Militarily Troubled Pakistan and Terribly Administered Tribals

Dear HP,

Your knowledge about Pakistan, and perhaps even India, is much more than mine. Therefore I shall not question the totality of your assertions. Nevertheless, it seems to me that your predictions about the future and your analysis about the current situation is based solely on past history. Isn't it plausible that something quite different from the past is happening in Pakistan? Could it be the case that the common woman in Pakistan is reacting to state oppression by coalescing around Islamic ideals (in whatever manner it is understood by her)? Isn't it possible that this nascent 'awakening' is actually leader-less as of now but could develop into a full blown agitation against present institutions (state or otherwise)? Note, I like you, do not believe that the people behind the bombings etc. are providing any sort of LEADERSHIP across Pakistani masses, at least not as of now. But aren't they keeping the moot issue alive - the issue that a small segment of the population have been ruling Pakistan without allowing for the political participation of the masses? If so then isn't it possible that if the liberals do not wake up and smell the coffee then the leadership which will emerge to channel this movement is going to be anti-liberal?

If the above possibilities have even an iota of probability then I believe that liberals should move beyond definitions of 'liberal-fascism' and the like. I, actually, think that the label 'liberal-fascist' could be quite appropriate for certain sections of the population in Pakistan and India.

Dear HP,

In #33, I highlighted some of my disagreements with you. Needless to say that I agree with a lot of what yu say. In particular, I strongly agree that if the political leadership that emerges is fundoo then God help Pakistan. The ruling cabal may try to Talibanize Pakistan. If so, a civil war along the lines of the Spanish Civil war (you know what I mean) could well emerge. Foreigners may not be participating ONLY in the Taliban camp!

#32 Posted by echoboom,

Yes Echoboom:

Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains; An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.

It amazes me when some morons claim the technology is now predators, hellfires ... etc ... What they forget is that the gora was defeated with his superior technology of THAT time, and is being now defeated with his superior technology of THIS time ...

...sigh...

Below is not for the westoxicated scum (copyright echoboom) because they can't read Urdu:

#34 Posted by GT,

GT, I'm still waiting for an answer from HP regarding his assertion of just yesterday, based on the past, that Lal Masjid/Jamia Hafsa was just a 'drama'.

Pathan warrior is so great that when he takes a piss next to a wall that has death to Israel written on it, and someone honks their horn he jumps and hugs the very sign he was pissing on. Bravo Bravo.
This other pathan decorated his sohrab bicycle with two bells to give it a stereo ring to it. Nothing like a pathan dressed up in his shiny skull cap riding his bike covered in gold "haars", ringing his stereo bell trying to impress his brothers good looking boys for a date. Its all in the family.

{"The latest gift of wrong Pakistani policies is the US warning of challenging the sovereignty of Pakistan by attacking the Tribals who have been serving as volunteer army for Pakistan and offered volunteer services in conquering the current Azad Kashmir while the army has been enjoying all the perks and portfolios for more than four decades in Pakistan history. "}

Khan Sahib,
Very good article, placing the blame where it belongs - the upper ruling elite of Pakistan!

Whether Mohajir, Sindhi, Baluch, Pathan, Poor Punjabi, or Kashmiri, the long-suffering people of Pakistan have been had by these kala Angrez. They have divided us, manipulated us, killed us, and even bifurcated our country at the altar of their own material well-being. Maybe we need a French Revolution.

Re: # 11

Wrong again dear ignorant fool,

Tribal Areas were riled up and politicised in the name of Islam by none other than Frontier Gandhi and his cohorts when they riled up people in the Frontier that Pakistan would not be a sharia-based Islamic state. It was then that Fakir of Ipi was encouraged against the Pakistani state by these brothers who claimed to be "secular" and yet used Islam in the most cynical way.

But one can forgive you for being the ignorant Hindu fascist fanatic that you are... after all you had no idea about Gandhi's role in the Khilafat Movement and Gandhi's encouragement of the Mullahs either did you?

But how about blaming the right people for the right mess for once in you life?

zeemax #28 You asked for what I think of the BB-Musharraf deal. No doubt this is Plan B for Musharraf to prolong his stay in power that he loves so much. Plan A being to stay in power by appearing as the lesser of two evils to the outside world and to Pakistanis.

And any plan to deny Pakistanis the right to free and fair elections within the legal framework is a plan to continue denying Pakistanis their right to have political leaders who are accountable to them. This does not change what I wrote to Urstruly, of course.

The westoxicated scum in Pakistan would lose their "ELITE" status in a minute if ALL official work is done in URDU.

The Paper-pushing work, can be done by upto any senior middle management level by a PancNchVeen jaamaat paas from the lowest-level madrassa in Pakistan. 9)% energies of the westoxicated scum is wasted in trying to communicate the gobbledygook called "english" by these turkeys to the ones who are more advanced and learned themselves. ..such energy is also watsed to tryingb to look as if they are not their father's son but an Amreekan kaa bachhaa..black or white..white still ranks higher on the taTTa-pole.

Hope the westoxicated ones are reading this to commit hara-kiri..if they have an iota of ghairat left in them.
____________________________________________________________
A TRUE American writes

WAKE UP GUYS,
We sell guns and arms for a living. this is how we make our nation so GREAT. It even put the GREAT in our good friends GREAT BRITAIN.

We make money from War, Famine, Natural Disasters and any other world event that needs fixing. And the profit does not all go to the military

Who funds more than 90% of all conflicts in the world? THE BANKS DO. (including our own)

If we had no war in the ME or Africa we would have an economy on the run.

Where there is War, there is opportunity.
So we should appreciate Bushs actions as its another step to boosting our economy and keeping our long-term allies in good-stead

Posted by: A True American | July 30, 2007 12:36 PM

If you look at Military speanding of muslim countries, its the highest amongst other nations including G8 nations. I was talking to a drug dealer the other day, and asked why he sold drugs knowing that they kill people, his response was a simple "sir, if people stop buying them I will be out of business, so rather than condemn me for simply making a living, why dont you condemn them that have the money and keep buying weapons".

Echoboom, you are simply jealous of US not selling M-16s to muslim fanatics. Tell your sad story to the Russians and tell them to stop making Ak47s, lets see how fast they push a big tanks gun up your al-Qaeda cave and leave it in that area for others as an example.

#42 Posted by tahmed32,

That was not my question. My question was 'Are these the lying cheating liberal fascists?'

#44 Posted by cicada,

We will just fight with kalashnikovs and in chappals and at best sneakers ... fool ...

#46 more like lobbing rocks and sticks just like your palestinian brothers in an intifada will be more like it, you need some technical know how in order to operate an Ak47, which the pathan lacks. AK47 is not like your ghulail or a 12 gauge dazza. Ooooh now I see what the issue is the real issue is not the western powers making weapons, its the fact that they have to send in technical specialists "white boys" to train the donkey brains " the great pathan suits" and that is a big no no, because god forbid if the outside world saw the squalid conditions the "pathan suit" lives in.

#38 Posted by zeemax

"GT, I'm still waiting for an answer from HP regarding his assertion of just yesterday, based on the past, that Lal Masjid/Jamia Hafsa was just a 'drama'."

Zee:

I do not disagree about the 'drama'. 'Drama' it was. A trivial point is what does one mean by 'drama'. More serious are the consequences of this 'drama'.