Militarily Troubled Pakistan and Terribly Administered Tribals

The Cantonment Kutta called Zulfiquar Ali Bhutto a fascist...
Bhutto, a fascist?..the Prime Minister who could not stop an FIR against himself?...Simply because ZAB worked with the Maulanas , this kanjarr calls him a fascist and now the Kanjarr shamelessly & for the whole world to see is wagging his tail & whimpering to save his skin..& begging to get him in good books of anybody..benazir or Nawaz Sharif.

Soon the bay-Zamir KanjarrEe will know that the maulanaas will have both the KanjarrS for breakfast..the KanjarRs have no clue that without their masters backing the Kanjarroon will be decimated & Pakistan will no longer be Napaaked by the westoxicated scum.

Hamid Mir expresses similar sentiments..Brilliant scion of the most respected journalist Pakistan ever produced.

Echo,

I am ashamed that you posted that piece of sh-t article by Hamid Mir. This article truly shows where he stands and which groups he represents. It is a disgusting article and I am not sure what made his paymasters so uncomfortable that they asked him to write the non sense that you posted without actually following what he is saying.

I know exactly where Hamid Mir is coming from and believe me he is not on your side.

About this article.
I am surprised that Chowk has allowed this article under a pseudonym. It was chowk’s stated policy to make its NEW contributors use their real name. Why was it necessary to make an exception for this poorly written article?

Anyone using a Pakhtoon name should at least have some understanding and knowledge of the afghan crisis. Throwing some clichés does not make any one authentic.

The recommendations at the end of the article reminded me of a joke, which goes like this:

Drugee (afyooni)#1: Hey what is the easiest way to kill a mosquito.

Drugee #2: The easiest way to kill a mosquito is to get hold of it first; then lift one of its arm and tickle it in the armpit and when it opens it mouth to laugh shove a spoonfull of DDT down its throat.

Bhai Sahib it is little late for the recommendations that you are proposing. The fact of the matter is that the real war of independence that we should have fought in 1947 has only begun now. This was a debt upon generation after generation of Pakistan which this generation is paying with interest now. That war of independence would have been against those kaalay angraiz who aided their white masters to oppress the whole nation for so long. That class should have been eliminated right on the night of 14 August 1947. It has been long due. Now there is only one outcome of this war - soveriegn and independent Pakistan - free of Western oppression and free of corrupt westernized ruling class.

HP:

Every word that Hamid Mir has written is irrefutable and an established truth. Even after the masacre of well over 1000 school children in Islamabad, if you think that the unholy matrimony between Bushrraf & Bezamir (B& B)is not the convergence of LIberla Fascism , then what is??

#3 Posted by Urstruly

Having some wetdreams Urstruly?

Nothing of the sort is going to happen. Yes, the Jihadi will make life difficult in Pakistan and we may see a limited civil war in some parts of the country but the suicide bombers cannot and will not take over the country.

What makes you assume that these ragtag Afghan/tribal Pathan can conquer Sindhi Balochis and Punjabis? They may not even capture the Pathans in the NWFP.

Islamists are not looking for Pakistan independence, they are moving forward to destroy Pakistan and subjugated it to the evil forces.

#4 Posted by Urstruly

Liberal Fascist and you think it is political terminology? People throw around incoherent and ridiculous political terminologies when their purpose is to abuse their political opponents.

I have watched Hamid Mir shows several times, I personally don't think that he even wrote this whole thing.

There is someone else in this purdeh zingarri main.

HP

I view all the anti-establishment militants as the necessary catalyst that will help emerge a third force which will ultimately eliminate the westernized corrupt ruling class and custodians of the status quo of corruption lawlessness, and incompetence. It will establish Pakistan as a law abiding, soveriegn, Islamic republic as its founding fathers envisioned it. The militancy is the reaction to the acute oppression that this nation has faced from foeign agents and corrupt class of kalay angraiz. These are the birth pangs of new Pakistan.

#7 Posted by Urstruly

"The militancy is the reaction to the acute oppression that this nation has faced"

What a ridiculous assertion. I have read it at many places it is like saying we fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here.

It appears to me that only the tribal pathans in Pakistan are so oppressed that they are fighting the establishment to alleviate the poverty and oppression.
In fact most of the pathans in the tribal areas are better off than many baloch and Sindhi and even punjabi.
Since when a whole community of smugglers and car thieves becomes oppressed?

Balochi are fighting the Pakistani establishment but they don't invoke Islam to fight their battles. All this tribal Pathans and their sponsors want is the freedom to grow hash, steal cars and other luxury items from all over the country and sell smuggled goods in open market. These lawless people now wanna establish an order.What a joke!

There is nothing anti establishment in these goons. They are criminals and should be treated the same way.

This following is the third force that I am talking about. The people of Pakistan have overwhelmingly shown that their choice is rule of law, social justice, and sovereignty and not the state terrorism of libral fascists nor the militancy of oppressed:

Depart gently into the night


By Ayaz Amir

AT our first lesson in live grenade-throwing in the Pakistan Military Academy, Kakul, we were asked a simple question. What if, inadvertently, a live grenade, its pin pulled out and therefore about to explode in a few seconds, fell from somebody’s hand by mistake?

We gave different answers but the correct one was that, sacrificing yourself, you fell on the grenade, covering it with your body, to save the lives of your comrades.

That was more important than trying to save your own life. Capt (later Brigadier) Shahid Aziz, our platoon commander, could have said “…more important than trying to save your miserable little skin.” He did not but his meaning was obvious. Why do soldiers sacrifice their lives in battle? For something called honour, for the sake of country, etc. Whatever name you put on it, it is always for something larger than one’s self.

Consider then a commander-in-chief, a chief of men (with apologies to Cromwell who was called by this title), if his heart and mind are bent only on his self-preservation, the larger good, the collective good, not figuring in his calculation at all. Wouldn’t be considered much of a chief of men, would he?

What does this nation want? A predictable system of government based on the Constitution and the rule of law; a measure of self-respect so that the Pakistani people could take some pride in being Pakistanis; and an end to foreign — for which read American — dictation.

The people of Pakistan have no exaggerated idea of their country’s importance. National megalomania was perhaps once their failing, not any more. Even so, to the extent possible, they want to be their own masters. They want to settle the problems of Waziristan, etc, their own way, not according to how the United States tells them. Indeed, by now they are heartily sick of a government which gyrates to foreign music.

But what does our chief of men want? He wants to be Pakistan’s Hosni Mobarak, or like a ruler of one of the Gulf states, going on and on forever, no matter what the cost to the nation.

Parallel tracks, incompatible aims: the nation’s interest at variance with personal ambition, indeed at war with it. Army House is looking out only for itself. No danger in those hallowed precincts of anyone falling on a primed grenade.

Will this approach work? Consider the nation’s mood which is a long way off from it what it was eight years ago. Across the country (try this out in any bazaar conversation) people no longer evince much patience for the sham called military democracy. They have had enough of it and want to move on, especially now that My Lord the Chief Justice and the lawyers of Pakistan, more power and glory to them, have showed them a different road.

The 13-member Supreme Court bench headed by Lord Justice Ramday (whose name posterity will remember) has served the nation well. At last, after so long, the people of Pakistan have something to be proud of. The promised land is still far away but dictatorship has been dealt a blow, such a blow as it has not received before, and the people of Pakistan are full of hope (without which nothing is possible).

In the process a new iconography has been born. Pakistan’s new heroes are Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry, Justice Rana Bhagwandas (to whom we owe a lot), Justice Ramday and his fellow judges, their lordships of the Sindh, Peshawar and Lahore High Courts who rallied to the CJ’s defence, judges who resigned in protest, the CJ’s lawyers, Munir Malik, Kurd et al, and Aitzaz. This is the new aristocracy ennobled in the eyes of the Pakistani nation.

Aitzaz, always well known, has risen so much in stature because of his advocacy in this case that his party leader, Benazir Bhutto, is finding it difficult to pronounce his name. Newspaper rumour has it that she is even in two minds about awarding him a party ticket for the forthcoming elections. Oh dear. Apart from women scorned, hell, it seems, also hath no fury like a Mohtarma caught in the coils of envy.

But I digress. As I was saying, the nation is in no mood to put up any longer with Army House-controlled democracy. Speaking for the bar, Munir Malik has already announced that after examining the detailed judgment when it comes, the Supreme Court Bar Association will challenge the general’s ‘re-election’ (when was he elected?) by the present soon-to-expire assemblies.

So the lines are being drawn. What then is to be done?

The judiciary has redeemed its honour, washing away the sins of the last 50 years. What about other institutions? One of the tasks of Hercules was to wash the Augean stables. The army’s stables can also do with some high-powered washing.

Time was when ordinary people respected the army. I say this with a heavy heart: respect has given way to harsher feelings. All because of one man rule which has harmed Pakistan and damaged the army.

How is lost respect to be recovered? By closing the gulf which has opened up between the army and the people. This is possible only if the army learns to respect the Constitution instead of seeing itself put at the service of personal ambition.

In the PMA we were also taught another thing. Honest mistakes, however serious, could always be forgiven (especially if someone owned up to them) but no forgiveness, none whatsoever, could there be for two things: lying and cheating. Before becoming an officer, a cadet had to be a gentleman and a gentleman, we were told, did not lie or cheat.

Officers don’t take an oath to serve one-man rule. Their oath is to defend the country and the Constitution. Lost respect won’t be recovered if this is not kept in mind.

As for the political parties, in the maze of which forest are they lost? Maulana Fazlur Rahman (Maulana Diesel to his fans) while living up to his reputation of being a juggler, is throwing too many balls into the air. At the All Parties Conference in London I don’t know what seized him when he criticised the Chief Justice, saying that he could cut a deal with Musharraf and leave everyone stranded. What a thing to say!

The Maulana was probably looking at his own face in the mirror and judging the Chief Justice by that. And this was the man who kissed the Chief Justice’s hand when he first appeared before the Supreme Judicial Council.

And Benazir Bhutto? The one overriding passion ruling her seems to be to somehow get rid of the money-laundering cases hanging over her head, to achieve which aim she seems ready for anything, even a bargain with the devil, which is what a deal with the powers-that-be in these circumstances amounts to. Does she want this perception to grow? The legacy of Bhutto reduced to this. What a pity.

As for the Sharifs, what’s still keeping them in London is a puzzle waiting to be solved. If they want to seize the moment, they will have to make up their minds soon about returning to Pakistan – whether by plane to Peshawar or by motor launch to Gwadar. Only when their plans are firmed up and they are actually returning to the country should they approach the Supreme Court for protection, not before. Politicians must fight their own battles, as the lawyers fought theirs.

Dictators, even of the tinpot kind, don’t quit just like that. They cling to power until the bitter end hoping for some miracle to save them. How do they change their minds? How do they start thinking of ‘exit strategies’? When the national mood turns ugly and people are roused to action, as lawyers were roused to action by the deposition of the Chief Justice.

By any objective standard, Gen Musharraf has not been much of a leader in war (remember Kargil) or peace (look at the last eight years). But as his time comes to an end, he can do the nation a favour by realising that the play is up and the curtains have come down. Let him not go raging into the night. For once Pakistan can do with a gentle transition.

Urstruly,

I had couple of bitter exchange of emails with Ayaz Mir in 1999 when he was writing against the civilian government and then he supported the Musharaf coup and we pretty much exchanged some sharp words and after that we never communicated in any form.

I have not read his articles since then. To me he is just another flat world type in Pakistan. I hope you know the guy who writes in NYT and is now famous for his " iraq unit of time". Yes I am talking about Friedman.

I am not going to read his article now so you just post what you wanna say. And don't use his non sense to support your argument.

There is no doubt that there is oppression in Pakistan, there is no doubt that army has brought misery to people of Pakistan and there is no doubt that People of Pakistan deserve democracy.
But your friends Afghans/pathans of the tribal areas are as against the democracy as the army is. They are as pro-oppression as the army is and they are as anti people as the army is.

You are trying to trade one monster with another and bigger monster. These Islamist jihadis are criminals and mark my words now. Time will prove them the criminals that they are.

Puktoon Khan

"It was the fallacious vision and vested interests of Pakistani leaders due to which genuine political leadership was not encouraged to come forward and take the reigns of power to empower the masses of Pakistan and lead them towards the goals of progress and prosperity."

Poor Mr Khan, the reason for the lack of leadership in pakistan can be traced to the ideology of creation of pakistan. Every where in the world, the freedom struggle from the colonial rule creates heroes, it created heroes in India, the US and teh like, but not in pakistan. Pakistan was created to get rid of the colonial masters, it was created because of the hatred created by one mans work, the Jinnah.

In an ideology of hatred, there is no scope for any leaders to emerge, there is no vision of the future, there is no ideology...and that is the underlying reason for the military rule, the failing democracy you name it.

At last pakistan is living up to its only possible ideology of creation, islam.

Lal majid is the equivalent of the boston tea party, the 1857 war if independence. At last a few people of pakistan have united together and they are asking, pakistan ka matlab kys, why is pakistan an islamic republic only in parts, they are demanding the full sharia laws, the beheading, the kit and kabootle.

This is what the world had been waiting, and finally the islamic bomb will come in the hands of the hands of the jihadis, and that is when pakistan will be iraquised.

The only change and rule of law in pakistan will come only after its iraquisation and its partition.

Pak army on the run

Today dawn has reported that army guys have been asked not to crowd arround move in small groups for fear of the suicide bombers, nearly a thousand of them are moving to islamabad.

The pak army will move to the cantonments and the barracks, to protect themselves. They used a similar tactics in Bangladesh, where they expected the Indian army to attack their barracks. Indian troops simply went for dacca, and rest is part pakistan disgrace. The same plan is put to practice by the pak army, teh streets have been taken over by the jihadis and criminals.

Puktoon

"Establish industries in the tribal belt. Industrialization creates its own culture and values and changes the thinking, lifestyle, needs and life goals of individual. It is a real and practical tool for cultural engineering. Values and culture are products of technology."

You should be really from paktoon, no idea about the industry location dynamics. Industries can be established only where the resources are available, both human and capital. You say that the people are un=educayed, and hence no engineering industry is possible. The people have a long history of war and killings and that is their skills. Thsi has been used by the pak army.

The kargill invasion was done by these jihadis. That is all they can do, kill, in fact most savage form of killing, as it happened to Captian Kalia of India army in Kragill.

Leave the tribals alone, give them a few daisy cutters if you are very particular.

Pukhtoon Khan Sahib,
There is a saying out west it says "you can't have your cake and eat it too". Similarly Paktoons cant have a region where they call the shots "legally speaking" and be called law abiding citizens of pakistan. Its quite a joke to attack your own army, and police, and when retaliated the same pathan cries woe is me, woe is me. Pakistan Army should quarantine FATA from Pakistan side and invite the crusader army to come and bulldoze the cesspool in the indegenous Pakhtoon area. Down with Pakhtoonwali and long live the civil institutions.

P.S you mention, see quote
"The people in the tribal belt and Pushtoons are totally innocent and they have no idea whatsoever about Al-Qaeda....."

Do you really, honestly, whole heartedly believe that. If you do I have a brooklyn bridge for sale. A Sindhi, Punjabi, Kashmiri(jammu), a Mohajir (proud Pakistani) or a Baluchi is not allowed to come visit FATA, but uzbeks, saudis, yeminis are allowed, because the poor pakhtoon people cant tell the difference between an arabic speaking yemeni or a russian speaking uzbek.
Paktoon bhai jan,
A pathan loves his radio. Venture into Nowshera,pubbi, qisa khawani bazaar, all pathans are holding a short Wave radio playing with the dial to tune into BBC Pashtu, or VOA urdu. If BBC and VOA havent spoken about Al Qaeda, I could take your argument with a grain of salt. Even that doesnt fly though. Its Time to wake up and smell the morning coffee paktoon bhaijan.

banneditem,

In fact FATA will be quite happy if you removed your troops from there and let them join Kandhar.

Are you willing to do that?

Please stop your ignorant rant.