Ahmer Muzammil July 30, 2007
#59 Posted by tahmed32 on August 1, 2007 4:37:08 am
masadi #41 So, you think that " The Army's job is to stay in the barracks and defend the country's borders from external aggression, period. "!! This reveals your ignorance, which no amount of big talk and low insults on your part can cover up.
What I stated as being the proper role of the armed forces (i.e. to defend the Constitution, not overthrow it) is in fact part of the generally accepted role of the armed forces in any country!!
Here, e.g., is the oath taken by anyone joining the US Army:
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;"
What I stated as being the proper role of the armed forces (i.e. to defend the Constitution, not overthrow it) is in fact part of the generally accepted role of the armed forces in any country!!
Here, e.g., is the oath taken by anyone joining the US Army:
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;"
#58 Posted by jayp on August 1, 2007 3:37:55 am
Bhuttos return,
This is probably the right time for benazir to come back to pakistan and take on the reigns.
It was her father who declared that pakistan will have the bomb and they will eat grass. Both have been achieved, and like a true daughter, she should rule from now on.
The only real hero of pakistan is Zulfi, he promised and he delivered.
Again it was zulfi who presided over the partition of pakistan, it is he who recognized Bangladesh. It will be another bhuttos turn to deliver POK to india, NWFP to afghanistan, and retire in sindh.
This is probably the right time for benazir to come back to pakistan and take on the reigns.
It was her father who declared that pakistan will have the bomb and they will eat grass. Both have been achieved, and like a true daughter, she should rule from now on.
The only real hero of pakistan is Zulfi, he promised and he delivered.
Again it was zulfi who presided over the partition of pakistan, it is he who recognized Bangladesh. It will be another bhuttos turn to deliver POK to india, NWFP to afghanistan, and retire in sindh.
#57 Posted by jayp on August 1, 2007 3:31:31 am
Ahmer,
You have hit the nail on the head. By definition no political party can have an ideology in pakistan. The touch stone is simple, is there a communist party in pakistan.
It is an islamic republic that did not have any independence heroes.
Nothing can be done about pakistan now, it will become a jihadic failed state.
You have hit the nail on the head. By definition no political party can have an ideology in pakistan. The touch stone is simple, is there a communist party in pakistan.
It is an islamic republic that did not have any independence heroes.
Nothing can be done about pakistan now, it will become a jihadic failed state.
#56 Posted by aquaris on August 1, 2007 3:23:29 am
Just Curious...
Where is Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto ( Junior )...??
the son of I presume Murtaza Bhutto.
he Must be of age by Now...!!
#55 Posted by bulleya on August 1, 2007 1:39:55 am
zeemax #: " personally think that no descendant of ZAB shares his commitments, and Bhutto family should step aside and place PPP in elected leaders' hands to save it from disgrace.......As for Jahangir Badar, he is personally loyal to ZAB and likely to stick with anyone from ZAB's immediate family - right or wrong."
...i actually had a chance to, personally, meet some of the ppp and pml leaders, and have long talks with them, for a book i was assisting with.......
i agree with you that the best thing that could happen to ppp is for bhutto family to step aside....in fact that is the best thing that could happen to pakistani politics.....it may result in a revival of pakistani politics, as a whole.......all said and done, ppp is really the only national solid political party in pakistan......however, bb and zardari's own corruption and its feudal-centric leadership is going to destroy it......
......a ppp led by aitezaz ahsan or some of its other leaders, will pummel everyone in the coming elections......a ppp led by bb and zardari is well on its way to an ultimate decline........
jehangir badr's status in ppp is no longer so prominent, as he cannot win an election from his area, where sharif brothers now dominate.....he is a direct competitor to shahbaz and nawaz sharif's constituencies in lahore, and cannot defeat them.......the only ppp leader, who can win comfortably in lahore, is aitezaz ahsan.......
ppp has some good people in it......unfortunately, benazir will only allow the bozos like amin fahim to come to the top, when she is absent.......
...i actually had a chance to, personally, meet some of the ppp and pml leaders, and have long talks with them, for a book i was assisting with.......
i agree with you that the best thing that could happen to ppp is for bhutto family to step aside....in fact that is the best thing that could happen to pakistani politics.....it may result in a revival of pakistani politics, as a whole.......all said and done, ppp is really the only national solid political party in pakistan......however, bb and zardari's own corruption and its feudal-centric leadership is going to destroy it......
......a ppp led by aitezaz ahsan or some of its other leaders, will pummel everyone in the coming elections......a ppp led by bb and zardari is well on its way to an ultimate decline........
jehangir badr's status in ppp is no longer so prominent, as he cannot win an election from his area, where sharif brothers now dominate.....he is a direct competitor to shahbaz and nawaz sharif's constituencies in lahore, and cannot defeat them.......the only ppp leader, who can win comfortably in lahore, is aitezaz ahsan.......
ppp has some good people in it......unfortunately, benazir will only allow the bozos like amin fahim to come to the top, when she is absent.......
#54 Posted by zeemax on August 1, 2007 1:09:57 am
#50 Posted by dawa-i-dil,
hope to see him ..back Pakistan ..soon.. inshallah ... as SC ..i hope..cannot stop any ctizen of pakistan's basic right to come into Pakistan....it is his basic right....
You know, when these idiots trample the constitution, they believe they can do anything they want for as long as they want.
Even if any deal was signed between NS family and Musharraf with King Abdullah as guarantor (as is claimed), it is Ultra vires being in contravention of the basic rights guaranteed in the constitution. SC will strike down any such deal.
So prepare the welcoming party. Sharif brothers are the only ones capable of achieving a national consensus, as you rightly pointed out.
hope to see him ..back Pakistan ..soon.. inshallah ... as SC ..i hope..cannot stop any ctizen of pakistan's basic right to come into Pakistan....it is his basic right....
You know, when these idiots trample the constitution, they believe they can do anything they want for as long as they want.
Even if any deal was signed between NS family and Musharraf with King Abdullah as guarantor (as is claimed), it is Ultra vires being in contravention of the basic rights guaranteed in the constitution. SC will strike down any such deal.
So prepare the welcoming party. Sharif brothers are the only ones capable of achieving a national consensus, as you rightly pointed out.
#53 Posted by zeemax on August 1, 2007 12:44:48 am
#34 Posted by abu_safwaan,
Abu_S, Fatima Bhutto is an unknown commodity so far. Only time will tell how she fares in Politics but she doesn't appear to be anywhere near as outstanding as even Benazir at her age. I personally think that no descendant of ZAB shares his commitments, and Bhutto family should step aside and place PPP in elected leaders' hands to save it from disgrace.
As for Jahangir Badar, he is personally loyal to ZAB and likely to stick with anyone from ZAB's immediate family - right or wrong.
Abu_S, Fatima Bhutto is an unknown commodity so far. Only time will tell how she fares in Politics but she doesn't appear to be anywhere near as outstanding as even Benazir at her age. I personally think that no descendant of ZAB shares his commitments, and Bhutto family should step aside and place PPP in elected leaders' hands to save it from disgrace.
As for Jahangir Badar, he is personally loyal to ZAB and likely to stick with anyone from ZAB's immediate family - right or wrong.
#52 Posted by masadi on August 1, 2007 12:23:38 am
HP "Isn't always interesting that Ialmist, Alquaeda, Taliban and the US agree with each all the time "
Like peas in a pod = )
Like peas in a pod = )
#51 Posted by HP on August 1, 2007 12:00:57 am
Interesting! Alquaeda, Taliban, Pakistan Taliban and other Islamist and their arch enemy the US, have joined together to demand Musharaf's removal.
Baldta hai rang aassman kaisay kaisay.
Isn't always interesting that Ialmist, Alquaeda, Taliban and the US agree with each all the time and then they all blame liberals for for not doing enough to reduce their differences..
#50 Posted by dawa-i-dil on July 31, 2007 11:32:29 pm
A man of unbeatable repute and respect..his honurable/...the retired judge of SC ...who resigned on taking oath on PCO by General Zia-ul-Haq...justice(R) Fakhruddin J Ibrahim..is going to file a petition in SC of pakistan..for Nawaz Sharif and Shahbaz Sharif..for thier return in Pakistan..as citizens..of pakistan..its thier right to come Pakistan at any time..
though thier exile treaty was a political death...but now..i think..he is the only man popular in 4 provinces..and can dare to fight with US ...and neglect all its pressure with boldness..as he once showed on 5 atomic explosions ..by refusing 5 phone calls of US president....
today..Nawa-i-Waqt said...Musharraf ..asked King Abdullah to stop Nawaz ..coming back...to pakistan..but they refused that..if SC will favour the Nawaz Sharif..they will obey the orders of SC....
hope to see him ..back Pakistan..soon..inshallah...as SC ..i hope..cannot stop any ctizen of pakistan's basic right to come into Pakistan....it is his basic right....
though thier exile treaty was a political death...but now..i think..he is the only man popular in 4 provinces..and can dare to fight with US ...and neglect all its pressure with boldness..as he once showed on 5 atomic explosions ..by refusing 5 phone calls of US president....
today..Nawa-i-Waqt said...Musharraf ..asked King Abdullah to stop Nawaz ..coming back...to pakistan..but they refused that..if SC will favour the Nawaz Sharif..they will obey the orders of SC....
hope to see him ..back Pakistan..soon..inshallah...as SC ..i hope..cannot stop any ctizen of pakistan's basic right to come into Pakistan....it is his basic right....
#49 Posted by dawa-i-dil on July 31, 2007 11:32:04 pm
The breaking news is that ..Government has opened 50% accounts of Bainazir..which were closed in looting and corruption cases before...
Governor Punjab..also confirmend the deal and meeting of dictator with BB.....
lagta hai...daal mai kuch kala hai.....
aur andar hee andar koi khicree pak rahee hai....
lagta hai..deal final ho gai hai.....
Governor Punjab..also confirmend the deal and meeting of dictator with BB.....
lagta hai...daal mai kuch kala hai.....
aur andar hee andar koi khicree pak rahee hai....
lagta hai..deal final ho gai hai.....
#48 Posted by dawa-i-dil on July 31, 2007 11:31:39 pm
Munir A Malik ...the president of pakistan Supreme court Bar Council..and Bukhari..the GS of Bar Council..said today that..they will cut that hand of all opposition leaders.....who will try to deal with a Dictator..at these crucial moments...when the dictator ship..is just about to sink...They not named that opposition leader...but clearly..they were pointing towards..Bainazir...
The lawyers ..have declared..a wide range moment against the army uniform of a Dictator..and relection from the same assembly.....
Ch ietzaaz ahsan..which has won the greats battle of 60 years..will not move with PPPP...if Benair will make a deal with a Dictator....Raza Rabbani(PPPP Senate oppostion Leader)...Makdoom Ameen Faheem..and Ghulam Mustafa Khar...and Jahangir Badar...also get annoyed over the deal with a Dictator.....
The PPPP...is in very difficult situation....if it deals..part workers and leaders run..if not..then corruption cases cannot be deleted....
bari mushkil mai par gai hai BB.....
The lawyers ..have declared..a wide range moment against the army uniform of a Dictator..and relection from the same assembly.....
Ch ietzaaz ahsan..which has won the greats battle of 60 years..will not move with PPPP...if Benair will make a deal with a Dictator....Raza Rabbani(PPPP Senate oppostion Leader)...Makdoom Ameen Faheem..and Ghulam Mustafa Khar...and Jahangir Badar...also get annoyed over the deal with a Dictator.....
The PPPP...is in very difficult situation....if it deals..part workers and leaders run..if not..then corruption cases cannot be deleted....
bari mushkil mai par gai hai BB.....
#47 Posted by dawa-i-dil on July 31, 2007 11:31:22 pm
The Shahzada of Rawalpindi and Lota-e-Azam...Shiekh Raseed (whose Urdu is excellent)constantly saying today...that Dictator will re-elect from same assemblies for 5 more years...with uniform....
while PML(Q) second president ..Kabeer Wasti...Mushaid Hussain( PML GS)...and other top leaders of PML(Q) are saying that..he should leave the uniform..and re-elect from next assemblies....
but lotai..chamchai..and pitthoo...tody..are saying ...that ..for thier seats..as Zill-e-Subhani become extremely happy on these lotas remarks like Sh.Rasheed...
he not know...how this thig create huge protests against the Dictaor in Pakistan..and how this thing is dangerous
while PML(Q) second president ..Kabeer Wasti...Mushaid Hussain( PML GS)...and other top leaders of PML(Q) are saying that..he should leave the uniform..and re-elect from next assemblies....
but lotai..chamchai..and pitthoo...tody..are saying ...that ..for thier seats..as Zill-e-Subhani become extremely happy on these lotas remarks like Sh.Rasheed...
he not know...how this thig create huge protests against the Dictaor in Pakistan..and how this thing is dangerous
#46 Posted by dawa-i-dil on July 31, 2007 11:31:07 pm
His honurable ..Justice Rana Bhagwandas today..ordered to listen the petition of Qazi Hussain Ahmed (MMA) over the Dictator uniform issue...when Qazi challenged the uniform issue ...in SC of Pakistan....
This is the real test case of SC....hope to get good news ..on this case also...by kicking out this Dictaor from the Army uniform....
This is the real test case of SC....hope to get good news ..on this case also...by kicking out this Dictaor from the Army uniform....
#45 Posted by dawa-i-dil on July 31, 2007 11:30:46 pm
Look at the most wicked an corrupt lady of pakistan...for swiss cases ...deletion..she is going to to any extent with a Dictator....
Look at the baighairat general...who said that ..i will never deal with such corrupt leader..now in the feet of BB to have some pie fro her to save his trembling and shvering presidency....
Lanat on both....how they forgot the 160 milion people ..the local leaders of PPPP in Pakistan...the whole political scenario...
lanat on both...one want his next 5 years...with uniform.....and other want his cases to be deleted....
Oh Allah Almighty...you have saved our nation ..on 4 :17 pm of 20 july,2007..when the voice coming from the SC ....shatterted the pillar of dictatorship.....
O God..we are in danger again...the power hungry are flying above us...Oh Allah...show your power ..might and strenght agin..as you once showed ....in last 4 months..when millions of pakistanis come like mad on the street for a judge..a miracle first ever happened in the human history.....
O Allah....the vultures are about to eat us..and we are helpless...our eyes are on you...and our tongues are just asking you...show your power...and destroy everyone who is against this country...destroy every power seeker.....destroy every hungry..greedy...and wicked ...make them Nishan-e-Ibrat..to us....
and show your might as you once showed in last 4 months
Look at the baighairat general...who said that ..i will never deal with such corrupt leader..now in the feet of BB to have some pie fro her to save his trembling and shvering presidency....
Lanat on both....how they forgot the 160 milion people ..the local leaders of PPPP in Pakistan...the whole political scenario...
lanat on both...one want his next 5 years...with uniform.....and other want his cases to be deleted....
Oh Allah Almighty...you have saved our nation ..on 4 :17 pm of 20 july,2007..when the voice coming from the SC ....shatterted the pillar of dictatorship.....
O God..we are in danger again...the power hungry are flying above us...Oh Allah...show your power ..might and strenght agin..as you once showed ....in last 4 months..when millions of pakistanis come like mad on the street for a judge..a miracle first ever happened in the human history.....
O Allah....the vultures are about to eat us..and we are helpless...our eyes are on you...and our tongues are just asking you...show your power...and destroy everyone who is against this country...destroy every power seeker.....destroy every hungry..greedy...and wicked ...make them Nishan-e-Ibrat..to us....
and show your might as you once showed in last 4 months
#44 Posted by dawa-i-dil on July 31, 2007 11:30:19 pm
this lady..is one of the most wicked..makkar..chalak..ayyar...fitnai baaz...Phappai kutni....mohallai mai larai karwanai wali massi type thing....
Fisrt she captured Nawaz Sharif in so called Meesaqa_i_Jamhooriat...broke it..then shatterd APC of London...by plaing double way..and atlast today...met with Dictator...in Abu Dhabi...for deal...
Now..at this time...about 9 Pm in Pakistan..2nd session of talk of Benazir with Dictator is going on....
is nai pani phair diya Ch Ietezaz Ehsan of PPPP kee naqabalai farmosh jidojahid par..jo us nai kee..against the dictorship for 4 months....He won one the greatest case of pakistan history...and defeated the whole government in legal case...media...political front..even in drivery for 26 long hours from islambad to Lahore... ...he smacked down the whole government...and blasted the whole "Dhanda" of reference which the government started against the CJ of pakistan...and all others PPPP workers which were against any deal...
LANAT on her...mega Lanat ..on her again...
Fisrt she captured Nawaz Sharif in so called Meesaqa_i_Jamhooriat...broke it..then shatterd APC of London...by plaing double way..and atlast today...met with Dictator...in Abu Dhabi...for deal...
Now..at this time...about 9 Pm in Pakistan..2nd session of talk of Benazir with Dictator is going on....
is nai pani phair diya Ch Ietezaz Ehsan of PPPP kee naqabalai farmosh jidojahid par..jo us nai kee..against the dictorship for 4 months....He won one the greatest case of pakistan history...and defeated the whole government in legal case...media...political front..even in drivery for 26 long hours from islambad to Lahore... ...he smacked down the whole government...and blasted the whole "Dhanda" of reference which the government started against the CJ of pakistan...and all others PPPP workers which were against any deal...
LANAT on her...mega Lanat ..on her again...
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