Moral Bankruptcy of Political Leadership in Pakistan

... a warlord runs Swat now ... Maulana Fazlullah. This is what you have brought this country to.

tahmed,

You are missing the point: this has not about ideology, but about seeming switch in your views.

On one hand you claim to be a humanist, but then you support bombing into annihilation tens (hundreds?) of thousands of Japanese civilians. You may hide behind “no talking to sattar” excuse … which is somewhat childish … and that’s really up to you.

Abu Sahib, doing well, thank you …

#24 Posted by tahmed32,

It was this para:

If Swatis wish to elect someone who flashes the Quran - that is their right. All I am saying is that if after 4 years the Swatis decide the man who flashed the Quran has proved useless, then they should also have the right to replace him with someone else.

They have found they have nowhere else to turn to. Certainly not the State of Pakistan. They have turned away from your 'democracy'.

zeemax #22 I am not sure how this relates to the discussion below. Please let me know what I missed.

#19 sattar: Nice try - but sorry, no discussions with you.

You can of course keep trying to portray me as someone who does not mean what he writes - but rest assured that I mean it when I say "To you be your way, and to me be mine". All you have been interested in on chowk the past 7 years is pushing your paighamber. When you spend another 7 years showing an interest in anything else in Pakistan, then we can talk. Till then - I wish you a good day.

#18 Posted by tahmed32,

tahmed32, it pains me to see that you really don't know Pakistan. GT was right on the other board (or was it this board?) that Not ask what your country will do for you is BULL! You mention Swat, what do you know about Gilgit Sir? There's a huge movement going on there ... and the Northern areas feel Pakistan has given them ZILCH! They don't even feel to be part of Pakistan.

Sattar bhai..kaysay mizaaj hein..kahan hottay hein yaarr..naraz to naheen hein naa khuda na khoasta?

Re#18
hard to argue with that

tahmed Sahib, aa'dab aarz.

... don't mean to put too fine a point in this debate about definition of liberal, but if I recall correctly, you were fully supportive of US atomic bombs on Japan - both times. Ahem.

banneditem: I think you have an unduly low opinion of Pakistanis, and I also think you dont get the point I have been trying to make on chowk. If Indians are good enough to elect their leaders, what makes Pakistanis not good enough? If americans can bring a disaster like Bush to be President for a second term, why cant Pakistanis have the right to make similar mistakes once in a while.

The important thing is not who gets elected, but the system. If Swatis wish to elect someone who flashes the Quran - that is their right. All I am saying is that if after 4 years the Swatis decide the man who flashed the Quran has proved useless, then they should also have the right to replace him with someone else.

That is what the democratic system and the rule of law is all about. And it works better than any other system. And the army's job is to protect the Constitution, and make sure that elected rulers dont then try to overstay their term.

Abbay banditem..go give your citizens right to hear worship of brahmans and while u r at it lift the ridculous ban on beef in mumbai...common sense and rhetoric of fairness in other countries oozing from indians is an oxy-moron..u moron

Urstruly:

Can you imagine this kanjrRee was making fun of her dupatta which she conveniently let slip & all the time rearranged it on her head quipping, to the delightful squeals of the American audience, "this somehow refuses to stay in its place".

This is the KanjarRee also, when she was the PM that her best friend, grand-daugter of Mazhar Ail/Shaukat Hayat of Shaukat Hayat Khan and perhaps also of the commie ( humanist?) Tariq Ali was RAPED by the then President Ishaaque Khan's son-in-Law..Marvat something...and this the PM was silent while crowing all the time about "rights" & "wrongs" of women.

I have alsoheard from those who saw that she was slapped in the VIP lounge by Zardaari many a times..and she was happy as long as the drool from her arse originated from Mr. Baskin Robbins.

and who does not know what she did to her mother & brother...

and now the new sanpolia, Bilawal, is being readied to serve as the new generation of KanjarRs to continue to rape MUSLIMS in Pakistan.

#13 abu_safwan. I assume you mean "dont condone". I dont think anyone in his right mind in Pakistan (or anywhere else) would condone the killing of innocents. And indeed, as any lawyer would agree, everyone is innocent unless proven guilty.

So, it seems to me using the term "liberal" a bit incorrectly - "murderous pschopath" would be a more appropriate term. And I dont think we have any of those on chowk - however much we may disagree with one another or get carried away in our arguments.

tahmed32, In order for pakistanis to have rights they really need to clean their consitution first and treat everyone as a citizen not 1st class 2nd class(ahmadi etc)...
Lets see the same compassion that Aithsaz Hussien displayed with CJ and have him tackle that. Then we can talk about removing ppl and electing ppl. Just because 2% of the pakistani community(lawyers) stood up against the military doesnt mean that the rest of the majority can pick a right leader. In Swat mullahs won simply because of their electoral symbol (the book...quran) and the saying that anyone that doesnt vote for the book is not a muslim. Is that how people decide to pick their leaders and is that the right approach to democracy, this BTW is similar to "roti, kapara, aur makan" not so long ago in times of ZA bhutto. Nawaz shariff used yellow cab scheme to garner support. This gives you an glimpse of what an average pakistani is made of and how easily he can be bought (regardless of how fevereshly fanatically inclined he may be). Flash them(pakis) a greenback and they will have a horse that can deal cards in a casino.

tahmed : if u condone the death of ALL innocent regardless of there dress code and not justify the killings as a necessary measure to establish the writ than u aint a liberal in the paki sense

Urstruly: you can dream on when you think you represent the people of Pakistan in your views. The reaction - or lack thereof - to the seizure of lal masjid should be the writing on the wall for you. But dont let reality come in the way of your dreams of turning Pakistan into a kingship ruled by your arab gods.