Militarily Troubled Pakistan and Terribly Administered Tribals

Whatever Mr. Jinnah and Mr. Liaqut Ali Khan were, they
sure were communal with hatred of Hindus and Sikhs
deep in their blood and bones, may be that is why they
were appealing to an average Pakistani!

...i think one has to accept that, on the whole, pakistan has been ruled by, "lying cheating liberal fascits".....actually the fascist part is a bit of an exageration......but they certainly were lying and cheating (and quite liberal by pakistani standards)......the only exception was zia, who was a, "lying cheating religious fascist"......a bit more of a fascist than the liberal ones....

jinnah (and liaqut also) were neither liers, nor cheats, nor fascists.......though they were liberal.....

.......the next combo to rule will also be lying cheating liberal combo of musharraf and benazir......musharraf is a constitutional crook, while benazir is a financial crook.....both are about as liberal as it gets in pakistan.....

.....the only group more liberal than them is the mqm.....which actually is a lying cheating liberal fascist group....fascist in their case does apply.......

......so one cannot blame pakistanis, if they turn away from liberalism......they have tried it for 60 years, and what has it giving them.......a chowk-like elite and poverty.......

......which way are they going to turn.....hard to tell......i don't think they wil turn en-masse towards the lal masjid leadership type groups......these leaderships are criminals, who play with the lives of brainwashed students..........

.....they may towards the religious political parties like mma.......however they have also turned out to be liers and cheaters.......

......not too many places to turn to........who else is left as a leader.........

i think urstruly may have to return to pakistan, to take over the leadership.....or perhaps hp or hamidm........

Re: # 53

Calling charlatans and murderers like BB and Altaf liberals is insulting the very notion of liberalism. Same thing goes for some other riff raf on chowk as well. I think Hamid Mir has coined the very appropriate term "Libral Fascists" that describes them perfectly. i.e. Fascists pretending to be liberals. I think top brass of na pak fouj falls into this rabies infested category as well.

#50 Posted by zeemax

Yup ....

... you should edit some of my current working papers ... I am pretty bad with this language thingy.

#49 Posted by tahmed32,

There are only two liberal forces in Pakistan. One is Benazir, the other is Altaf Hussain. Surely if you're a liberal, you would support one of these two.

But I'll let it go. You, Sir, cannot answer this question. Regardless of how well-meaning you are. And I acknowledge and respect that.

#51 Posted by tahmed32 on July 30, 2007 12:41:45 pm

you had free elections in the 90s, didn't you? yet that's the time you became the fountainhead of islamic terrorism...that's the time when you had john jihad walker training at a madrassah in the land of the pure..that's the time you had the indigenous kashmiri freedom fighters get training and arms in the land of the pure...

arjun #29 What part of "any time it has had free elections." did you have trouble understanding?

#48 Posted by GT,

What HP meant was that it was all orchestrated by the government.

But I get your point. What you mean is characters come and go, but the consequences remain.

zeemax #45 Excuse me for not reading your post too carefully, and simply commenting on the first line which seemed like a request for comments on the Mush-BB deal-making.

I went back and read it more carefully, and see that the sentence with the specific question was "Is this what you liberal fascists are? Who tell lies all the time? "

This reduces your post to another in the piles of posts on chowk that are nothing more than gibberish: What is a "liberal fascist" if not a contradiction in terms, and therefore gibberish? And since when am I a supporter of BB (or any of the other third rate individuals seeking to come to power in Pakistan by hook or by crook?)

#38 Posted by zeemax

"GT, I'm still waiting for an answer from HP regarding his assertion of just yesterday, based on the past, that Lal Masjid/Jamia Hafsa was just a 'drama'."

Zee:

I do not disagree about the 'drama'. 'Drama' it was. A trivial point is what does one mean by 'drama'. More serious are the consequences of this 'drama'.

#46 more like lobbing rocks and sticks just like your palestinian brothers in an intifada will be more like it, you need some technical know how in order to operate an Ak47, which the pathan lacks. AK47 is not like your ghulail or a 12 gauge dazza. Ooooh now I see what the issue is the real issue is not the western powers making weapons, its the fact that they have to send in technical specialists "white boys" to train the donkey brains " the great pathan suits" and that is a big no no, because god forbid if the outside world saw the squalid conditions the "pathan suit" lives in.

#44 Posted by cicada,

We will just fight with kalashnikovs and in chappals and at best sneakers ... fool ...

#42 Posted by tahmed32,

That was not my question. My question was 'Are these the lying cheating liberal fascists?'

If you look at Military speanding of muslim countries, its the highest amongst other nations including G8 nations. I was talking to a drug dealer the other day, and asked why he sold drugs knowing that they kill people, his response was a simple "sir, if people stop buying them I will be out of business, so rather than condemn me for simply making a living, why dont you condemn them that have the money and keep buying weapons".

Echoboom, you are simply jealous of US not selling M-16s to muslim fanatics. Tell your sad story to the Russians and tell them to stop making Ak47s, lets see how fast they push a big tanks gun up your al-Qaeda cave and leave it in that area for others as an example.

The westoxicated scum in Pakistan would lose their "ELITE" status in a minute if ALL official work is done in URDU.

The Paper-pushing work, can be done by upto any senior middle management level by a PancNchVeen jaamaat paas from the lowest-level madrassa in Pakistan. 9)% energies of the westoxicated scum is wasted in trying to communicate the gobbledygook called "english" by these turkeys to the ones who are more advanced and learned themselves. ..such energy is also watsed to tryingb to look as if they are not their father's son but an Amreekan kaa bachhaa..black or white..white still ranks higher on the taTTa-pole.

Hope the westoxicated ones are reading this to commit hara-kiri..if they have an iota of ghairat left in them.
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A TRUE American writes

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We make money from War, Famine, Natural Disasters and any other world event that needs fixing. And the profit does not all go to the military

Who funds more than 90% of all conflicts in the world? THE BANKS DO. (including our own)

If we had no war in the ME or Africa we would have an economy on the run.

Where there is War, there is opportunity.
So we should appreciate Bushs actions as its another step to boosting our economy and keeping our long-term allies in good-stead

Posted by: A True American | July 30, 2007 12:36 PM

zeemax #28 You asked for what I think of the BB-Musharraf deal. No doubt this is Plan B for Musharraf to prolong his stay in power that he loves so much. Plan A being to stay in power by appearing as the lesser of two evils to the outside world and to Pakistanis.

And any plan to deny Pakistanis the right to free and fair elections within the legal framework is a plan to continue denying Pakistanis their right to have political leaders who are accountable to them. This does not change what I wrote to Urstruly, of course.