Militarily Troubled Pakistan and Terribly Administered Tribals

[UAE in the Middle East and Finland in Eastern Europe are good examples.]

Only a brave pakhtoon could change the geographical location of Finland.As for the article, I am all for the pakhtoons joining Afghanistan and letting us live in peace.

... as for their being pummeled by Nato troops, that doesn't appear to be the case, wouldn't you agree? It is they who are pummeling NATO which is why it is crying all the way to mama ... and threatening Pakistan.

17 Posted by banneditem,

banneditem, please tell me what have you done for FTATA in return for your using them in Kashmir (the AK was won by them for you), Afghan Jihad, Kargill ... besides being your unpaid volunteer army at your North Western border.

They don't need Pakistan. Pakistan needs them. Remember it was MA Jinnah who had ordered all forces to be removed from FATA. They've always been independent and all they have is a kind of agreement to remain with Pakistan. Pakistan has abrogated that agreement.

They won't leave easily now. First they will avenge all the betrayals you have heaped on them.

#18 urstruly: "Pakistani nation, given the chance has always made the right decisions for itself."

And that is why it has inflicted humiliating defeat to the religious parties any time it has had free elections.

Re: # 20

I have explained it many times before that "a corrupt westernized ruling elite", which acts as a custodians of western intersts in our country is the oppressor of the people of pakistan. This ruling elite has evolved over the past 60 years from just feudal lords to now include memebrs from all walks of life in Pakistan. Sirkari moulvis, such as Qazi Hussain, Fazlurehman, and many many more are part and parcel of this corrupt elite. The fact of the matter is that whenever so called "saaf aur shaffaf election" happen in this country some members of this corrupt elite becoem ruling party and rest become "opposition". But they work in unison to keep the status quo of corruption, incompetence, and submission preserved and strengthened. The prime example is the government in NWFP and Baluchistan which has been in the hands of these sirkari moulvis for the past 5 years, and it is as corrupt, as incompetent as the rest of Pakistan. Have you noticed that sirkari moulvi governments of both Baluchistan or NWFP never speak against the masacres of citizens of Pakistan in their territories? even when they are supposedly ethnically and ideologically closer to the mascared citizens of Pakistan?

The militancy and sedition in Pakistan is aagainst this corrupt social class.

Zulm phir zulm hai, bart-ta hai to mitt jata hai
Khun phir khun hai, tapkay ga to jum jaiga

#9 urstruly: Funny that you should quote Ayaz Amir, and talk glowingly of "This following is the third force that I am talking about. The people of Pakistan have overwhelmingly shown that their choice is rule of law".

If the rule of law was to break out in Pakistan, the first to go will be Musharraf, and the next to go will be the bearded ghoondas he props up as the only alternative to his rule. And indeed this third force, the rule of law refelcting the will of the Pakistani people, is on the march in Pakistan. The Chief Justice is in place - thanks to his own personal courage, the courage of the lawyers, and the courage of the Pakistani people who shed blood on May 12 and who turned out in vast numbers to support them. And lal masjid ghoondas and FATA ghoondas, far from being the heroes that you think of them when you post pictures of gun-toting mullahs, are mere distractions that work to the advantage of Musharraf and will be the first to be brought to justice once the forces of rule of law and the will of the Pakistani people finally prevails, at it Inshallah will.

There will be no place in a free Pakistan for FATA ghoondas and maulvi-khalifa wannabes, as you try to find by glowingly posting Ayaz Amir's article.

Zeemax,
Sure lets say FATA joins Kandahar, and now they get pummeled by US and NATO troops, are the Paktoons gonna a come back crying "lemme in lemme in"?

P.S There are no troops stopping pashtuns from crossing over the durand line. Thats been the point of contention between Pakistan and US for a long time post 9-11, please show some intelligence in your comeback remarks.

banneditem,

In fact FATA will be quite happy if you removed your troops from there and let them join Kandhar.

Are you willing to do that?

Please stop your ignorant rant.

P.S you mention, see quote
"The people in the tribal belt and Pushtoons are totally innocent and they have no idea whatsoever about Al-Qaeda....."

Do you really, honestly, whole heartedly believe that. If you do I have a brooklyn bridge for sale. A Sindhi, Punjabi, Kashmiri(jammu), a Mohajir (proud Pakistani) or a Baluchi is not allowed to come visit FATA, but uzbeks, saudis, yeminis are allowed, because the poor pakhtoon people cant tell the difference between an arabic speaking yemeni or a russian speaking uzbek.
Paktoon bhai jan,
A pathan loves his radio. Venture into Nowshera,pubbi, qisa khawani bazaar, all pathans are holding a short Wave radio playing with the dial to tune into BBC Pashtu, or VOA urdu. If BBC and VOA havent spoken about Al Qaeda, I could take your argument with a grain of salt. Even that doesnt fly though. Its Time to wake up and smell the morning coffee paktoon bhaijan.

Pukhtoon Khan Sahib,
There is a saying out west it says "you can't have your cake and eat it too". Similarly Paktoons cant have a region where they call the shots "legally speaking" and be called law abiding citizens of pakistan. Its quite a joke to attack your own army, and police, and when retaliated the same pathan cries woe is me, woe is me. Pakistan Army should quarantine FATA from Pakistan side and invite the crusader army to come and bulldoze the cesspool in the indegenous Pakhtoon area. Down with Pakhtoonwali and long live the civil institutions.

Puktoon

"Establish industries in the tribal belt. Industrialization creates its own culture and values and changes the thinking, lifestyle, needs and life goals of individual. It is a real and practical tool for cultural engineering. Values and culture are products of technology."

You should be really from paktoon, no idea about the industry location dynamics. Industries can be established only where the resources are available, both human and capital. You say that the people are un=educayed, and hence no engineering industry is possible. The people have a long history of war and killings and that is their skills. Thsi has been used by the pak army.

The kargill invasion was done by these jihadis. That is all they can do, kill, in fact most savage form of killing, as it happened to Captian Kalia of India army in Kragill.

Leave the tribals alone, give them a few daisy cutters if you are very particular.

Pak army on the run

Today dawn has reported that army guys have been asked not to crowd arround move in small groups for fear of the suicide bombers, nearly a thousand of them are moving to islamabad.

The pak army will move to the cantonments and the barracks, to protect themselves. They used a similar tactics in Bangladesh, where they expected the Indian army to attack their barracks. Indian troops simply went for dacca, and rest is part pakistan disgrace. The same plan is put to practice by the pak army, teh streets have been taken over by the jihadis and criminals.

Puktoon Khan

"It was the fallacious vision and vested interests of Pakistani leaders due to which genuine political leadership was not encouraged to come forward and take the reigns of power to empower the masses of Pakistan and lead them towards the goals of progress and prosperity."

Poor Mr Khan, the reason for the lack of leadership in pakistan can be traced to the ideology of creation of pakistan. Every where in the world, the freedom struggle from the colonial rule creates heroes, it created heroes in India, the US and teh like, but not in pakistan. Pakistan was created to get rid of the colonial masters, it was created because of the hatred created by one mans work, the Jinnah.

In an ideology of hatred, there is no scope for any leaders to emerge, there is no vision of the future, there is no ideology...and that is the underlying reason for the military rule, the failing democracy you name it.

At last pakistan is living up to its only possible ideology of creation, islam.

Lal majid is the equivalent of the boston tea party, the 1857 war if independence. At last a few people of pakistan have united together and they are asking, pakistan ka matlab kys, why is pakistan an islamic republic only in parts, they are demanding the full sharia laws, the beheading, the kit and kabootle.

This is what the world had been waiting, and finally the islamic bomb will come in the hands of the hands of the jihadis, and that is when pakistan will be iraquised.

The only change and rule of law in pakistan will come only after its iraquisation and its partition.

Re: # 11

Wrong again dear ignorant fool,

Tribal Areas were riled up and politicised in the name of Islam by none other than Frontier Gandhi and his cohorts when they riled up people in the Frontier that Pakistan would not be a sharia-based Islamic state. It was then that Fakir of Ipi was encouraged against the Pakistani state by these brothers who claimed to be "secular" and yet used Islam in the most cynical way.

But one can forgive you for being the ignorant Hindu fascist fanatic that you are... after all you had no idea about Gandhi's role in the Khilafat Movement and Gandhi's encouragement of the Mullahs either did you?

But how about blaming the right people for the right mess for once in you life?

Urstruly,

I had couple of bitter exchange of emails with Ayaz Mir in 1999 when he was writing against the civilian government and then he supported the Musharaf coup and we pretty much exchanged some sharp words and after that we never communicated in any form.

I have not read his articles since then. To me he is just another flat world type in Pakistan. I hope you know the guy who writes in NYT and is now famous for his " iraq unit of time". Yes I am talking about Friedman.

I am not going to read his article now so you just post what you wanna say. And don't use his non sense to support your argument.

There is no doubt that there is oppression in Pakistan, there is no doubt that army has brought misery to people of Pakistan and there is no doubt that People of Pakistan deserve democracy.
But your friends Afghans/pathans of the tribal areas are as against the democracy as the army is. They are as pro-oppression as the army is and they are as anti people as the army is.

You are trying to trade one monster with another and bigger monster. These Islamist jihadis are criminals and mark my words now. Time will prove them the criminals that they are.

Re: # 10 HP

I know the Libral Fascist propaganda machinery is working overtime to protray the current sedition of people of Pakistan against fascist state machinery as "just an NWFP phenomenon, which is present nowhere else" but truth needs no vehicle to desseminate itself. Isn't it a fact that the hotbed of sedition is not in NWFP , but in the capital of Pakistan, in the heart of Northern Punjab which is the Na Pak fouj's own constituency? Isn't it the fact that most vicious and deadly attack by Liberal Fascists and their armed goons upon the people of Pakistan has happened in Islamabad and not in FATA where hundereds of school children have been masacred mercilessly by the state machinery? Isn't it a fact that overwhelming majority of those martyred school children and their teachers belonged to Punjab and elswhere other than FATA?

Look, we belonging to the sensible segment of the society, where we do not have immediately something at stake here, shoul not find every door of hope closed for good. Pakistani nation, given the chance has always made the right decisions for itself. There is a way to save our society from Iraqization, which is to support the movements such as independence of judiciary and true democracy. Look, no army in the world can fight people. The defeated and humilitaed but proud people of Iraq and Afghnaistan has proven that to the worlds most fearsome war machine of US and NATO combined. NaPak fouj kis khait ki mooli hay. Remember, on the day when Khomeini's plane landed in Tehran Iran's Royal army masaccred 23,000+ Irani citizens in less than few hours. We know the result of what happened. All pakistan needs is a chance for sovereignty, social justice, and freedom from the oppression of liberal fascism.