Khalid Sohail July 24, 2007
#11 Posted by Truemind on July 24, 2007 10:56:08 am
This is a well written and documented article and covers a number of main points in human life that are areas which expose our races driven force to excel in growth. Growth though, may not necessarily be a good thing for our race. One of the things the human race has to do in order to save its self is become less selfish and greedy on and individual and group level. We can help each other but it requires sacrifices of goals and income I feel. Almost like a form of voluntary socialism, helping a fellow man in need no matter what difference exists. I’m order to make a difference we have to make a commitment on an individual level and I feel this is road block for many. As people mature and create careers and families and strive for the best life possible are they willing to sacrifice some of their rewards such as income to help less unfortunate people. I know in the western world people do give and show support but many charities and groups use pressuring forms of telemarketing to become successful. The future is in the hands of the new generations we are educating. Most people of a mature adult age have been molded by past social ideas and by adapting new ways within or education systems around the world the future generations will see things differently and hopefully will realize how this race has to artificially adapt to save itself. Naturally our race can destroy itself because our intelligence was never a plan just an outcome. Now that we have found the tools which can give individuals the power beyond our control we need to really start to understand who we are and re evaluate our purpose here on earth. Our hands should only be attached to the arms of reason when making decisions that affect this world we live in.
mark Robinson
Mark Henry Robinson
mark Robinson
Mark Henry Robinson
#12 Posted by drsohail on July 24, 2007 11:18:15 am
Re: # 11
dear mark...i like your concept of...voluntary socialism...people voluntarily sharing their resources with others for common good. stay in touch...sincerely sohail
dear mark...i like your concept of...voluntary socialism...people voluntarily sharing their resources with others for common good. stay in touch...sincerely sohail
#9 Posted by jang on July 24, 2007 9:50:51 am
wow drsahib..there was a man a while back in india who tried to figure out what is the source of human suffering..he came with the answer desire..which left many o f us unfulfilled. i mean what kind of an answer is that? your stuff us far more fulfilling (or perhaps one gets a false sense). i am surprised you did not refer to the state of the art on this topic i.e. stuff from the man from lumbini.
#23 Posted by iron_mask on July 25, 2007 1:52:34 am
Re: # 9 wow, jangy!
you take my breath away.
Care to exapnd on what you just said there?
you take my breath away.
Care to exapnd on what you just said there?
#10 Posted by drsohail on July 24, 2007 10:27:22 am
Re: # 9
dear jang...this article was written just to introduce social causes of human suffering. in the future i might present other articles focusing on psychological and emotional and mystical aspects. thanks for your interest. for me diagnosis of a problem should also help us to resolve it...sohail
dear jang...this article was written just to introduce social causes of human suffering. in the future i might present other articles focusing on psychological and emotional and mystical aspects. thanks for your interest. for me diagnosis of a problem should also help us to resolve it...sohail
#6 Posted by Chennai on July 24, 2007 8:21:30 am
Dr Sohail, interesting read....another factor which is increasingly gaining importance is "aping the West" syndrome and this is true I guess in the whole of South Asia...
#7 Posted by drsohail on July 24, 2007 8:42:13 am
Re: # 6
dear chennai....can you share your understanding of the dynamics of this syndrome? thanks...sohail
dear chennai....can you share your understanding of the dynamics of this syndrome? thanks...sohail
#8 Posted by Chennai on July 24, 2007 9:06:08 am
Re: # 7
Dr Sohail, will do..2morrow.
thanks
Prakash
Dr Sohail, will do..2morrow.
thanks
Prakash
#3 Posted by khurram on July 24, 2007 7:05:23 am
Qaid-e-Hayat o Band-e-Gham, asal mey dono ek hain
Maut se pehle aadmi, gham se nijat paye kion
Maut se pehle aadmi, gham se nijat paye kion
#5 Posted by drsohail on July 24, 2007 8:09:25 am
Re: # 3
dear khurram...
meri ummeed ki pathra gain aankhain laikin
main nay is laash ko seenay say laga rakha hay
it is nice to receive your poetic letter
lambi hay gham ki shaam magar shaam hi to hay
when conscientious and enlightenend people like you are still alive i remain optimistic....affectionately sohail
dear khurram...
meri ummeed ki pathra gain aankhain laikin
main nay is laash ko seenay say laga rakha hay
it is nice to receive your poetic letter
lambi hay gham ki shaam magar shaam hi to hay
when conscientious and enlightenend people like you are still alive i remain optimistic....affectionately sohail
#2 Posted by Ahadaustin on July 24, 2007 6:49:25 am
The modern mind is in complete disorder. Knowledge has extended itself to the point where neither the world nor our intelligence can find any foot-hold. It is a fact that we the human are suffering from nihilism.
#1 Posted by iron_mask on July 24, 2007 5:39:41 am
Khalid, can you place these seven maladies in order of importance?
#4 Posted by drsohail on July 24, 2007 8:04:12 am
Re: # 1
dear iron mask....it is hard for me to put them in some order. i usually give an example to my friends that schizophrenia affects one percent of the population but the person who suffers from mental illness for him it is one hundred percent.
statistically speaking class issues affect 80% of world population while gender issues 50%. i think when we would be able to educate masses and raise social consciousness then each community would be able to assess their problems and put their heads together to solve problems in a cooperative way. unfortunately we are still carrying the baggage of our previous generations. human history has been nightmarish. more and more people are feeling helpless and hopeless. i feel that if there is a critical mass of committted and dedicated people in the world there can be a positive change. i always believed breakdowns can lead to breakthroughs....thanks for your question...sohail
dear iron mask....it is hard for me to put them in some order. i usually give an example to my friends that schizophrenia affects one percent of the population but the person who suffers from mental illness for him it is one hundred percent.
statistically speaking class issues affect 80% of world population while gender issues 50%. i think when we would be able to educate masses and raise social consciousness then each community would be able to assess their problems and put their heads together to solve problems in a cooperative way. unfortunately we are still carrying the baggage of our previous generations. human history has been nightmarish. more and more people are feeling helpless and hopeless. i feel that if there is a critical mass of committted and dedicated people in the world there can be a positive change. i always believed breakdowns can lead to breakthroughs....thanks for your question...sohail
#24 Posted by iron_mask on July 25, 2007 2:13:26 am
Re: # 4
Re: # 4
thanks for that Khalid, its called the old one-two and then a side step.
You say
"unfortunately we are still carrying the baggage of our previous generations. human history has been nightmarish. more and more people are feeling helpless and hopeless. i feel that if there is a critical mass of committted and dedicated people in the world there can be a positive change. i always believed breakdowns can lead to breakthroughs"
Human beings always carry "a baggage" - its called the mind, soul (call it whatever). Its something which gets written into our code, and over time some of it gets reinforced, and some cases the code develops such that these cases are never arrived at.
Breaking down the causes of human suffering into the seven you suggest, may be a good starting point, however, they do limit both the width as well as the depth of possible analysis, and hence the conclusions you can arrive at. In each case you can provide the reasons for this, as well as recommend a remedy. For some some you might find that this is the same.
My point, is that you do need both a heirarchy as well as a priority within each class. (Indeed you might find that some of the issues you have raised could be subsumed by another). For without it, you cannot get to the bottom of the real problem -i.e "causes of human suffering".
The points 1, 2, 3, and 7 have been analysed to death in the last 200 years (I am not going to go to an earlier date). The issues numbered 4, 5, and 6 have also been analysed before, but have recently come to the fore, and do indicate a certain development of our own mind and advance as "civilised and rational" human beings.
You see for the extremely strong conclusion you have arrived at
Humanity is at a crossroads. Rather than committing collective suicide and perishing as a species I hope we grow to the next stage of human evolution ....
you need more than the mundane to support you. If the past record (there you are "your baggage" ) weren't there, I would put this conclusion as another cliched statement put in for affect and carries no meaning whatsoever.
Re: # 4
thanks for that Khalid, its called the old one-two and then a side step.
You say
"unfortunately we are still carrying the baggage of our previous generations. human history has been nightmarish. more and more people are feeling helpless and hopeless. i feel that if there is a critical mass of committted and dedicated people in the world there can be a positive change. i always believed breakdowns can lead to breakthroughs"
Human beings always carry "a baggage" - its called the mind, soul (call it whatever). Its something which gets written into our code, and over time some of it gets reinforced, and some cases the code develops such that these cases are never arrived at.
Breaking down the causes of human suffering into the seven you suggest, may be a good starting point, however, they do limit both the width as well as the depth of possible analysis, and hence the conclusions you can arrive at. In each case you can provide the reasons for this, as well as recommend a remedy. For some some you might find that this is the same.
My point, is that you do need both a heirarchy as well as a priority within each class. (Indeed you might find that some of the issues you have raised could be subsumed by another). For without it, you cannot get to the bottom of the real problem -i.e "causes of human suffering".
The points 1, 2, 3, and 7 have been analysed to death in the last 200 years (I am not going to go to an earlier date). The issues numbered 4, 5, and 6 have also been analysed before, but have recently come to the fore, and do indicate a certain development of our own mind and advance as "civilised and rational" human beings.
You see for the extremely strong conclusion you have arrived at
Humanity is at a crossroads. Rather than committing collective suicide and perishing as a species I hope we grow to the next stage of human evolution ....
you need more than the mundane to support you. If the past record (there you are "your baggage" ) weren't there, I would put this conclusion as another cliched statement put in for affect and carries no meaning whatsoever.
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