Militarily Troubled Pakistan and Terribly Administered Tribals
Pukhtoon Khan July 29, 2007
#81 Posted by MantoLives on July 30, 2007 8:29:10 pm
PPS: "Hatred for Gandhi" ... "over doing it"
Unless telling the facts like they are is "over doing it", I cannot agree with such a statement.
While I was only responding to JayP's usual abuse, here are the facts:
Achyuth Patwardhan, one of the Socialist stalwarts in the Congress, has given a remarkably candid and self critical analysis of the Congress Party vis-a-vis Khilafat: ’It is, however, useful to recognise our share of this error of misdirection. To begin with, I am convinced that looking back upon the course of development of the freedom movement, THE ’HIMALAYAN ERROR’ of Gandhiji’s leadership was the support he extended on behalf of the Congress and the Indian people to the Khilafat Movement at the end of the World War I. This has proved to be a disastrous error which has brought in its wake a series of harmful consequences. On merits, it was a thoroughly reactionary step. The Khilafat was totally unworthy of support of the Progressive Muslims. Kemel Pasha established this solid fact by abolition of the Khilafat. The abolition of the Khilafat was widely welcomed by enlightened Muslim opinion the world over and Kemel was an undoubted hero of all young Muslims straining against Imperialist domination. But apart from the fact that Khilafat was an unworthy reactionary cause, Mahatma Gandhi had to align himself with a sectarian revivalist Muslim Leadership of clerics and maulvis. He was thus unwittingly responsible for jettisoning sane, secular, modernist leadership among the Muslims of India and foisting upon the Indian Muslims a theocratic orthodoxy of the Maulvis. Maulana Mohammed Ali’s speeches read today appear strangely incoherent and out of tune with the spirit of secular political freedom. The Congress Movement which released the forces of religious liberalism and reform among the Hindus, and evoked a rational scientific outlook, placed the Muslims of India under the spell of orthodoxy and religious superstition by their support to the Khilafat leadership. Rationalist leaders like Jinnah were rebuffed by this attitude of Congress and Gandhi. This is the background of the psychological rift between Congress and the Muslim League’.
and
’Since the Khilafat agitation, things have changed and it has been one of the many injuries inflicted on India by the encouragement of the Khilafat crusade, that the inner Muslim feeling of hatred against ’unbelievers’ has sprung up, naked and unashamed, as in years gone by’.
and
A terrible and gruesome fallout of the disastrous Khilafat experiment of Mahatma Gandhi was the Moplah Rebellion in Malabar District in 1921. According to the Report of the ENQUIRY COMMITTEE OF SERVANTS OF INDIA SOCIETY, the number of Hindus murdered by Moplah Muslims was 1500, the number of Hindus forcibly converted 20,000 and the value of property looted about Rs three crore. When the national and local leaders appealed to the virulently anti-Hindu Moplah Muslims in the name of Mahatma Gandhi to follow the ways of peace and non-violence, they replied bluntly with Islamic fervour: ’GANDHI IS A KAFIR, HOW CAN HE BE OUR LEADER?’ Dr Anne Besant declared: ’The Moplah Muslim marauders murdered and plundered abundantly, killed or drove away all Hindus who would not apostatize. Somewhere about 100,000 people were driven from their homes with nothing but the clothes they had on, stripped of everything’. She also accused all the Khilafat religious preachers for all this terrible atrocities. J Campbell, chief of the Intelligence Department, Government of India, held the Khilafat leaders squarely responsible for inciting racial hatred resulting in Moplah carnage.
http://www.newstodaynet.com/2006sud/06aug/2208ss1.htm
Mahatma Gandhi’s attempt to harness the feeling for the cause of national independence backfired and led to the uprising in Kerala known as the Moplah Rebellion. It took the British several months to put it down at the cost of thousands of lives.
Moplahs were very much part of the grand Khilafat Movement that Gandhi was spearheading and Gandhi kept apologising for them
The Dravidian Moplahs had directed their revolt with class venom against some Aryan high-caste Hindus with property as well as Britishers: Brahmanical elements tried to use that to spark a crisis in Hindu-Muslim relations all over India. Gandhi tried to hold a balance: like the U.S. press and the Negro nationalists who read it he stressed that the Moplah uprising could be made part of a united drive for independence by Indians of all sects.But he was also aware of the pan-Islamic dimension: in a December 1921 call to the British to suspend their attacks against the Moplahs, he was to observe that the Moplahs saw themselves as fighting for a religion with methods they considered religious: Yogesh Chadha, Rediscovering Gandhi (London: Century 1997) p. 254.
And lets not forget the Tehreek-e-Hijrat Fatwa that Gandhi’s right hand man Azad gave to Muslims which gave Muslims two options "JEHAD" or "HIJRAT".
The Muslim Ulema, thinkers and activists called for the boycott of foreign goods and non-cooperation with the British government. Meetings were organised in order to rally the masses to support these issues. The meetings were organised under the banner of Mo’tamar al-Ansar (The Workers Conference) and various newspapers such as Al-Hilal of Maualana Abul Kalam Azad and The Comrade of Maulana Mohammad Ali Jauhar. Both Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad and Maulana Maulana Mohammad Ali Jauhar were put behind bars for publishing anti-British articles in their newspapers. The latter spent four years in prison between 1911 and 1915CE.
The allegiance of the Muslim intelligentsia of India at that to the Khilafah is unquestionable. Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad summed up their view when he wrote in his newspaper al-Hilal on 6th November 1912 that the Ottoman Sultans possessed the only sword which Muslims had for their protection. Insofar as the “caliphate was essentially a religious integration of the shari’a”, it became “necessary by revelation, is of God’s institution and that obedience to its authority is farz, or positively commanded”.
The Khilafat Movement
In September 1919, Maulana Muhammad Ali and his brother Shaukat Ali, together with Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad, Dr. Mukhtar Ahmed Ansari, and Hasrat Mohani, started a new organization, the Khilafat Movement (1919-1924). Their avowed aim was to use whatever leverage they had to protect the Khilafah. They organized Khilafat Conferences in several northern Indian cities. It is noticeable that the scholars and activists that were part of the Khilafat movement came from different schools of thought and backgrounds, for example Maulana Abul Kalam Azad was known to be a ‘ghayr taqleedi’ (non-taqleedi – who believed Taqleed to Mazahib is prohibited) and Maulana Mahmood Hasan was Deobandi who are followers of the Hanafi Mazhab yet they were united in the objective of working for the maintenance of the Khilafah.
In 1919, the Bombay Khilafat Committee agreed on two important organisational goals: “first, to urge the retention of the temporal powers of the Sultan of Turkey as Caliph, and second to ensure his continued suzerainty over the Islamic holy places.”
Delivering the presidential address at the Calcutta meeting of the Bengal Provincial Khilafat Conference in 1920, Maulana Azad discussed the importance of Khilafah he declared, “the purpose of this institution was to organise and lead the Muslim community in the right path, to establish justice, to bring about peace, and to spread God’s word in the world. For all this it was absolutely necessary for the caliph to possess temporal power”. Maulana Azad had no doubt that “without an Imam, their lives were un-Islamic and that they would be damned after death”.
Maulana Azad published a book in 1920 called Masla-e-Khilafat (The Issue of Khilafah), he stated: “Without the Khilafah the existence of Islam is not possible, the Muslims of India with all their effort and power need to work for this”.
In the same book page 176 Maulana Azad said, “There are two types of ahkam shariah, the first is related to the individual like the commands and prohibitions, the fara’id (obligations) and wajibat in order to perfect oneself. The second is not related to the individual but is related to the Ummah, nation, collective obligations and state politics like the conquering of lands, political and economic laws”.
According to Peter Hardy, Maulana Azad believed that, “The Muslim who would separate religion and politics for Muslims is an apostate who works silently”.
The loss of political power in India and the threat posed by a combination of forces to the temporal authority of the caliph, was so worrisome for the leaders of the Muslim community that some of them felt compelled to issue fatwas ‘in favour of migration (hijra)’ from India.
Maulana Abul Kalam Azad issued a fatwa which was published in the daily Ahl-e-Hadith of Amritsar on 30 July 1920. In his fatwa he urged Hijrat from India as an alternative to non-cooperation with the British. (YLH’s note: Was the Hijaz Born Azad a "Wahabi"... note "Ahle-Hadith)
Maulana Abdul Bari’s fatwa said, “every Muslim residing here should adopt non-cooperation but if (that is) impossible, should proceed for hijrat”. Maulana Shaukat Ali issued a statement on behalf of the Central Khilafat Committee, “expressing the hope that all dedicated Muslims would stay in India and work for the non-cooperation. Only if it did not succeed would they consider resorting to hijrat”. The impact of the fatwa was electrifying and thousands of Muslims preferred to leave the Dar al harb of India where their religious rights symbolized in the position of the Turkish Caliph was being infringed.
And most amazing was the fact that Gandhi’s encouragement led to Deobandi ulema creating the Jamiat ulema Hind ... which in its numerous forms and heads plagues South Asia even today... and all these groups are spin offs of the same.
....
Unless telling the facts like they are is "over doing it", I cannot agree with such a statement.
While I was only responding to JayP's usual abuse, here are the facts:
Achyuth Patwardhan, one of the Socialist stalwarts in the Congress, has given a remarkably candid and self critical analysis of the Congress Party vis-a-vis Khilafat: ’It is, however, useful to recognise our share of this error of misdirection. To begin with, I am convinced that looking back upon the course of development of the freedom movement, THE ’HIMALAYAN ERROR’ of Gandhiji’s leadership was the support he extended on behalf of the Congress and the Indian people to the Khilafat Movement at the end of the World War I. This has proved to be a disastrous error which has brought in its wake a series of harmful consequences. On merits, it was a thoroughly reactionary step. The Khilafat was totally unworthy of support of the Progressive Muslims. Kemel Pasha established this solid fact by abolition of the Khilafat. The abolition of the Khilafat was widely welcomed by enlightened Muslim opinion the world over and Kemel was an undoubted hero of all young Muslims straining against Imperialist domination. But apart from the fact that Khilafat was an unworthy reactionary cause, Mahatma Gandhi had to align himself with a sectarian revivalist Muslim Leadership of clerics and maulvis. He was thus unwittingly responsible for jettisoning sane, secular, modernist leadership among the Muslims of India and foisting upon the Indian Muslims a theocratic orthodoxy of the Maulvis. Maulana Mohammed Ali’s speeches read today appear strangely incoherent and out of tune with the spirit of secular political freedom. The Congress Movement which released the forces of religious liberalism and reform among the Hindus, and evoked a rational scientific outlook, placed the Muslims of India under the spell of orthodoxy and religious superstition by their support to the Khilafat leadership. Rationalist leaders like Jinnah were rebuffed by this attitude of Congress and Gandhi. This is the background of the psychological rift between Congress and the Muslim League’.
and
’Since the Khilafat agitation, things have changed and it has been one of the many injuries inflicted on India by the encouragement of the Khilafat crusade, that the inner Muslim feeling of hatred against ’unbelievers’ has sprung up, naked and unashamed, as in years gone by’.
and
A terrible and gruesome fallout of the disastrous Khilafat experiment of Mahatma Gandhi was the Moplah Rebellion in Malabar District in 1921. According to the Report of the ENQUIRY COMMITTEE OF SERVANTS OF INDIA SOCIETY, the number of Hindus murdered by Moplah Muslims was 1500, the number of Hindus forcibly converted 20,000 and the value of property looted about Rs three crore. When the national and local leaders appealed to the virulently anti-Hindu Moplah Muslims in the name of Mahatma Gandhi to follow the ways of peace and non-violence, they replied bluntly with Islamic fervour: ’GANDHI IS A KAFIR, HOW CAN HE BE OUR LEADER?’ Dr Anne Besant declared: ’The Moplah Muslim marauders murdered and plundered abundantly, killed or drove away all Hindus who would not apostatize. Somewhere about 100,000 people were driven from their homes with nothing but the clothes they had on, stripped of everything’. She also accused all the Khilafat religious preachers for all this terrible atrocities. J Campbell, chief of the Intelligence Department, Government of India, held the Khilafat leaders squarely responsible for inciting racial hatred resulting in Moplah carnage.
http://www.newstodaynet.com/2006sud/06aug/2208ss1.htm
Mahatma Gandhi’s attempt to harness the feeling for the cause of national independence backfired and led to the uprising in Kerala known as the Moplah Rebellion. It took the British several months to put it down at the cost of thousands of lives.
Moplahs were very much part of the grand Khilafat Movement that Gandhi was spearheading and Gandhi kept apologising for them
The Dravidian Moplahs had directed their revolt with class venom against some Aryan high-caste Hindus with property as well as Britishers: Brahmanical elements tried to use that to spark a crisis in Hindu-Muslim relations all over India. Gandhi tried to hold a balance: like the U.S. press and the Negro nationalists who read it he stressed that the Moplah uprising could be made part of a united drive for independence by Indians of all sects.But he was also aware of the pan-Islamic dimension: in a December 1921 call to the British to suspend their attacks against the Moplahs, he was to observe that the Moplahs saw themselves as fighting for a religion with methods they considered religious: Yogesh Chadha, Rediscovering Gandhi (London: Century 1997) p. 254.
And lets not forget the Tehreek-e-Hijrat Fatwa that Gandhi’s right hand man Azad gave to Muslims which gave Muslims two options "JEHAD" or "HIJRAT".
The Muslim Ulema, thinkers and activists called for the boycott of foreign goods and non-cooperation with the British government. Meetings were organised in order to rally the masses to support these issues. The meetings were organised under the banner of Mo’tamar al-Ansar (The Workers Conference) and various newspapers such as Al-Hilal of Maualana Abul Kalam Azad and The Comrade of Maulana Mohammad Ali Jauhar. Both Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad and Maulana Maulana Mohammad Ali Jauhar were put behind bars for publishing anti-British articles in their newspapers. The latter spent four years in prison between 1911 and 1915CE.
The allegiance of the Muslim intelligentsia of India at that to the Khilafah is unquestionable. Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad summed up their view when he wrote in his newspaper al-Hilal on 6th November 1912 that the Ottoman Sultans possessed the only sword which Muslims had for their protection. Insofar as the “caliphate was essentially a religious integration of the shari’a”, it became “necessary by revelation, is of God’s institution and that obedience to its authority is farz, or positively commanded”.
The Khilafat Movement
In September 1919, Maulana Muhammad Ali and his brother Shaukat Ali, together with Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad, Dr. Mukhtar Ahmed Ansari, and Hasrat Mohani, started a new organization, the Khilafat Movement (1919-1924). Their avowed aim was to use whatever leverage they had to protect the Khilafah. They organized Khilafat Conferences in several northern Indian cities. It is noticeable that the scholars and activists that were part of the Khilafat movement came from different schools of thought and backgrounds, for example Maulana Abul Kalam Azad was known to be a ‘ghayr taqleedi’ (non-taqleedi – who believed Taqleed to Mazahib is prohibited) and Maulana Mahmood Hasan was Deobandi who are followers of the Hanafi Mazhab yet they were united in the objective of working for the maintenance of the Khilafah.
In 1919, the Bombay Khilafat Committee agreed on two important organisational goals: “first, to urge the retention of the temporal powers of the Sultan of Turkey as Caliph, and second to ensure his continued suzerainty over the Islamic holy places.”
Delivering the presidential address at the Calcutta meeting of the Bengal Provincial Khilafat Conference in 1920, Maulana Azad discussed the importance of Khilafah he declared, “the purpose of this institution was to organise and lead the Muslim community in the right path, to establish justice, to bring about peace, and to spread God’s word in the world. For all this it was absolutely necessary for the caliph to possess temporal power”. Maulana Azad had no doubt that “without an Imam, their lives were un-Islamic and that they would be damned after death”.
Maulana Azad published a book in 1920 called Masla-e-Khilafat (The Issue of Khilafah), he stated: “Without the Khilafah the existence of Islam is not possible, the Muslims of India with all their effort and power need to work for this”.
In the same book page 176 Maulana Azad said, “There are two types of ahkam shariah, the first is related to the individual like the commands and prohibitions, the fara’id (obligations) and wajibat in order to perfect oneself. The second is not related to the individual but is related to the Ummah, nation, collective obligations and state politics like the conquering of lands, political and economic laws”.
According to Peter Hardy, Maulana Azad believed that, “The Muslim who would separate religion and politics for Muslims is an apostate who works silently”.
The loss of political power in India and the threat posed by a combination of forces to the temporal authority of the caliph, was so worrisome for the leaders of the Muslim community that some of them felt compelled to issue fatwas ‘in favour of migration (hijra)’ from India.
Maulana Abul Kalam Azad issued a fatwa which was published in the daily Ahl-e-Hadith of Amritsar on 30 July 1920. In his fatwa he urged Hijrat from India as an alternative to non-cooperation with the British. (YLH’s note: Was the Hijaz Born Azad a "Wahabi"... note "Ahle-Hadith)
Maulana Abdul Bari’s fatwa said, “every Muslim residing here should adopt non-cooperation but if (that is) impossible, should proceed for hijrat”. Maulana Shaukat Ali issued a statement on behalf of the Central Khilafat Committee, “expressing the hope that all dedicated Muslims would stay in India and work for the non-cooperation. Only if it did not succeed would they consider resorting to hijrat”. The impact of the fatwa was electrifying and thousands of Muslims preferred to leave the Dar al harb of India where their religious rights symbolized in the position of the Turkish Caliph was being infringed.
And most amazing was the fact that Gandhi’s encouragement led to Deobandi ulema creating the Jamiat ulema Hind ... which in its numerous forms and heads plagues South Asia even today... and all these groups are spin offs of the same.
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#82 Posted by echoboom on July 30, 2007 9:00:32 pm
Here a Nation acts with pride & dignity & doesn not give in to the goraa-goondaas: Salaam India, Salaam.
and then there are our Cantonment kuttaa who is earning blood-money to confine, capture, kill those who are mujahids and fighting hard to get the goraa-baboons out of Muslim Lands...
This Cantonment & colonied "ELITE" will InshaAllah see a day soon when they will be dragged on the streets of all muslim lands & given exemplary treatment so that KanjarRs will ever dare to raise their ugly heads & try to act western ever again.
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Scrum ... Reunited with famly in India, Dr Haneef is vowing to fight for his right to work in Australia / AP / The Associated Press
Mohamed Haneef to fight to have visa restored
July 31, 2007 07:24am
THE Indian doctor detained for more than three weeks in Australia on false terrorism-related charges vowed overnight to "fight" to have his visa restored so he could return to work in the country.
Mohamed Haneef, 27, also demanded the Australian authorities apologise to India over the affair, and did not rule out taking legal action.
"I would like to return to Australia, I would like my visa back, I will fight for that," the former Gold Coast Hospital registrar said in the southern Indian city of Bangalore, his hometown.
"I enjoyed my time working at the Gold Coast Hospital and am saddened that until my visa has been returned that I am unable to return and work as a doctor there," said the medic, who was calm but visibly angered over his ordeal.
Dr Haneef was held in custody for almost four weeks and charged with providing "reckless" support to a terrorist group in connection with last month's failed car bombings in London and Glasgow.
But the case against him collapsed on Friday due to a lack of evidence.
A day later he was allowed to fly home to Bangalore, where he was reunited with his wife and saw his one-month-old baby for the first time.
Dr Haneef's Australian lawyer, Peter Russo, earlier foreshadowed legal action for damages to the doctor's reputation, but when asked if he intended to sue the Australian Government over his ordeal, Dr Haneef replied: "I have not sought any legal advice on this matter at this time; that will be later on."
"I don't expect an apology from the Australian Government or the authorities, but I would appreciate if they apologise to my peace-loving country and citizens," he said.
Asked if he felt he had been victimised as an Asian Muslim, Dr Haneef replied: "There might be an element of that.
"Islam narrates peace and love and nothing else. I am a true Islam follower."
Not sorry
Prime Minister John Howard had earlier dismissed calls for an inquiry into the bungled case and said the Muslim medic should not expect an apology.
Mr Howard said that when it came to preventing attacks, it was "better to be safe than sorry".
And he stood by Immigration minister Kevin Andrews's decision to cancel Dr Haneef's visa on character grounds, saying he was acting on "secret information".
Mr Andrews said he was keen to release the information but was consulting the commonwealth solicitor-general on whether he could do so.
Visa push
Meanwhile, Mr Russo has launched action in the Federal Court of Australia to have his visa restored.
He said he had a "strong case" to get Dr Haneef his visa back.
"We really need to restore his reputation," Mr Russo said. "The problem that we have in relation to whether or not we sue the (Australian) Government ... we haven't had the opportunity to sit down so that he can be fully informed of what all of his legal rights are."
Dr Haneef said: "I need a little time to think; I want to spend my time with my family at this time and see how it goes."
Mr Russo, who accompanied his client back to India, said Dr Haneef had endured an ordeal that was "difficult to comprehend".
"I found him to be a very humble and honest man and it gave me a great deal of honour and pleasure to assist him," Mr Russo said.
He said his client had cooperated fully with police, and even took the initiative to contact British authorities before his arrest.
Dr Haneef owned a mobile phone SIM card allegedly used in last month's attempted attacks in Britain. The doctor said he had given the card away in Britain before moving to Australia to work.
"He was detained without charge for up to 12 days, and I know that in different countries that isn't regarded as a big issue, but in Australia we have a system that says that shouldn't happen," Mr Russo said.
Calls are mounting for an inquiry into the Haneef case after police were described as bumbling "Keystone Cops" over their handling of the investigation.
But Mr Russo said Australian police were merely "like everyone in the world; there's good ones and there's bad ones".
and then there are our Cantonment kuttaa who is earning blood-money to confine, capture, kill those who are mujahids and fighting hard to get the goraa-baboons out of Muslim Lands...
This Cantonment & colonied "ELITE" will InshaAllah see a day soon when they will be dragged on the streets of all muslim lands & given exemplary treatment so that KanjarRs will ever dare to raise their ugly heads & try to act western ever again.
_____________________________________________________________
Scrum ... Reunited with famly in India, Dr Haneef is vowing to fight for his right to work in Australia / AP / The Associated Press
Mohamed Haneef to fight to have visa restored
July 31, 2007 07:24am
THE Indian doctor detained for more than three weeks in Australia on false terrorism-related charges vowed overnight to "fight" to have his visa restored so he could return to work in the country.
Mohamed Haneef, 27, also demanded the Australian authorities apologise to India over the affair, and did not rule out taking legal action.
"I would like to return to Australia, I would like my visa back, I will fight for that," the former Gold Coast Hospital registrar said in the southern Indian city of Bangalore, his hometown.
"I enjoyed my time working at the Gold Coast Hospital and am saddened that until my visa has been returned that I am unable to return and work as a doctor there," said the medic, who was calm but visibly angered over his ordeal.
Dr Haneef was held in custody for almost four weeks and charged with providing "reckless" support to a terrorist group in connection with last month's failed car bombings in London and Glasgow.
But the case against him collapsed on Friday due to a lack of evidence.
A day later he was allowed to fly home to Bangalore, where he was reunited with his wife and saw his one-month-old baby for the first time.
Dr Haneef's Australian lawyer, Peter Russo, earlier foreshadowed legal action for damages to the doctor's reputation, but when asked if he intended to sue the Australian Government over his ordeal, Dr Haneef replied: "I have not sought any legal advice on this matter at this time; that will be later on."
"I don't expect an apology from the Australian Government or the authorities, but I would appreciate if they apologise to my peace-loving country and citizens," he said.
Asked if he felt he had been victimised as an Asian Muslim, Dr Haneef replied: "There might be an element of that.
"Islam narrates peace and love and nothing else. I am a true Islam follower."
Not sorry
Prime Minister John Howard had earlier dismissed calls for an inquiry into the bungled case and said the Muslim medic should not expect an apology.
Mr Howard said that when it came to preventing attacks, it was "better to be safe than sorry".
And he stood by Immigration minister Kevin Andrews's decision to cancel Dr Haneef's visa on character grounds, saying he was acting on "secret information".
Mr Andrews said he was keen to release the information but was consulting the commonwealth solicitor-general on whether he could do so.
Visa push
Meanwhile, Mr Russo has launched action in the Federal Court of Australia to have his visa restored.
He said he had a "strong case" to get Dr Haneef his visa back.
"We really need to restore his reputation," Mr Russo said. "The problem that we have in relation to whether or not we sue the (Australian) Government ... we haven't had the opportunity to sit down so that he can be fully informed of what all of his legal rights are."
Dr Haneef said: "I need a little time to think; I want to spend my time with my family at this time and see how it goes."
Mr Russo, who accompanied his client back to India, said Dr Haneef had endured an ordeal that was "difficult to comprehend".
"I found him to be a very humble and honest man and it gave me a great deal of honour and pleasure to assist him," Mr Russo said.
He said his client had cooperated fully with police, and even took the initiative to contact British authorities before his arrest.
Dr Haneef owned a mobile phone SIM card allegedly used in last month's attempted attacks in Britain. The doctor said he had given the card away in Britain before moving to Australia to work.
"He was detained without charge for up to 12 days, and I know that in different countries that isn't regarded as a big issue, but in Australia we have a system that says that shouldn't happen," Mr Russo said.
Calls are mounting for an inquiry into the Haneef case after police were described as bumbling "Keystone Cops" over their handling of the investigation.
But Mr Russo said Australian police were merely "like everyone in the world; there's good ones and there's bad ones".
#83 Posted by rf786 on July 30, 2007 9:41:22 pm
Dear writer,
Childish to say the least, unaccurate and boorish article.
Putting UAE & Finland together, Sheikhdom with democratic welfare state, poor, very poor.
Grow up.
Childish to say the least, unaccurate and boorish article.
Putting UAE & Finland together, Sheikhdom with democratic welfare state, poor, very poor.
Grow up.
#84 Posted by HP on July 30, 2007 10:49:28 pm
#18 Posted by Urstruly
“the hotbed of sedition is not in NWFP , but in the capital of Pakistan,”
This is so far removed from the reality that I should not even respond to this but I will respond to it just to show you how clumsy you are in your debate.
Since when couple of suicide bombing incidents make a city of at least a million people, the hotbed of sedition? How do some gangsters from the Lal Mosque-who were too good to take some unarmed women out of their homes- and caved in the minute the army arrived, create a hotbed of sedition?
I am at a loss as to why you are complaining about the death of some Girls and women when they had ample opportunity to leave the compound. Some of them including the chief Mullah did leave in Burqa. Has any thing happened to them? They are still alive and making one false statement after another.
Sorry Urstruly, you should blame the mullah brothers of the mosque who did not allow the girls to leave. I think you should ask the parents of those who died there as to why their kids were still there after a six month of standoff. You should ask their parents why they allowed their little daughters to pick up Danda when they certainly were underage to do that.
I have written it before and I will write this again: the mullahs in Lal mosque were looking for some dead bodies to carry on their shoulders and they got them. Now what is stopping them? Go ahead and put those bodies on display all over the country. They can’t do that because despite the bodies’ Pakistani people rejected what the mullahs used those little girls and women for.
God Bless Mullah, he can ask people to die in the hope that they will go to paradise and mullah would have some more political power to boast.
#33 Posted by GT
“Could it be the case that the common woman in Pakistan is reacting to state oppression by coalescing around Islamic ideals”
GT you are beginning to disappoint me. What state oppression are we talking about here? The Islamists in Pakistan have never been oppressed by Pakistani state and that is the fact of life.
That is the crux of the matter Bengalis were oppressed, Sindhi and Baloch still are but do you know how they respond? They never use their mother and sisters and little daughters to end the oppression. The women that you saw at Lal Masjid were being used and abused by both the mullah and the military for their own political games.
#38 Posted by zeemax
My post was for Asadi and both of us have enough information to understand the context of what I wrote. Sorry if that is little beyond you. Instead of hyperbole and disinformation, if you start paying attention to details you will too figure out what I wrote. It will take me a long time to explain every thing to you and presently I have no interest in that.
“the hotbed of sedition is not in NWFP , but in the capital of Pakistan,”
This is so far removed from the reality that I should not even respond to this but I will respond to it just to show you how clumsy you are in your debate.
Since when couple of suicide bombing incidents make a city of at least a million people, the hotbed of sedition? How do some gangsters from the Lal Mosque-who were too good to take some unarmed women out of their homes- and caved in the minute the army arrived, create a hotbed of sedition?
I am at a loss as to why you are complaining about the death of some Girls and women when they had ample opportunity to leave the compound. Some of them including the chief Mullah did leave in Burqa. Has any thing happened to them? They are still alive and making one false statement after another.
Sorry Urstruly, you should blame the mullah brothers of the mosque who did not allow the girls to leave. I think you should ask the parents of those who died there as to why their kids were still there after a six month of standoff. You should ask their parents why they allowed their little daughters to pick up Danda when they certainly were underage to do that.
I have written it before and I will write this again: the mullahs in Lal mosque were looking for some dead bodies to carry on their shoulders and they got them. Now what is stopping them? Go ahead and put those bodies on display all over the country. They can’t do that because despite the bodies’ Pakistani people rejected what the mullahs used those little girls and women for.
God Bless Mullah, he can ask people to die in the hope that they will go to paradise and mullah would have some more political power to boast.
#33 Posted by GT
“Could it be the case that the common woman in Pakistan is reacting to state oppression by coalescing around Islamic ideals”
GT you are beginning to disappoint me. What state oppression are we talking about here? The Islamists in Pakistan have never been oppressed by Pakistani state and that is the fact of life.
That is the crux of the matter Bengalis were oppressed, Sindhi and Baloch still are but do you know how they respond? They never use their mother and sisters and little daughters to end the oppression. The women that you saw at Lal Masjid were being used and abused by both the mullah and the military for their own political games.
#38 Posted by zeemax
My post was for Asadi and both of us have enough information to understand the context of what I wrote. Sorry if that is little beyond you. Instead of hyperbole and disinformation, if you start paying attention to details you will too figure out what I wrote. It will take me a long time to explain every thing to you and presently I have no interest in that.
#85 Posted by HP on July 30, 2007 11:33:35 pm
#18 Posted by Urstruly
“Look, we belonging to the sensible segment of the society, where we do not have immediately something at stake here, shoul not find every door of hope closed for good. Pakistani nation, given the chance has always made the right decisions for itself. There is a way to save our society from Iraqization, which is to support the movements such as independence of judiciary and true democracy. Look, no army in the world can fight people. The defeated and humilitaed but proud people of Iraq and Afghnaistan has proven that to the worlds most fearsome war machine of US and NATO combined. NaPak fouj kis khait ki mooli hay.”
Let’s stop this rhetoric now. I am not about to bring the whole saga of Iraq and Afghanistan and what the US did there in to the debate. I have posted enough on those subjects and I don’t need to repeat what my stand is.
Right now we are concerned with Pakistan and what is happening there NOW. The Islamists are bent upon destroying that country. Yeah I can say Sindh would still be there when Pakistan dies and I can say that the Islamist will never be able to capture Sindh but we are talking about a country where you and I may not have much on stake now but for various reasons we do need to understand what is going on there.
Let me ask you this: we all know that the Taliban were a creation of the Pak army and they were nurtured and helped by them. Was the Pak army interested in Islam at that time or they were just using the Taliban to increase their sphere of influence?
Now tell me if you think the Pak army is sold out the liberals and the US then who is supporting the Taliban now.
Both of us have enough political understanding and knowledge to know that an enterprise of the Taliban level does not run on Zakat alone.
Now if we agree that Taliban are financially supported by some, then we do need to figure out who those angels are and what interests they have in financing and promoting the most non political segment of the Pakistani politics, the FATA tribes.
If we agree that the Pakistan army or the ISI in 1994 were not interested in Islam then can we now safely assume that perhaps the forces that are now supporting the Taliban are not interested in Islam or Jihad but have some other motives to provide the financial and military support to the Taliban.
Simple questions and I hope you have simple answers too.
“Look, we belonging to the sensible segment of the society, where we do not have immediately something at stake here, shoul not find every door of hope closed for good. Pakistani nation, given the chance has always made the right decisions for itself. There is a way to save our society from Iraqization, which is to support the movements such as independence of judiciary and true democracy. Look, no army in the world can fight people. The defeated and humilitaed but proud people of Iraq and Afghnaistan has proven that to the worlds most fearsome war machine of US and NATO combined. NaPak fouj kis khait ki mooli hay.”
Let’s stop this rhetoric now. I am not about to bring the whole saga of Iraq and Afghanistan and what the US did there in to the debate. I have posted enough on those subjects and I don’t need to repeat what my stand is.
Right now we are concerned with Pakistan and what is happening there NOW. The Islamists are bent upon destroying that country. Yeah I can say Sindh would still be there when Pakistan dies and I can say that the Islamist will never be able to capture Sindh but we are talking about a country where you and I may not have much on stake now but for various reasons we do need to understand what is going on there.
Let me ask you this: we all know that the Taliban were a creation of the Pak army and they were nurtured and helped by them. Was the Pak army interested in Islam at that time or they were just using the Taliban to increase their sphere of influence?
Now tell me if you think the Pak army is sold out the liberals and the US then who is supporting the Taliban now.
Both of us have enough political understanding and knowledge to know that an enterprise of the Taliban level does not run on Zakat alone.
Now if we agree that Taliban are financially supported by some, then we do need to figure out who those angels are and what interests they have in financing and promoting the most non political segment of the Pakistani politics, the FATA tribes.
If we agree that the Pakistan army or the ISI in 1994 were not interested in Islam then can we now safely assume that perhaps the forces that are now supporting the Taliban are not interested in Islam or Jihad but have some other motives to provide the financial and military support to the Taliban.
Simple questions and I hope you have simple answers too.
#86 Posted by zeemax on July 31, 2007 12:11:33 am
#84 Posted by HP,
Hmmm . so now you hide behind masadi.
Well ...you could now have at-least found escape in the line that it indeed was a manufactured drama by agencies in league with the brothers which went seriously wrong.
That would have been a better refuge.
Hmmm . so now you hide behind masadi.
Well ...you could now have at-least found escape in the line that it indeed was a manufactured drama by agencies in league with the brothers which went seriously wrong.
That would have been a better refuge.
#87 Posted by jayp on July 31, 2007 1:08:47 am
HP 85
Your simple questions will never be answered by any pakistani, because it will be an admission of the effects of 60 years of k for kafir education in pakistan. All of the pakistanis, whether educated in the madrassa or not subscribe to the TNT view that muslims cannot live with people of another religion. The madrassas use the koran format and translates the TNT ideology into jihad.
The educated like the YLH and tahmed with the non-madrassa education provide a westernised pretense and support for the works of teh jihadis. They are the ones to state repeatedly that hoodood is a Zia creation while ignoring that several other rulers including Mushy refused to change any aspect of it, primarily because the pakistanis all like that, because it is in line with koran.
The same with the taliban. They are supported by the collections all through pakistan, supported by the YLHs and thameds alike. The poor jihadis cannot be funding their own jihad.
The pak army at the foot soldier level are all from the madrassas. The only place a madrassa graduste can go is either to become a mullah or join army. It is this rank and file support of the army that prevents mushy from taking any action against the taliban. Some of the madrassa graduate join taliban, some join pak army, there is no distinction between the two, in terms of background.
Irrespective of what the YLH will say, jihad is central to islam and no one is going to prevent the teaching of it. The only way it can be controlled is only by dominating the muslim state by another power. Jihadis are not there in saudi, turkey etc because the people are not freely allowed to follow koran, Pak elections and democracy will be bad for the world, as the jihadis will come to power.
Partitioning of pakistan is the only option.
Your simple questions will never be answered by any pakistani, because it will be an admission of the effects of 60 years of k for kafir education in pakistan. All of the pakistanis, whether educated in the madrassa or not subscribe to the TNT view that muslims cannot live with people of another religion. The madrassas use the koran format and translates the TNT ideology into jihad.
The educated like the YLH and tahmed with the non-madrassa education provide a westernised pretense and support for the works of teh jihadis. They are the ones to state repeatedly that hoodood is a Zia creation while ignoring that several other rulers including Mushy refused to change any aspect of it, primarily because the pakistanis all like that, because it is in line with koran.
The same with the taliban. They are supported by the collections all through pakistan, supported by the YLHs and thameds alike. The poor jihadis cannot be funding their own jihad.
The pak army at the foot soldier level are all from the madrassas. The only place a madrassa graduste can go is either to become a mullah or join army. It is this rank and file support of the army that prevents mushy from taking any action against the taliban. Some of the madrassa graduate join taliban, some join pak army, there is no distinction between the two, in terms of background.
Irrespective of what the YLH will say, jihad is central to islam and no one is going to prevent the teaching of it. The only way it can be controlled is only by dominating the muslim state by another power. Jihadis are not there in saudi, turkey etc because the people are not freely allowed to follow koran, Pak elections and democracy will be bad for the world, as the jihadis will come to power.
Partitioning of pakistan is the only option.
#88 Posted by jayp on July 31, 2007 1:16:32 am
one way street,
Pakistan is on a one way street to talibanisation. The pak army will not attack waziristan and it is a matter of time, the uS will strike, and more of the pak army will die in their barracks, killed by the suicide bombers.
There is no defference between the pak army and the taliban, and a few occasional killings by the army are only a show for teh americans.
The pak leaders keep asking the US for evidence of Osama in pakistan, while they are making no efforts to find him.
The same is true for Dawood Ibrahim, they want india to tell them where dawood is. This tamasha cannot go on for ever, the americans are getting fed up with this type tricks. There should be some notion of sovereignity, some determination to find the criminals and one cannot expect another country to give proof.
Time to iraquise pakistan, finish off the army and rest will follow.
Pakistan is on a one way street to talibanisation. The pak army will not attack waziristan and it is a matter of time, the uS will strike, and more of the pak army will die in their barracks, killed by the suicide bombers.
There is no defference between the pak army and the taliban, and a few occasional killings by the army are only a show for teh americans.
The pak leaders keep asking the US for evidence of Osama in pakistan, while they are making no efforts to find him.
The same is true for Dawood Ibrahim, they want india to tell them where dawood is. This tamasha cannot go on for ever, the americans are getting fed up with this type tricks. There should be some notion of sovereignity, some determination to find the criminals and one cannot expect another country to give proof.
Time to iraquise pakistan, finish off the army and rest will follow.
#89 Posted by jayp on July 31, 2007 1:50:15 am
YLH,
Instead of keep repeating the same posts about some persons views on Gandhi, try and make some cogent story about how the situation in pakistan can be traced to Gandhi.
Now many even on chowk accept that partition of pakistan is inevitable and only sindh is the viable part that will be left, as one can see a coherent analysis how the TNT and the consequent jinnah - islam is responsible for the current state of pakistan.
Being an educated person, dont be like a jihadi, keep repeating the same posts, like learning the koran by rote only to follow instructions from a mullah to kill.
Think...YLH...think, think for your self, dont even follow a person even when he claims to be a prophet.
Instead of keep repeating the same posts about some persons views on Gandhi, try and make some cogent story about how the situation in pakistan can be traced to Gandhi.
Now many even on chowk accept that partition of pakistan is inevitable and only sindh is the viable part that will be left, as one can see a coherent analysis how the TNT and the consequent jinnah - islam is responsible for the current state of pakistan.
Being an educated person, dont be like a jihadi, keep repeating the same posts, like learning the koran by rote only to follow instructions from a mullah to kill.
Think...YLH...think, think for your self, dont even follow a person even when he claims to be a prophet.
#90 Posted by jayp on July 31, 2007 1:53:55 am
YLH
Here are some numbers for you about pak economy. Do not believe the economic growth data by mushy, these are actual numbers, no guess work , and one can imagine its impact on jobs.
pakistan is imploding
from dawn of today
Product-wise details showed export of rice dipped by 3.11 per cent during the year 2006-07 to $1.121 billion as against $1.157 billion over the last year. Of these export of basmati was up 16.96 per cent during the year under review. However, export of other rice declined by 17.31 per cent during the same period. This is the only traditional commodity, which crossed the billion dollar mark otherwise export of other products remained in millions.
The export of sport goods declined by 16.14 per cent during the year 2006-07 as against the same period of last year. Of these export of footballs declined by 27.30 per cent. However, export of gloves rose by 214.93 per cent during the same period.
The carpets, rugs and mats exports recorded a negative growth of 9.38 per cent; and leather goods (garments and gloves) by 24.42 per cent during the fiscal year under review over last year. Of the leather goods export of leather garments declined by 22.72pc, leather gloves 17.07pc and other leather manufacturers 52.79pc.
The export of footwear declined by 21.44 per cent during the months of June-July 2007 over the same months of the last year. Of these export of leather footwear dipped 16.64 per cent canvas footwear 46.76 and other footwear 38.43 per cent. Molasses export declined by 35.57 per cent.
Here are some numbers for you about pak economy. Do not believe the economic growth data by mushy, these are actual numbers, no guess work , and one can imagine its impact on jobs.
pakistan is imploding
from dawn of today
Product-wise details showed export of rice dipped by 3.11 per cent during the year 2006-07 to $1.121 billion as against $1.157 billion over the last year. Of these export of basmati was up 16.96 per cent during the year under review. However, export of other rice declined by 17.31 per cent during the same period. This is the only traditional commodity, which crossed the billion dollar mark otherwise export of other products remained in millions.
The export of sport goods declined by 16.14 per cent during the year 2006-07 as against the same period of last year. Of these export of footballs declined by 27.30 per cent. However, export of gloves rose by 214.93 per cent during the same period.
The carpets, rugs and mats exports recorded a negative growth of 9.38 per cent; and leather goods (garments and gloves) by 24.42 per cent during the fiscal year under review over last year. Of the leather goods export of leather garments declined by 22.72pc, leather gloves 17.07pc and other leather manufacturers 52.79pc.
The export of footwear declined by 21.44 per cent during the months of June-July 2007 over the same months of the last year. Of these export of leather footwear dipped 16.64 per cent canvas footwear 46.76 and other footwear 38.43 per cent. Molasses export declined by 35.57 per cent.
#91 Posted by adamkhan on July 31, 2007 3:44:56 am
Mantolives:
What “tit for tat”? You mean Qayum Khan orchestrated this massacre to avenge one carried out by the Khudai Khidmatgars? Even the thought is ridiculous. It was a carnage carried out under the Governorship of Jinnah, did Qayum Khan get any reprimand after he committed this atrocity? No he didn’t. As for his past with the congress, well your Quaid I Azam was also a proud member of Congress once, should that be taken against him as well?
Why I did mention the Barbara Massacre was because of the fact that no reprisal or revenge took place after it. No bombings, no ambushes, no nothing. Doesn’t sound like a precursor to the present Taliban movement now does it? The people who kill barbers for shaving beards wouldn’t have so easily forgiven a massacre of 100s.
So don’t insult the intelligence of the readers here, there is no connection between Ghaffar Khan’s non violence movement and the present killing frenzy that has become the hallmark of the NWFP.
This terrorism, this senseless killing has been part and parcel of political Islam ever since its inception. Look up the Azraqis, the assassination of Ali, your fellow Islmailis i.e. the Hashishins, and scores of modern day Harbs, Jaishes in the middle east. I ASSURE YOU none of them is a result of Moplah uprising, and I am SURE you know that yourself as well. So to think that the mullahs in the Sub-continent would have been a meek little lambs had Gandhi jee not shaken their hands is simply naïve.
The main reason behind this senseless killing is this bedouine plague that has cursed this land and transformed the land of Ashoka into the killing fields of Abdali and Ghaznavi.
What “tit for tat”? You mean Qayum Khan orchestrated this massacre to avenge one carried out by the Khudai Khidmatgars? Even the thought is ridiculous. It was a carnage carried out under the Governorship of Jinnah, did Qayum Khan get any reprimand after he committed this atrocity? No he didn’t. As for his past with the congress, well your Quaid I Azam was also a proud member of Congress once, should that be taken against him as well?
Why I did mention the Barbara Massacre was because of the fact that no reprisal or revenge took place after it. No bombings, no ambushes, no nothing. Doesn’t sound like a precursor to the present Taliban movement now does it? The people who kill barbers for shaving beards wouldn’t have so easily forgiven a massacre of 100s.
So don’t insult the intelligence of the readers here, there is no connection between Ghaffar Khan’s non violence movement and the present killing frenzy that has become the hallmark of the NWFP.
This terrorism, this senseless killing has been part and parcel of political Islam ever since its inception. Look up the Azraqis, the assassination of Ali, your fellow Islmailis i.e. the Hashishins, and scores of modern day Harbs, Jaishes in the middle east. I ASSURE YOU none of them is a result of Moplah uprising, and I am SURE you know that yourself as well. So to think that the mullahs in the Sub-continent would have been a meek little lambs had Gandhi jee not shaken their hands is simply naïve.
The main reason behind this senseless killing is this bedouine plague that has cursed this land and transformed the land of Ashoka into the killing fields of Abdali and Ghaznavi.
#92 Posted by MantoLives on July 31, 2007 4:17:21 am
Yes... Quaid-e-Azam Mahomed Ali Jinnah was a proud member of the Congress when it was still worth it being a Congressman. He was also the person who campaigned for Ghaffar Khan's release in 1931 and his inclusion in round table conference ... some good it did anyone though.
If you don't see a direct link between the activities of Ghaffar Khan in collusion with Fakir of Ipi and the recently departed King Zahir Shah... on the issue of Durand Line... and the subsequent destabilisation of the frontier in the 70s, 80s and the 90s... then what can one say.
However... you must appreciate that when the Khan Brothers raise the banner of revolt by saying that "Pakistan under Jinnah would not be a sharia-based state" in NWFP (presumably because of Jinnah's western dress and shaven face) in July 1947 ... do you really expect that to stop there.
The Taliban movement in Waziristan is actually the Pushtun nationalist movement given a religious color. The pre-cursor to it was Fakir of Ipi... who was hand-in-glove with your "Frontier Gandhi".
As for Barbara "sharif massacre"... I am guessing you are petitioning at this very moment to have Manmohan Singh's Indian government in Delhi held accountable for the "Hyderabad Sharif Massacre" that occured a few days ago, where the police opened indiscriminate fire on protesters and killing several and injuring scores... Oh wait... you won't. Like Bacha Khan, you too have selective memory... (ironic that Bacha Khan in his first address to PCA was abusing Pakistan government for retaining British governors and praising Indian leadership... forgettin that Indians had retained Lord Mountbatten as GG). Ironies... now maybe your friend Sadna will jump in with her favorite story about some unfortuante incident about Abdul Qayyum Khan and NWFP league using the issue of some sikh girl to prove some esoteric point..
The point however remains that the seeds of Pushtun conflict were laid the day formerly "Indian nationalist" and "secular" politicians like Ghaffar Khan suddenly espoused the cause of Pathan racial purity and "Islamic sharia" to try and break Pakistan apart. Denying this is denying history.
If you don't see a direct link between the activities of Ghaffar Khan in collusion with Fakir of Ipi and the recently departed King Zahir Shah... on the issue of Durand Line... and the subsequent destabilisation of the frontier in the 70s, 80s and the 90s... then what can one say.
However... you must appreciate that when the Khan Brothers raise the banner of revolt by saying that "Pakistan under Jinnah would not be a sharia-based state" in NWFP (presumably because of Jinnah's western dress and shaven face) in July 1947 ... do you really expect that to stop there.
The Taliban movement in Waziristan is actually the Pushtun nationalist movement given a religious color. The pre-cursor to it was Fakir of Ipi... who was hand-in-glove with your "Frontier Gandhi".
As for Barbara "sharif massacre"... I am guessing you are petitioning at this very moment to have Manmohan Singh's Indian government in Delhi held accountable for the "Hyderabad Sharif Massacre" that occured a few days ago, where the police opened indiscriminate fire on protesters and killing several and injuring scores... Oh wait... you won't. Like Bacha Khan, you too have selective memory... (ironic that Bacha Khan in his first address to PCA was abusing Pakistan government for retaining British governors and praising Indian leadership... forgettin that Indians had retained Lord Mountbatten as GG). Ironies... now maybe your friend Sadna will jump in with her favorite story about some unfortuante incident about Abdul Qayyum Khan and NWFP league using the issue of some sikh girl to prove some esoteric point..
The point however remains that the seeds of Pushtun conflict were laid the day formerly "Indian nationalist" and "secular" politicians like Ghaffar Khan suddenly espoused the cause of Pathan racial purity and "Islamic sharia" to try and break Pakistan apart. Denying this is denying history.
#93 Posted by dawa-i-dil on July 31, 2007 4:19:32 am
You said that Lal Masjid was a drama and threat of islamic millitants....
hahahah....
*do you know...the ISI HQ is about 200 or 400 yards from the Lal Mosque....
* the petrol bombs...rocket launchers...gas masks..accumulated to this mosque in invisble mode...i think.....
* the ISI personals were drinkinng daru ..and enjoying soota of powder wali cigaratte when all arms were going in.....
* is it possible that..inside heart of a capital..and adjacent to ISI HQ....the dangerous arms keep on gathering....
* The baighairat general and his bloody baihgat generals ka tola ...instteadof using IB..MI..and ISI for national security..were using them to gather funny and ridiculous....proofs of Chef Justice inside house photographs..bugging the 19 SC judges...phone tapping...and threatening them with pressures.....Lanat on them...is in UK or USA..can you think..the government can do such dirty things....
* bugging of all High Courts ..and judges housese so that they cnnot unfold..the Chor Bazari..of the government..and black mail them...lanat on all the Baighatrs general's Tola again....
*when secret agents are on phone tapping of judges...can they know..wht is happening inside the heart of capital...in a place which is already famous for tensive speeches and vogorousss elements....
*who supported Ghazi brothers for 20 years...were all armed forces were not with them...now they have become the terrorists....
* i am against their implementation ways..but what they are saying...is 100% right..do you not know..what is going on in the name of enlightened Moderation..are you so unaware of that...Aunti Shameem...regulars customers were many Federal Secreatries..and 2 Ministers....and police invited the girls to stop that..as they said ..we are helpless due to government pressure..i am aginst the way the girls raided..but its not the duty of law enforcement agencies to stop these things..tell me...
hahahah....
*do you know...the ISI HQ is about 200 or 400 yards from the Lal Mosque....
* the petrol bombs...rocket launchers...gas masks..accumulated to this mosque in invisble mode...i think.....
* the ISI personals were drinkinng daru ..and enjoying soota of powder wali cigaratte when all arms were going in.....
* is it possible that..inside heart of a capital..and adjacent to ISI HQ....the dangerous arms keep on gathering....
* The baighairat general and his bloody baihgat generals ka tola ...instteadof using IB..MI..and ISI for national security..were using them to gather funny and ridiculous....proofs of Chef Justice inside house photographs..bugging the 19 SC judges...phone tapping...and threatening them with pressures.....Lanat on them...is in UK or USA..can you think..the government can do such dirty things....
* bugging of all High Courts ..and judges housese so that they cnnot unfold..the Chor Bazari..of the government..and black mail them...lanat on all the Baighatrs general's Tola again....
*when secret agents are on phone tapping of judges...can they know..wht is happening inside the heart of capital...in a place which is already famous for tensive speeches and vogorousss elements....
*who supported Ghazi brothers for 20 years...were all armed forces were not with them...now they have become the terrorists....
* i am against their implementation ways..but what they are saying...is 100% right..do you not know..what is going on in the name of enlightened Moderation..are you so unaware of that...Aunti Shameem...regulars customers were many Federal Secreatries..and 2 Ministers....and police invited the girls to stop that..as they said ..we are helpless due to government pressure..i am aginst the way the girls raided..but its not the duty of law enforcement agencies to stop these things..tell me...
#94 Posted by dawa-i-dil on July 31, 2007 4:20:02 am
Do you not know this simple fact that newton's 3rd Law..is more applicable to our social life rather than Physics...
do you not know..what this Baighairat general did in 8 years to change the ideological islamic axis of pakistan....
nobody wants cave vesrion of jahil taliban type islam in Pakistan...but is it means that you start Sharab-o-Kabab mehfils..in every nook and corner of the country... semi nude Marathon races...the cable dish atmosphere... ..indian kanjar culture...the indo pak blend of film and drama industry...music cocerts in army areas in whole Pakistan...where these Baighairat generals...having drinks in hands....dance with the singers.....
* do you not know what is happening in pakistan in whole this dictator era....the Basant ....and mujras..and chaklas ...stage dances.....and brothels....where were they leading to pakistan....
Thjis baighairat general....asked for Imam-e-Kaaba ...last few months..when the whole country stood with CJ of Pakistan..why not he remebered to have one more Marathon Race...with logo Dor mairai Lahore.....why he invited Imam-e-Kaaba..and start giving proofs of his entering the Khana Kaaba and on his roof....
can you change the religious axis of pakistan on the name of so called Enlightened Moderation.....can people will accept all these things....
will they not react....before this Dictator..where were all talibans...when they actualy ruling in Afghanistan..therewas no talbinization in whole pakistan..and when they are not actually n the scene..suddenly..this Talbinization ..reached inside Islamabad...why ???????
When you try to change the mindset of traditions..then be ready to face the music also....
do you not know..what this Baighairat general did in 8 years to change the ideological islamic axis of pakistan....
nobody wants cave vesrion of jahil taliban type islam in Pakistan...but is it means that you start Sharab-o-Kabab mehfils..in every nook and corner of the country... semi nude Marathon races...the cable dish atmosphere... ..indian kanjar culture...the indo pak blend of film and drama industry...music cocerts in army areas in whole Pakistan...where these Baighairat generals...having drinks in hands....dance with the singers.....
* do you not know what is happening in pakistan in whole this dictator era....the Basant ....and mujras..and chaklas ...stage dances.....and brothels....where were they leading to pakistan....
Thjis baighairat general....asked for Imam-e-Kaaba ...last few months..when the whole country stood with CJ of Pakistan..why not he remebered to have one more Marathon Race...with logo Dor mairai Lahore.....why he invited Imam-e-Kaaba..and start giving proofs of his entering the Khana Kaaba and on his roof....
can you change the religious axis of pakistan on the name of so called Enlightened Moderation.....can people will accept all these things....
will they not react....before this Dictator..where were all talibans...when they actualy ruling in Afghanistan..therewas no talbinization in whole pakistan..and when they are not actually n the scene..suddenly..this Talbinization ..reached inside Islamabad...why ???????
When you try to change the mindset of traditions..then be ready to face the music also....
#95 Posted by dawa-i-dil on July 31, 2007 4:20:44 am
An elected leader of 15 crore people declined 5 phone calls of US President...as he knew...if he will not disobey him...2/3 majority in National Assembly against him..will kick him out from PM seat....
While this baighairat general...about which Clinton ..was not willing to shake hands with him...on eve of 11 september 2001..laid down his all weapons on his bed when he listened tothe 3rd level secretary of US ...lanat on him....
is this the respect of a nuclear and missile state....can an elected leader do that.....without taking into consideration his cabinet..NA ..Senate...and pals like Saudia..Emirates..and China etc....
just as this baihghairat Dictaor got a golden chance to "Legetamize" his millitary rule..in eyes of US and West....and for his seat...he pushed the whole pakistan..in fire and hell...of that war..which was not actually of pakistan....and accepted every thing they demanded..shame on him.....
can an elected goverment do that..it is answerable to 10's of institution..this Dictaor was not answerable to anyone....
and plz..dont give me psuedo threats of US attackilng pakistan and taking her to cave era or stone age like crap.....only dictators having no public support fear from these childish threats...not any elected government of 150 millions......
While this baighairat general...about which Clinton ..was not willing to shake hands with him...on eve of 11 september 2001..laid down his all weapons on his bed when he listened tothe 3rd level secretary of US ...lanat on him....
is this the respect of a nuclear and missile state....can an elected leader do that.....without taking into consideration his cabinet..NA ..Senate...and pals like Saudia..Emirates..and China etc....
just as this baihghairat Dictaor got a golden chance to "Legetamize" his millitary rule..in eyes of US and West....and for his seat...he pushed the whole pakistan..in fire and hell...of that war..which was not actually of pakistan....and accepted every thing they demanded..shame on him.....
can an elected goverment do that..it is answerable to 10's of institution..this Dictaor was not answerable to anyone....
and plz..dont give me psuedo threats of US attackilng pakistan and taking her to cave era or stone age like crap.....only dictators having no public support fear from these childish threats...not any elected government of 150 millions......
#96 Posted by dawa-i-dil on July 31, 2007 4:21:45 am
These bloody ...broke the country...made pakistan..and heroin state..gave waters of 3 rivers to pakistan....and atlast..made the whole country ..in the burning fire of suicide attacks.....
these lanti...harami..generals ..consider themselves above every law..and rule and regulations.....
they have created a state within a state in pakistan....
there budget is never presented in National Assembly or Senate.....the most highest bodies of pakistan....
Nobody knows where the 60% of GDP go......
Minerva...come and look at he castle or palace of Lahore Corp Commander in Defence area...at night...1000's of bulbs glow..on his palace..who is he ...a soldier ..whose job is to defend country..but these baighairat kuttai....looted the money for thier own luxuries....
go and see ..how these Baighairat generals go in thier precious cars to have golf match in evening.....like they have conquered Kashmir.....
go and see..how these bloody general's wives...go to Cavalary..and Liberty market.. ...for shopping in offical cars....like they are queens of pakistan...bah.... lanti
in same Lahore..people have not pure water to drink..the patients are dying as they have no medicine..and these harami generals are enjoying the Pakistan money for thier badmashi...drunkards kuttai ........
for 60 years...they have made pakistan...the most corrupt...and beggar country....of the world...
these baighairat generals... ...DHA princes..and land mafia generals..are now...on the way..to eat whole Gwadar lands..in thier greed.....
These lanti generals ..consider themselves as very superior ...and call us " bloody civilians" ..lanti na ho tau......
what they have given to pakistan in 60 years..except..the kicking off the elected govermnets of 150 millions...or gallows to elected PM ..etc....
in my eyes..the only solution is...to have gallows...be constructed in Islamabad Abpara Chowk..bring all these baighairat generals ..to that..place..and sentence them to death..in front of all nation.....thats the only solution left...if we want to get rid of this cancer...
these lanti...harami..generals ..consider themselves above every law..and rule and regulations.....
they have created a state within a state in pakistan....
there budget is never presented in National Assembly or Senate.....the most highest bodies of pakistan....
Nobody knows where the 60% of GDP go......
Minerva...come and look at he castle or palace of Lahore Corp Commander in Defence area...at night...1000's of bulbs glow..on his palace..who is he ...a soldier ..whose job is to defend country..but these baighairat kuttai....looted the money for thier own luxuries....
go and see ..how these Baighairat generals go in thier precious cars to have golf match in evening.....like they have conquered Kashmir.....
go and see..how these bloody general's wives...go to Cavalary..and Liberty market.. ...for shopping in offical cars....like they are queens of pakistan...bah.... lanti
in same Lahore..people have not pure water to drink..the patients are dying as they have no medicine..and these harami generals are enjoying the Pakistan money for thier badmashi...drunkards kuttai ........
for 60 years...they have made pakistan...the most corrupt...and beggar country....of the world...
these baighairat generals... ...DHA princes..and land mafia generals..are now...on the way..to eat whole Gwadar lands..in thier greed.....
These lanti generals ..consider themselves as very superior ...and call us " bloody civilians" ..lanti na ho tau......
what they have given to pakistan in 60 years..except..the kicking off the elected govermnets of 150 millions...or gallows to elected PM ..etc....
in my eyes..the only solution is...to have gallows...be constructed in Islamabad Abpara Chowk..bring all these baighairat generals ..to that..place..and sentence them to death..in front of all nation.....thats the only solution left...if we want to get rid of this cancer...
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