where to deploy funds (usually cash out of the back of a hummer) and i saw one printout. In one province, ANBAR, they had more than 60,000 people to whom they were distributing cash. Each of these guys were supposed to be identified as a "stakeholder". That's how far down the divisions go! So the theorising has a point, the theory is being applied on the ground, the results are for all of us to see.
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#12 Posted by harish_hyd on July 25, 2007 12:05:17 am
#10 by Ranjit

By having homogenous partitions, the Iraqis have a fighting chance to be democratic in each of these partitions.

Are you sure it will happen? Because closer home not too long ago, the justification used was the same, but it didn't work at all except in the case of India.
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#11 Posted by HP on July 24, 2007 11:47:06 pm

Interestingly, no one was concerned about Iraq’s future in 2002 or even before that but after the US forces have destroyed that country inside out, we are talking about Iraq’s future.

Foreign intervention of the kind of magnitude that Iraq saw would destroy any country’s future. In the 90s the US destroyed the future of a country in Eastern Europe and that one country now perhaps is three countries. The US destroyed the future of a country right in front of our eyes and now we are debating its future without discussing what the US intervention based on lies did to it. More important than the country Iraq itself, are the people of Iraq. What is their future? The Iraqi Middle class has pretty much left the country and is now holed out in refugee camps in Syria and other neighboring countries.

Every plan that the US had for Iraq had failed before it got any traction. Surge hasn’t worked, the Maliki kind of democracy hasn’t worked, the friendship with the Shias hasn’t worked and now claims of friendship with the Sunnis wont work.

Strangely, after four years of presence, the US claims that the Alqaeda is more powerful in Iraq than it ever was during the Sadam regime. The tacit acceptance of failure by the US admin and the US military is astonishing.

Iraq will have a future when the US gets out of there. With such an inept admin in the White House, the question of US future perhaps is more appropriate.



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#10 Posted by Ranjit on July 24, 2007 11:31:08 pm
"If Iraq falls apart into three parts, the Shia, Sunni and Kurd parts, then the Middle East is going to go up in flames"

This is a cliche that is repeated ad nauseum by the media. Why cant there be an orderly partition of Iraq into three countries? If that country is such an artificial entity, just break the damn thing up into its natural pieces. At least they will stop suicide bombing each other and random killing of 30-40 people every day. Then the UN and NATO can send in peacekeepers to manager their borders. The populations in the mixed areas can be transferred in or out in a systematic manner under international supervision. By having homogenous partitions, the Iraqis have a fighting chance to be democratic in each of these partitions.

Lets look at the issue of foreign intervention in a post partition Iraq. To begin with, Arabs have zero unity. Iraqi sunnis, will not want to be taken over by Syria or Jordan who belong to different tribes. Similarly the Iraqi shias are arabs and not persians. They have no natural desire to unite with Iran. They may form an alliance like Nepal and India but thats about it. If Iran attacks the Shia part or Turkey attacks the Kurd part or Syria attacks the Sunni part, then the NATO forces and United Nations peacekeepers will step in. In fact, these peacekeepers can not only manage the borders between the 3 new states, but also the borders with their better known neighbors.

Lets face it - Iraq is just like Yugoslavia where croats, serbs and bosnians were fighting like cats and dogs. They were separated and given well defined borders under the Dayton Accords. That stopped all the violence that we routinely saw in Sarajevo. We certainly didnt see Russia or Turkey or any other neighbor step in and take sides in any broader conflict, mainly because of the presence of the UN peackeepers and NATO troops.

If Bush had one tenth of the IQ that Clinton had, he would have got this done years back. Instead he is wasting lives and treasure trying to create a secular democracy amongst these barbarians.
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#9 Posted by TahirQazi on July 24, 2007 8:48:52 pm

Dear Bhaskar:

Interesting article indeed.

I did not look at the divide in Iraq with as much emphasis on sectarianism as you did. May be your vantage point is valid. My reservation is based on the idea that the conflict in Iraq (if one places primary emphasis on ‘sectarianism’), does not predict the misgivings of Kurds even though they are mainly Sunnis. Along this line of reasoning, they should have allied with Sunnis if sectarianism were the root-cause of conflict. One has to change the yardstick from sectarianism to regionalism to explain Kurd issue.

Anyways, I had written about Iraq issue some months ago that the CHOWK staff decided not to publish for whatever reason. It was published as featured article on "Axis of Logic" and some other places. I am taking liberty to copy and paste it below for sharing with you. Like always, thanks.

Tahir Qazi
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Iraq
Fight for "Black-Blood" of Global Economy in Iraq
By Tahir M. Qazi, MD
Jan 13, 2007, 17:22

Hidden behind the smoke of firing guns and chaotic scenes in Iraq is the greedy face of Multinational Corporations and their political patrons, who have been waiting to make a killing in the oil fields of Iraq. Oil exploration and extraction used to be a state enterprise of Iraq during Saddam Hussein's rule. With Saddam Hussein through the gallows, one obstruction is cleared.

Oil, the "Black-Blood" of Global Economy, is an Iraqi natural resource. But the draft legislation is on the table to be presented to the Iraqi parliament to sign it into a law. It is currently being termed as "Hydrocarbon Law". This law will allow oil-hawks to take a bigger bite out of the energy resource in the war ridden and collapsed state of Iraq. It is going to be called Production Sharing Agreement (PSA). Common practice for investments is to offers rights for extraction for 10-15 year whereas in case of Iraq it may be up to 30 years. Until the costs of a project have been recovered oil companies would be allowed to keep 70% of the profit. Elsewhere 40% would be a standard. Once the costs are recouped the companies' share falls to 20%, which is still double other comparable agreement.

There were prophetic voices in the world alarming about greed for oil when WMD-danger was being moved as an argument for invasion of Iraq. British and the US high officials, at that time, had vehemently denied any intentions of controlling Iraqi oil. Tony Blair went to the extent of saying that Iraqi oil should be put into a trust fund to be run by UN for Iraqis. Obviously, it seems that the promises made before the war have been conveniently forgotten.

There are vast oil reserves in many parts of the world. Iraq has about 115 billion barrels, the second largest in the world. Despite the present violence there, it appears to be most promising for future profits. Elsewhere there are hindrances like tight controls of states, limitations on extraction of oil as in Venezuela by Hugo Chavez, and high cost of drilling out of North America etc. These are few factors for looking at huge oil fields in Iraq where the oil geological stratum is not too far deep under the surface. It will translate into the lowest cost of extraction in the whole world.

In a scenario where cost of extraction remains the same as the selling price is not a viable business strategy, to state the obvious; projections in case of Iraq are that there will be high yield with good profit margins. Oil corporations have always been aware of this fact. This fact alone makes the core of US Middle East foreign policy that was turning progressively hawkish against Iraq over the decades, partly due to the absence of polarity in the world that former Soviet Union provided and partly due to Saddam Hussein's nationalism-based opposition to opening oil fields to private corporations for extraction of oil.

Fast forward to the present; the US did not anticipate such a stiff resistance in Iraq against the most powerful military in the world. It has made the US rethink the course by which private oil companies could be offered security in the future Iraq. While Saddam's fate from tribunal to gallows was fast moving towards its destiny, counseling and consultancy for draft of legislation that is soon to be presented to the legislative body, was being provided by the US to Iraqi administration to ensure opening oil fields well before such recommendations appeared in the Baker-Hamilton Commission Report on Iraq (Recommendations 62 & 63).

The importance of this fact alone can be understood by the fact that the Baker-Hamilton Report frequently talks about the US interests and specifically refers to oil on second page of its opening, "It has the world's second-largest known oil reserves".

Nonetheless, the draft bill that has been obtained by Dow Jones Newswire Service and also widely published by The Independent newspaper details some interesting key elements that can help foresee the future of Iraq.

There was one bill passed by the Kurdistan Regional Government in December claiming rights to oil of the region. What is interesting is that the Hydrocarbon Law currently under consideration by Iraqi administration precludes any regional control of oil and stipulates control from Baghdad.

It sows the seed of future conflicts because the Kurdish authority has already signed agreements with several small oil and gas companies, including U.S.-based Calibre Energy Inc., Norway's Det Norske Olje Selskap, and Turkey's Petoil and has signed memoranda of understanding with Australia's Woodside Petroleum Ltd., Canada's Heritage Oil Corp., and the U.K.'s Sterling Energy PLC.

The part of Iraqi hydrocarbon law, the way it has come open to the media that describes Baghdad's control of oil has important implications for the future: It means Iraq will not be divided into three regions as has advocated by many including presidential candidate for 2008 Joseph Biden, Senator from the State of Delaware. Since Baghdad wishes to maintain control on oil, there is a good possibility of friction between center and Kurdistan and a civil war that has engulfed Baghdad may spread towards northern areas of Iraq.

If a favorable deal is reached between Baghdad and Kurdistan, it will serve as precedence for southern Shiites who will find it hard to stay alienated from control unless special guarantees are offered to them, which in turn would not fare well with Sunnis, located in central Iraq.

In short, according to an old adage, "There are no friends in oil politics, only enemies and competitors" rings true in the case of Iraq also. Such fears validate predictions that the US would fight viciously to stay in Iraq and that the black-blood of industrial civilization is firmly in the grips of capitalism for the foreseeable future. It also measures willingness of the US to trade human blood for its greed for oil.

[This article is dedicated to my niece Sarah Choudhry, with love.]
Authors e-mail: tahir.qazi@yahoo.com

© Copyright 2007 by AxisofLogic.com
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#8 Posted by Folio on July 24, 2007 7:50:22 pm
There are no more Nehrus in this world to save us from the tyranny of the likes of George Bush. Alas!

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#7 Posted by KaalChakra on July 24, 2007 4:18:35 pm
Hmmmm, Dash_Dot, I would be only guessing here. I know nothing about Arab culture as such.

Is there any Islam which is not Arabic ideology or Arabic Emperium? Ofcourse! Iranians aren't very fond of the Arabs at all. The Turks, the Malaysians, the Indonesians, the Black Muslims, and the European Muslims all do whatever they do without paying yearly tributes to the current Arab regimes or without entirely giving up their own cultures.

But I also don't believe that any of these are stable or not ill-fitting in their respective contexts. None of them is viable or durable in the least. Only time will tell whether that is true or not.

Islam will become clearly distinguishable from Arabic ideology and Emperium when (1) Islam can be known for sure without people caring for the fine points of Arabic language (say, local translations of the Quran become popularly accepted as authentic), and (2) the practices, preferences, and histories of Arabic men and women stop beign relevant to defining Islam for the masses.

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Why did Islamic civilization flourish in all those places? I can speculate based on basic facts.

Islam is centrally concerned with the acquisition and maintenance of temporal power in the hands of the Islamically righteous Muslim men, with Muslim women as their primary support mechanism. And it is concerned about the centralization of that power.

It's byproducts are stability, uniformity, and Islam's own version of justice. (this is all theory, in practice, no ends are ever fully achieved)

WHEREVER and IF creativity and rich cultural/intellectual traditions are ALREADY present, the above (stability, uniformity, and some framework of justice) can create an environment for strong civilizational efflorescence to the extent basic Islamic framework is not directly contradicted.

Well, that's my speculation. Subject to complete and total revision. Would love to know your views.
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#6 Posted by Dash_Dot on July 24, 2007 2:44:01 pm
#5 contd

what we are seeing today is the advance of "arabic ideology" not the islamic civilisation as we have known for "sadiyon". This is the Arabic Emperium which the likes of little zeemax and co are trying to impose on the world.

Just a thought I could be wrong, what are your thoughts on this.
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#5 Posted by Dash_Dot on July 24, 2007 2:37:43 pm
Re: # 4

Wheel O Time have you ever wondered why the so-called Islamic Civilisation flourished in

(a) Mesepotamia
(b) anatolia
(c) Persia
(d) India (indian-subcontinent)
(e) egypt
(f) iberia

and did not in the place it started?

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#4 Posted by KaalChakra on July 24, 2007 10:50:46 am
Dash_Dot

Trust you to be a most alert reader! More often than not, one gets away without having to provide long-winded explanations. :)

That (yatha raja, tatha praja) is the actual, more traditional Indian form of the idiom. But like all other ancient Indian wisdom, it assumes a specifc cultural framework. To keep it valid outside of the one society for which it was written, IMHO, we must go to the more basic principle of leadership: that (native/organic) leaders mostly carry forward the dharma (the order and the ideals) of their societies. If we notice, that's what ancient teachers repeatedly exhort leaders to do, and the leaders themselves aim for.

So for the most part, the ideals of leaders reflect the ideals of the societies they lead. At a basic level, yatha praja, tatha raja.

Once ideals have been determined, however, in practice, depending upon their own personalities, some leaders succeed well, some go overboard, some fail miserably. That then affects their socities. And in that much, yatha raja, tatha praja is true.
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In the middle East, it's doubtful there would be (or would arise) too many significant native/organic leaders propagating the idea and the ideals of liberal democracies (in the sense you understand the concept). So the argument that the place would be different IF the leaders were different seem a little moot.


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#3 Posted by Dash_Dot on July 24, 2007 9:00:48 am
wheel o time why not

yatha raja tatha praja

in the case of the arc of cresent this appears to be the case....
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#2 Posted by KaalChakra on July 24, 2007 7:52:16 am
Beedy, you pull fewer punches in this article, so it is more realistic.

To an outside casual observer, Iraq seems to be just another society of suicide bombers and potential suicide bombers. The whole fun of being suicide bombers would be lost if people had to make do with liberal democracies.

(You do, again, place too much importance on the presence/absence of 'leaders.' Believe me, that most ancient dicum of "yatha praja, tatha raja" has never been bettered.)
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#1 Posted by iron_mask on July 24, 2007 2:01:13 am
BD nothing new in what you say. Iraq will survive but in 3 parts - federated, co-federated, confederated, unitary or seperate. What is crucial is not what we want, but what they want? Right now Kurds cannot stand the sunnis and shias (first is hated more than the second), the shias - the Sunnis and Kurds (first is hated more than the second), and the sunnis both the shias and kurds in equal measure and would love to see these guys finished off so that they can join their brothers south.

Love is kind of passe here. All the theorising is moot.

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