The Future of Iraq

The author writes "That’s when Allah/God and other assorted deities and divinities need to step up to the plate and knock some sense into the warring groups and parties "

Allah needs to knock some sense into your dimwit mind. When an invader has destroyed civil society, the rule of law, all state authority (except now in the Green Zone), you expect chaos to reign supreme following in the footsteps of the invader's "rule by the gun". There was no sectarian violence of the kind under the various Iraqi regimes pre US invasion, even though foreign elements tried to ferment such conflict. The cause of this conflict is firmly placed with the American invaders. Also there are no Hindus of any substantial number living in Iraq to call for "an assortment of dieties and divinities" (you idiot).

When no effort has been made to reconstruct Iraq, or make the Iraqi people sovereign and when the shadow of the invaders, who want chaos to rein, is always hanging over their heads, we expect violence and sectarianism. Peace requires a structure to reign, that structure was taken away by barbarous foreign invaders.

Just today this appeared in the news
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WASHINGTON AFP - Iraq’s ambassador to the United States Wednesday launched a withering attack on what he said was US slowness to provide basic weaponry to his country’s ill-equipped armed forces.

Samir Sumaidaie said the foot-dragging was inexplicable given President George W. Bush’s oft-stated desire for Iraqi forces to “stand up” and so allow US troops to withdraw from the frontlines.

Rejecting suggestions that the Pentagon is reluctant to allow high-tech US weaponry to fall into Iraqi hands, the ambassador told reporters “we’re not talking about nuclear submarines” but basic arms like automatic rifles.

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Why do you think the US is not giving basic arms to the Iraqi military? Because they do not trust them, they know that those people, who themselves hate invaders and wanted them to leave regardless of their sect, will turn on the invaders armies every opportunity they get. The US is afraid, soon it will get its fat a$$ kicked out of Iraq, so it is trying to ferment a similar civil war in Pakistan...

"take France, USA, UK, Japan and India, strongly democratic countries, with a strong national ethos superseding any racial, religious, economic, ethnic, linguistic, political, sociological or anthropological grouping "

More BS by the author, the USA has a long history of racial segregation and oppression that exists to this day, Japan was US restructured/occupied and is a more or less homogeneous country. India has a long history of sectarianism, and the UK and France a long history of colonization based on race and skin color, as well as the current policy of ghettoizing people that don't look like them, maybe the author has forgotten the Arab riots in France. These countries practice democracy in name only, look the condition of the vast majority in India, what have they gained from this facade of "democracy", not much, same is the case of the tens of million of the poor in the USA. Did UK not go to the war as America's sidekick even though the vast majority opposed it? Come on, you are hiding the fact that homogeniety under a national flag was achieved by the elite in these countries are perpetrating the most barbarous of crimes and carnage, those are parts of their adjustments to make the vast majority of humanity subservient to the status quo that benefits them....

Beady, (and Kaalchakra)

on another thread, there was an interesting interact from Wheel O Time regarding "faith".

This is an important factor here. The people int he country need to have faith in

(a) Democracy
(b) leadership

Democracy is just not simply a numbers game (as our dear friend Masada Complex (who ever came up with this name must be rewarded) seems to think. Many countries, peoples seems to think that this what it is - a numbers game. You need to recognise that democracy is far more than just simply a numbers game.

Leadership : the people must have confidence in the leadership that it can deliver (within the constraints they have eventhough they might have promised heaven to the people), and that the leadership itself is totally committed to democracy. It is this second aspect which is missing in most cases.

Present day Iraq is no different. You have the mullahs who think democracy is a numbers game, and you a venal iraqi leadership which is seen to be paying lip service to democracy. And in between the two, the people do whatever they can to make ends meet, and to save up for a rainy day. Hence that story yougave about the jeep loads of money and doling it out, and hence my comment Yatha Raja Tatha Praja.

by complete cleansing, I did not menat it in the sense of debathification, but really one of educating the population and the leadership about the deeper meaning of democracy and peoples rule.

My tuppence for a long time. BTW you did not give me the info I asked some time back.......
cheers

#35 "Democracy is just not simply a numbers game (as our dear friend Masada Complex (who ever came up with this name must be rewarded) seems to think "

Yeah according to this miserable fcuk, democracy is about indoctrinating the public through the media, giving them limited choices among a bunch of elite thugs, then determining the agenda, making money raising and sloganeering the be all and end all of campaigns, and then staying with the agenda determined among the elite group of thugs regardless of public opinion or desires, for these fcuks, democracy is about voting for preselected candidates, between tweedle dee and tweedle DUMB, and then letting the auto pilot of elite advantage take its course.. Don't try to teach me what democracy is about you miserable fcuk.

Masadi, Thank you for your comments but i hope you dont mind me taking the issue futher. I am afraid all discussions with you are sound.

Dash_dot, my sincere apologies, could you mail me offlist if you dont mind? bdasgupta@gmail.com