Moral Bankruptcy of Political Leadership in Pakistan

Nawaz Sharif is not angel..
he also did mistakes...

but over the whole political scene...he is left only..popular among 4 provinces...

accept it or not...

arai bhai...andho mai kana raja...

Re: # 143

better for you not to talk..about democracy....

daal bhaji ...dai pakoria khanai walai...

makkari ..aur ayyari kee democracy....

by up governing for 60 years...till this PM is from Punjaab...

ancestoral heirarchy..is your hall mark..in nehru family...

Re: # 139

Musharraf for all his dictatorial drawbacks remains a better statesman when compared to imbeciles such as NS of Tinda sharif. You remember what u wish to remember because NS is a Punjabi. lets do a quick histroy check of this idiot:

1. Handpicked by the army (Zia lul phuck)and groomed as Punjabi finance minister

2. Ittefaq Foundaries grew 30x in value

3. Part of the JAAG PUNJABI JAAG mantra that was used against BB (PPP) in 1988 courtesy Gen Hameed Gul

4. Part of the ISI conspiracy to upset PPP electoral support

5. Issuance of countless SRO's for their personal benefits

6. You mentioned motorway, RS35.5BN spent to link Lahore and Islamabad, for what?

7. Appointment of Punjabi cronies in major institutions

8. Ballooning fiscal debt because of uncontrolled expenditures and corruption

9. Declining Forex reserves

10. Rising foreign debt

11. Forging State economic statistics for foreign debtors

12. Freezing of NRP Dollar accounts while NS and family moved their own money out of Pakistan

13. Pandering to the Taliban

14. Storming the Supreme Court

15. Cooperative scandal

16. Stock market peaked in their first tenure and remained in a bear trend for the next 8 years.

If you wish, we could add many more inept and corrupt decisions of this paindoo, but then again he is from lahore and everything can be forgiven.

Oh bhai..rf ..

the poorest democracy is far far better than the best dictatorship...
grow up man...

when army..is in land mafia generals...with DHA princes...

aur raal tapaak rahee hai Gwadar kai liyai..

can they fight in war....

tahmed,

This was not meant to be a memory test, so don’t get too hung up on cut-and-pastes of what you wrote. If you "know" your view, that alone should be enough. But since echo has already done the work, refer to the link below to your post #96 on anther board.

You seem to be suggesting that dropping of atomic bombs cured residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, as well as the rest of Japanese nation, of their arrogance. This, in your mind, is a reason good enough to bomb into annihilation tens (hundreds?) of thousands of civilians: women, children, men, elderly, newly weds, toddlers - not to mention toll on the survivors and their next generations.

Your view seems very similar to that of suicide bombers, who blow up civilians to settle scores.

Here’s an excerpt that sums it up:

”Just as the sacrifices of the allied soldiers to the world a giant step closer to the ideals of the equality of man. By putting an end to the japanese and german love for war by giving them a taste of their own medicine in Hiroshima and Nagasaki and Dresden and other german and japanese cities.“

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sattar2 #150 I told you not to try and be overclever, but looks like you ignored that too!!

This is what I wrote yesterday in my post #73 in response to unsolicited and lengthy posts attributing to me views on nagasaki and hiroshima: sattar: I suggest you cut and paste what I wrote. I am not going to enter into a discussion on any issue with you based on what you claim I wrote.

You disappeared, and now come back ignoring the reason I told you to go find what I actually wrote rather than what you claim I wrote, and you have the gall to imply instead that I had used "memory loss" as an excuse!!

So let me be a bit more blunt than before: it is not nagasaki or hiroshima you are interested in. It is pushing your prophet Mirza, the sole subject that you have ever shown interest in on chowk over the past 7 years. And it is not nagasaki and hirshima that you have developed a sudden interest in that you wish to discuss with me - it is to paint me as an evil person by attributing murderous views to me without burdening yourself with what I actually wrote.
During your seven years or so on chowk, your entire focus has been on pushing your prophet Mirza and demonizing anyone who refuses to acknowledge. Nothing else matters to you, not in Pakistan, not in the subcontinent, and certainly not in Japan!!

Not satisfied with my repeated refusal to engage in religius discussions with you, not accepting my request to not keep forcing your religious views on my when I say "to you be your way, and to me be mine", you have been trying to demonize me by attributing murderous views to me on hiroshima and nagasaki.

So, once again, I am requesting you: I am not interested in any discussions with you, so please stop wasting your time and mine trying to engage me in discussions. On religious issues, I have been telling you politely "to you be your way and to me be mine", so please respect that and stop trying every trick you can to make me look like an evil person for rejecting your religious views.

Kindly spare me and yourself the embarrassment of having to keep telling you off. Attend to your business, or go push your religious views to someone who is actually interested in such discussions with you.

Last post to you. I wish you a good day.

tahmed, you fool,

Discussing something with you is like being in a ring with a bull. You see nothing … and only stomp your hooves and charge.

Read my earlier post, you idiot (#150). I quoted you and provided a link to your post … which was what you had asked for. As it shows, you were in full support of atomic bombs.

I don’t need to paint you as anything; you come across as dumber than a rock. So spare me your rants …

PS: Does anyone understand what tahmed is talking about? Is he able to read or not? Or did I miss something?

Re: # 131

bhai mere, what I mean is that the junta accepted the army propaganda and justification about the 'failure' of democratic process , on the other hand it celeberated the coup and thanked the dictator.

Re: # 148

Dee dee

{the poorest democracy is far far better than the best dictatorship...}


Says who and based on what data? Regurgigating popularized yet unsubstantiated cliches does not help your cause. Do u even know the history of democracy, seems not. Hitler and Bush elected democrats have human right records that even Stalin envies.

Its all relative, then again that maybe a touch difficult for monolithic mindsets such as yours.

Re: # 148

Deedee

Says who? Regurgigating western propganda does not make it right. Hitler and El Prezidento Bush elected democracies both can be proud of their human right achievements. Its all relative, that maybe difficult for your monolithic mindset to comprehend.

good article...

Arif Bhai,

its not dictatorship thats the issue, its incompetence and corruption and not just of the financial kind either. If any of the dictators that we have been awarded with had the moral character to rid or even tried to break the status-quo by taking meaningful steps to abolish slavery of jageerdars, tried to eliminate the prevalent class system, demolished or just tried demolishing evil bureaucracy and instead of sleeping with the corrupt and thali kayy baygan syasatdaan to just prolong their dicatorship and actually did something to improve the sorry conditions of masses, believe u me pakistani nation wouldnt be this turned off by the name musharaf.

its not that civilians would be much better, its the fact that for the past 60 years we have been trying armed forces at the helm of affairs, how can it be any worse, lets try something different that has worked for other nations namely TRUE DEMOCRACY..not the Muslims Q kind.

GT writes " Are you saying that the whole SC episode is a poodle dance "

Yes that is what I was saying all along, it was Army sponsored, Army executed and Army decided....the whole shebang, though in the midst it did achieve a dynamic of its own among a limited segment. The article I posted was proof in so far as history shows institutional regularity, and there was nothing in the current episode that would prove a "structure changing" revolution...

Interesting:

"Abdus Salam's speech at the Nobel Banquet, December 10, 1979

Your Majesties, Excellencies, Ladies and Gentlemen,

On behalf of my colleagues, Professor Glashow and Weinberg, I thank the Nobel Foundation and the Royal Academy of Sciences for the great honour and the courtesies extended to us, including the courtesy to me of being addressed in my language Urdu.

Pakistan is deeply indebted to you for this.

The creation of Physics is the shared heritage of all mankind. East and West, North and South have equally participated in it. In the Holy Book of Islam, Allah says

"Thou seest not, in the creation of the All-merciful any imperfection, Return thy gaze, seest thou any fissure. Then Return thy gaze, again and again. Thy gaze, Comes back to thee dazzled, aweary."

This in effect is, the faith of all physicists; the deeper we seek, the more is our wonder excited, the more is the dazzlement for our gaze.

I am saying this, not only to remind those here tonight of this, but also for those in the Third World, who feel they have lost out in the pursuit of scientific knowledge, for lack of opportunity and resource.

Alfred Nobel stipulated that no distinction of race or colour will determine who received of his generosity. On this occasion, let me say this to those, whom God has given His Bounty. Let us strive to provide equal opportunities to all so that they can engage in the creation of Physics and science for the benefit of all mankind. This would exactly be in the spirit of Alfred Nobel and the ideals which permeated his life. Bless You!