Khalid Sohail July 24, 2007
#110 Posted by cliftonbridge on July 26, 2007 4:51:04 pm
i agree jangs although its not just pakistans fault. But yes it could have been sooo much better.
#109 Posted by jang on July 26, 2007 3:36:26 pm
IMO saudi financing the madrassa in pakiland was a nice gesture. its the pakis which chose to make these madrassas into a wierd freak shows. if madrassas were like yeshivas such that its graduate would contest for getting into the best Us in the world along with Karachi Grammer or Bacon House, nooone would complain. instead they are nurturing a violent underclass.
#108 Posted by chaltahai on July 26, 2007 3:16:25 pm
Cliftonbridge, building mosques and madrassahs are not developing institutions of growth. If that was the case, the flow of capital into Pakiland wouldn't be as anemic as it is. it is directly tied to blowing up pizza parlors or be it KFCs.
I made the point about religious nutcases not muslims. I would prefer to deploy nuclear assets on to an atoll jampacked with the religious nutcases.
I made the point about religious nutcases not muslims. I would prefer to deploy nuclear assets on to an atoll jampacked with the religious nutcases.
#107 Posted by cliftonbridge on July 26, 2007 2:35:29 pm
Building mosques or madarsa;s IS developing institutions of growth, chalta i wouldnt put it in the same sentance as blowing up pizza parlours. Dont get all spiteful, you actually have a good point.
"Seculars" are as much to blame for imperialism as "muslims" are to blame for terrorism. Many people can believe in both ideologies without blowing other people up into smithereens.
It may take a while but India and China have taken some big steps to alleviate poverty in their countries and the trickle down hasnt fully kicked in yet but likely/hopefully will. However I am not sure that India is actually a secular country at this point.
"Seculars" are as much to blame for imperialism as "muslims" are to blame for terrorism. Many people can believe in both ideologies without blowing other people up into smithereens.
It may take a while but India and China have taken some big steps to alleviate poverty in their countries and the trickle down hasnt fully kicked in yet but likely/hopefully will. However I am not sure that India is actually a secular country at this point.
#106 Posted by chaltahai on July 26, 2007 2:09:29 pm
Masadi, while idiots like you blow up cars, the chinese and Indians make them. Indian rural situation is 100 times better than even 15 years ago. Larger subsidies by the gov't, better education for the children, cleaner water, etc etc. The farmers and rural india is not where the impact of your ill perceived negatives of capitalism is felt. It is the migration of labor from rural to urban areas. the developed world went through this, so will china and India.
Gap is uneven in the developed world...so friggin what? What is your point? Everyone should have a mercedes benz? Most people around the world work for their keep, they don't sit on wells spouting black gold. If they did, you can be sure they would be developing insitutions of growth instead of funding madrassas, blowing up pizza parlors and building mosques.
Gap is uneven in the developed world...so friggin what? What is your point? Everyone should have a mercedes benz? Most people around the world work for their keep, they don't sit on wells spouting black gold. If they did, you can be sure they would be developing insitutions of growth instead of funding madrassas, blowing up pizza parlors and building mosques.
#104 Posted by masadi on July 26, 2007 11:19:52 am
chaltahai writes "If what Masadi writes in 101 was true then the means to destroy humanity have been there for decades now..the earth would have been destroyed many times over"
The means over which they have control and have used selectively have been available for "decades now" but what the consequences of their rape of the earth is going to be is something they will have no control over, that time is coming and coming fast and these "suicide bombers" of advanced capitalism know about it but their ideology blinds them....they keep butchering humanity, nature will not differntiate between rich and poor, between a bmw and a rickshaw, between a shanty town hut and a gazillion dollar gated mansion......
The means over which they have control and have used selectively have been available for "decades now" but what the consequences of their rape of the earth is going to be is something they will have no control over, that time is coming and coming fast and these "suicide bombers" of advanced capitalism know about it but their ideology blinds them....they keep butchering humanity, nature will not differntiate between rich and poor, between a bmw and a rickshaw, between a shanty town hut and a gazillion dollar gated mansion......
#103 Posted by masadi on July 26, 2007 11:14:27 am
Chaltahai writes "And frankly China and India are following the development model to the benefit of their peoples"
That is part of the BS that the IT miracle mongers are pushing. In india more than 90% of the population lives in debilitating poverty, which is much worse in the rural areas than it was ever before. Regarding distribution of resources, that gap is anything but equitable even in developed countries. Where the poor are dying at three times the rate in greater numbers than ever before, where they are not dying equally as through natural causes but based on class and wealth, that is what the barbaric picture of the 21st century is.....plagues and disease still kill millions every year, just because you don't have access to the facts does not mean that happens, resources don't move anywhere except to the rich few....what world are you living in fool?
That is part of the BS that the IT miracle mongers are pushing. In india more than 90% of the population lives in debilitating poverty, which is much worse in the rural areas than it was ever before. Regarding distribution of resources, that gap is anything but equitable even in developed countries. Where the poor are dying at three times the rate in greater numbers than ever before, where they are not dying equally as through natural causes but based on class and wealth, that is what the barbaric picture of the 21st century is.....plagues and disease still kill millions every year, just because you don't have access to the facts does not mean that happens, resources don't move anywhere except to the rich few....what world are you living in fool?
#102 Posted by chaltahai on July 26, 2007 11:12:13 am
If what Masadi writes in 101 was true then the means to destroy humanity have been there for decades now..the earth would have been destroyed many times over. But people are still having sex and eating pulled pork. You are just jealous Masadi because no one comes to your BBQ.
#101 Posted by masadi on July 26, 2007 11:09:57 am
In addition to #99 what makes this age even more barbaric is that greater means and knowledge are available to make all this killing and death not a natural phenomenon but man made.....yeah, that my friends is the biggest barbarism of it all...
#100 Posted by chaltahai on July 26, 2007 11:09:45 am
More die in absolute numbers because there are more numbers absolutely. On a percentage basis, it doesn't even come close to the plagues and wars that wiped out entire peoples and large percentage of populations of humans before the American century. there is better flow of capital, resources than ever before and on average, humans are richer than ever before. Distribution of riches is wider than ever before. And frankly China and India are following the development model to the benefit of their peoples. 4/5th of humanity doesn't believe in the BS you utter. And that is good!!
And calling me names doesn;t hide your stupidity masadi. It only shines a big fat searchlight on it.
And calling me names doesn;t hide your stupidity masadi. It only shines a big fat searchlight on it.
#99 Posted by masadi on July 26, 2007 11:01:29 am
chaltahai writes "This is absolutely untrue. Human kind is much better off in the 21st century than ever before. Only the religious nutcases are suffering...and that they should. Infact, I would gladly pay to move them all to an island in the south pacific and drop 5 atomic bombs on them. "
Of course we expect a-holes like chaltahai to drop atomic bombs, it is because of these kinds of "humanists" that over half the world is living in debilitating poverty, more die in absolute numbers than ever before in human history, and add to that the number that are killed during the first year of life world-wide and the environment that is being destroyed that will harm and destroy the poorest of the poor and the entire countries that are wiped out by farcial wars....and you have a clear picture of the 21st century run by these "secular humanists" and their BS slogans....they need to invent one enemy after another, how many islands are you going to populate and wipe out with your "atomic bombs"....and by the way this mentality of "I will gladly pay..." is also a product of the advanced capitalism with the "secular humanism" slogans, you cannot measure life and death in terms of money you sob...
Of course we expect a-holes like chaltahai to drop atomic bombs, it is because of these kinds of "humanists" that over half the world is living in debilitating poverty, more die in absolute numbers than ever before in human history, and add to that the number that are killed during the first year of life world-wide and the environment that is being destroyed that will harm and destroy the poorest of the poor and the entire countries that are wiped out by farcial wars....and you have a clear picture of the 21st century run by these "secular humanists" and their BS slogans....they need to invent one enemy after another, how many islands are you going to populate and wipe out with your "atomic bombs"....and by the way this mentality of "I will gladly pay..." is also a product of the advanced capitalism with the "secular humanism" slogans, you cannot measure life and death in terms of money you sob...
#98 Posted by chaltahai on July 26, 2007 11:00:50 am
echo, don't bitch yaar! there are enough houris in the afterlife for you.
#97 Posted by echoboom on July 26, 2007 10:57:41 am
chaltahai:96
I would gladly pay to move them all to an island in the south pacific and drop 5 atomic bombs on them
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Now the evolution to this nirvana level of mindset is the true accomplishment of the Oooons Pooons.
But maybe some better methods would soon be avaulable to the Ooons to eliminate the undesirtables amongst them. Always remember, somewhere down the line you will be also sent to the island one day...
When weapons are there, some fingers itch to find/create. enemies
I would gladly pay to move them all to an island in the south pacific and drop 5 atomic bombs on them
___________________________________________________________
Now the evolution to this nirvana level of mindset is the true accomplishment of the Oooons Pooons.
But maybe some better methods would soon be avaulable to the Ooons to eliminate the undesirtables amongst them. Always remember, somewhere down the line you will be also sent to the island one day...
When weapons are there, some fingers itch to find/create. enemies
#96 Posted by chaltahai on July 26, 2007 10:44:01 am
"Next consider the fact that "secular, humanism"- slogans that is has been the rallying call of the 21st century, yet it has produced more misery and destruction than anything religious in the past, its "suicide bombers", the corporate elite and their reps in the political directorate of the USA are much more destructive than Hamas' suicide bombers because their destruction of the environment, their trade policies etc will not only ensure their own destruction but the destruction of humanity."
This is absolutely untrue. Human kind is much better off in the 21st century than ever before. Only the religious nutcases are suffering...and that they should. Infact, I would gladly pay to move them all to an island in the south pacific and drop 5 atomic bombs on them.
This is absolutely untrue. Human kind is much better off in the 21st century than ever before. Only the religious nutcases are suffering...and that they should. Infact, I would gladly pay to move them all to an island in the south pacific and drop 5 atomic bombs on them.
#95 Posted by echoboom on July 26, 2007 8:04:10 am
The present Dr. Fraud, was Dr. Archie Freud in US, was Dr. Arshad Fareed in Lahore,was our own from our pind: the Phheedaa from chuk 420 mauzaa Harrappa.
Narrated something like this when he was given his first assignment in animal behaviour class..for the benefit of humans.
He was asked to keep a baby monkey under observation & jot down all the doings & undoings of the baby-monkey. This he had to commence after keeping the monkey in 5 days solitary with nothing except the four walls. Lot of monkey porn posters were displayed & porn-movies run endlessly, without disclaimers or ratings.
A peephole was there for the Psychiatrist to record his findings--all in the interest of `` No morality, is the best morality`` creed. His room was next,adjacent to that of the monkey--and the Psychilist was provided with ample human-porno stuff as well...as a dry-run for the test.
After five days when the dr.Psuchilist went to peep through the peep-hole to jot down his findings he was aghast! dumbfounded!blacked-out!
There was another eye on the other side!
the baby monkey`s eye!....WATCHING HIM!
Narrated something like this when he was given his first assignment in animal behaviour class..for the benefit of humans.
He was asked to keep a baby monkey under observation & jot down all the doings & undoings of the baby-monkey. This he had to commence after keeping the monkey in 5 days solitary with nothing except the four walls. Lot of monkey porn posters were displayed & porn-movies run endlessly, without disclaimers or ratings.
A peephole was there for the Psychiatrist to record his findings--all in the interest of `` No morality, is the best morality`` creed. His room was next,adjacent to that of the monkey--and the Psychilist was provided with ample human-porno stuff as well...as a dry-run for the test.
After five days when the dr.Psuchilist went to peep through the peep-hole to jot down his findings he was aghast! dumbfounded!blacked-out!
There was another eye on the other side!
the baby monkey`s eye!....WATCHING HIM!
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