Moral Bankruptcy of Political Leadership in Pakistan

tahmed, you fool,

Discussing something with you is like being in a ring with a bull. You see nothing … and only stomp your hooves and charge.

Read my earlier post, you idiot (#150). I quoted you and provided a link to your post … which was what you had asked for. As it shows, you were in full support of atomic bombs.

I don’t need to paint you as anything; you come across as dumber than a rock. So spare me your rants …

sattar2 #150 I told you not to try and be overclever, but looks like you ignored that too!!

This is what I wrote yesterday in my post #73 in response to unsolicited and lengthy posts attributing to me views on nagasaki and hiroshima: sattar: I suggest you cut and paste what I wrote. I am not going to enter into a discussion on any issue with you based on what you claim I wrote.

You disappeared, and now come back ignoring the reason I told you to go find what I actually wrote rather than what you claim I wrote, and you have the gall to imply instead that I had used "memory loss" as an excuse!!

So let me be a bit more blunt than before: it is not nagasaki or hiroshima you are interested in. It is pushing your prophet Mirza, the sole subject that you have ever shown interest in on chowk over the past 7 years. And it is not nagasaki and hirshima that you have developed a sudden interest in that you wish to discuss with me - it is to paint me as an evil person by attributing murderous views to me without burdening yourself with what I actually wrote.
During your seven years or so on chowk, your entire focus has been on pushing your prophet Mirza and demonizing anyone who refuses to acknowledge. Nothing else matters to you, not in Pakistan, not in the subcontinent, and certainly not in Japan!!

Not satisfied with my repeated refusal to engage in religius discussions with you, not accepting my request to not keep forcing your religious views on my when I say "to you be your way, and to me be mine", you have been trying to demonize me by attributing murderous views to me on hiroshima and nagasaki.

So, once again, I am requesting you: I am not interested in any discussions with you, so please stop wasting your time and mine trying to engage me in discussions. On religious issues, I have been telling you politely "to you be your way and to me be mine", so please respect that and stop trying every trick you can to make me look like an evil person for rejecting your religious views.

Kindly spare me and yourself the embarrassment of having to keep telling you off. Attend to your business, or go push your religious views to someone who is actually interested in such discussions with you.

Last post to you. I wish you a good day.

tahmed,

This was not meant to be a memory test, so don’t get too hung up on cut-and-pastes of what you wrote. If you "know" your view, that alone should be enough. But since echo has already done the work, refer to the link below to your post #96 on anther board.

You seem to be suggesting that dropping of atomic bombs cured residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, as well as the rest of Japanese nation, of their arrogance. This, in your mind, is a reason good enough to bomb into annihilation tens (hundreds?) of thousands of civilians: women, children, men, elderly, newly weds, toddlers - not to mention toll on the survivors and their next generations.

Your view seems very similar to that of suicide bombers, who blow up civilians to settle scores.

Here’s an excerpt that sums it up:

”Just as the sacrifices of the allied soldiers to the world a giant step closer to the ideals of the equality of man. By putting an end to the japanese and german love for war by giving them a taste of their own medicine in Hiroshima and Nagasaki and Dresden and other german and japanese cities.“

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when army..is in land mafia generals...with DHA princes...

aur raal tapaak rahee hai Gwadar kai liyai..

can they fight in war....

Oh bhai..rf ..

the poorest democracy is far far better than the best dictatorship...
grow up man...

Nawaz Sharif is not angel..
he also did mistakes...

but over the whole political scene...he is left only..popular among 4 provinces...

accept it or not...

arai bhai...andho mai kana raja...

#140/141 Posted by tahmed32,

Agreed. Conditions are certainly better after the CJ movement. Only thing is the time for waiting for centuries is gone. With the media and the global connectivity, the sense of deprivation accelerates and no one is willing to wait two hundred years to get what is theirs :)

tahmed, phat gayi already? Pakis do not have the intestinal fortitude to withstand democracy. Pakistan would have been the bestest place for pakistanis if it was in arabia in the 7th century

Re: # 143

better for you not to talk..about democracy....

daal bhaji ...dai pakoria khanai walai...

makkari ..aur ayyari kee democracy....

by up governing for 60 years...till this PM is from Punjaab...

ancestoral heirarchy..is your hall mark..in nehru family...

#139 Posted by tahmed32,

More appropriately, you may ask the chtuya of #137 how much the motorways cost and who paid for them under the BOT deal ... or indeed whether he knows what a BOT deal is ... :)

#138 zeemax: no doubt political institutions are work in progress. It has taken UK centuries of slow but steady progress to transfer power from one man (the king) to noblemen and then to the people. Even the US has taken two centuries, a bloody civil war, major legislations (notably the Civil Rights act) and government actions (e.g. against Tammany Hall corruption in New York city government), and the struggle goes on even today not just to keep moving forward but to keep from slipping backward.

Thus, I am not saying that the CJ is a man on the white horse who will magically switch Pakistan into a totally rational society, dedicated to the common good. What I am saying is that conditions are better today (thanks to the CJ, lawyers, political parties, the people) than they have ever been for a historical step forward.

Hope this clarifies too. :-)

#138 zeemax: no doubt political institutions are work in progress. It has taken UK centuries of slow but steady progress to transfer power from one man (the king) to noblemen and then to the people. Even the US has taken two centuries, a bloody civil war, major legislations (notably the Civil Rights act) and government actions (e.g. against Tammany Hall corruption in New York city government), and the struggle goes on even today not just to keep moving forward but to keep from slipping backward.

Thus, I am not saying that the CJ is a man on the white horse who will magically switch Pakistan into a totally rational society, dedicated to the common good. What I am saying is that conditions are better today (thanks to the CJ, lawyers, political parties, the people) than they have ever been for a historical step forward.

Hope this clarifies too. :-)

rf#137 sure. blame it on the panjabis while supporting a military dictator whose claim to your support is that he is ethnicity!!
that wont change the reality which you know as well as anyone else.

Re: # 139

Musharraf for all his dictatorial drawbacks remains a better statesman when compared to imbeciles such as NS of Tinda sharif. You remember what u wish to remember because NS is a Punjabi. lets do a quick histroy check of this idiot:

1. Handpicked by the army (Zia lul phuck)and groomed as Punjabi finance minister

2. Ittefaq Foundaries grew 30x in value

3. Part of the JAAG PUNJABI JAAG mantra that was used against BB (PPP) in 1988 courtesy Gen Hameed Gul

4. Part of the ISI conspiracy to upset PPP electoral support

5. Issuance of countless SRO's for their personal benefits

6. You mentioned motorway, RS35.5BN spent to link Lahore and Islamabad, for what?

7. Appointment of Punjabi cronies in major institutions

8. Ballooning fiscal debt because of uncontrolled expenditures and corruption

9. Declining Forex reserves

10. Rising foreign debt

11. Forging State economic statistics for foreign debtors

12. Freezing of NRP Dollar accounts while NS and family moved their own money out of Pakistan

13. Pandering to the Taliban

14. Storming the Supreme Court

15. Cooperative scandal

16. Stock market peaked in their first tenure and remained in a bear trend for the next 8 years.

If you wish, we could add many more inept and corrupt decisions of this paindoo, but then again he is from lahore and everything can be forgiven.

#129 Posted by tahmed32

... it is the system, not personalities, that is important - and the CJ struggle is fundamentally about the system, not personalities ...

By my saying "the 'public' has little say in who comes to power" I meant that it is the Biradari system in Punjab, the Feudal/Malik System in settled and tribal NWFP respectively, the Wadera System in Sindh, and the Sardari system in Baluchistan which determines who comes to power, and not the public. The wheeling dealing is done by these biradari leaders and waderas etc with the political personalities in return for 'rent' in the new dispensation.

No CJ can change that, can he?

Hope it is clearer now :)

#129 Posted by tahmed32 & #127 Posted by zeemax

Mashallah, Punjabi chauvinism at its best.

Motorway: Linking with Central Asia, strategic. priceless piece of crap just like the total waste motorway.

Economic reforms: what reforms? Changing Banking Chiefs with their cronies apppointed by Abba jee.

And please this CJ feel good factor is another farce, we all know Transperancy Intl had ranked the Judiciary as the Third most corrupt institution right behind Police and Customs. Are we expected to belive everything has become hunky dorey?

Institutions, yes but then again institutions are composed of ppl with their varied cultures, educational backgrounds and work ethics. Not that easy dear Punjabi compatriots, societies evolve over time with positive experiences that process has yet to be verified.