Moral Bankruptcy of Political Leadership in Pakistan

Abbay banditem..go give your citizens right to hear worship of brahmans and while u r at it lift the ridculous ban on beef in mumbai...common sense and rhetoric of fairness in other countries oozing from indians is an oxy-moron..u moron

banneditem: I think you have an unduly low opinion of Pakistanis, and I also think you dont get the point I have been trying to make on chowk. If Indians are good enough to elect their leaders, what makes Pakistanis not good enough? If americans can bring a disaster like Bush to be President for a second term, why cant Pakistanis have the right to make similar mistakes once in a while.

The important thing is not who gets elected, but the system. If Swatis wish to elect someone who flashes the Quran - that is their right. All I am saying is that if after 4 years the Swatis decide the man who flashed the Quran has proved useless, then they should also have the right to replace him with someone else.

That is what the democratic system and the rule of law is all about. And it works better than any other system. And the army's job is to protect the Constitution, and make sure that elected rulers dont then try to overstay their term.

tahmed Sahib, aa'dab aarz.

... don't mean to put too fine a point in this debate about definition of liberal, but if I recall correctly, you were fully supportive of US atomic bombs on Japan - both times. Ahem.

Re#18
hard to argue with that

Sattar bhai..kaysay mizaaj hein..kahan hottay hein yaarr..naraz to naheen hein naa khuda na khoasta?

#18 Posted by tahmed32,

tahmed32, it pains me to see that you really don't know Pakistan. GT was right on the other board (or was it this board?) that Not ask what your country will do for you is BULL! You mention Swat, what do you know about Gilgit Sir? There's a huge movement going on there ... and the Northern areas feel Pakistan has given them ZILCH! They don't even feel to be part of Pakistan.

#19 sattar: Nice try - but sorry, no discussions with you.

You can of course keep trying to portray me as someone who does not mean what he writes - but rest assured that I mean it when I say "To you be your way, and to me be mine". All you have been interested in on chowk the past 7 years is pushing your paighamber. When you spend another 7 years showing an interest in anything else in Pakistan, then we can talk. Till then - I wish you a good day.

zeemax #22 I am not sure how this relates to the discussion below. Please let me know what I missed.

#24 Posted by tahmed32,

It was this para:

If Swatis wish to elect someone who flashes the Quran - that is their right. All I am saying is that if after 4 years the Swatis decide the man who flashed the Quran has proved useless, then they should also have the right to replace him with someone else.

They have found they have nowhere else to turn to. Certainly not the State of Pakistan. They have turned away from your 'democracy'.

tahmed,

You are missing the point: this has not about ideology, but about seeming switch in your views.

On one hand you claim to be a humanist, but then you support bombing into annihilation tens (hundreds?) of thousands of Japanese civilians. You may hide behind “no talking to sattar” excuse … which is somewhat childish … and that’s really up to you.

Abu Sahib, doing well, thank you …

... a warlord runs Swat now ... Maulana Fazlullah. This is what you have brought this country to.

ppp is actually a bigger dictatorship, internally, than even the army.......all ppp members and sh#t scared of benazir....i have seen them act like that in person......she rules over them like a queen...she, solely, decides who gets a party ticket, and who doesn't......she decides, solely, the complete party policy.......

......it is a one man show......or one woman show......

.......when she is not around, she appoints nincampoops like the current sindhi feudal as the head of the party, evern though far more capable individuals like aitezaz ahsan are available.....the reason being she fears the later will gain influence.......

........ppp is really the only true anti-establishment party in pakistan.....it is, infact, the only true national party in pakistan.......its leaders have gone to jail etc. on multiple occassions, yet stick with the party....it has a very loyal voter base, which is very anti-army.....

.......it is truly going to see what its leaders and votebase will do, if bb makes a deal with musharraf......to give an example, its most senior leader in punjab, gilani spent four years in jail, without being convicted, because he would not join musharraf's govt.......another major sindhi leader and its finance minsiter, naveed qamar, spent over two years in jail, for same reasons and was then declared innocent......aitezaz ahsan led the fight against musharraf in the cj case......

i wonder what these guys will do, if bb makes a deal.....they must be extremely angry.......

Re: # 18 and the one by abu-safwan

Dear Sirs,
I asked my "naukars son" whom we educated all the way to university a simple question.
Q: What would you do if you were elected as a President/PM of Pakistan?
A: I will ask your grandfather on what to do.

I then repeated the question his repsonse
A: Sir Ji, meh achi jee khoti banasaan ( I will build a house).

With democracy comes responsibility. And please dont compare US political system with Pakistan. US still has to elect some green peace weirdo, but they havent, Bush got re-elected because of one state Ohio. Similarly India has mature insitutions. While Pakistanis can acheive that status it iwill take some time. All I am saying is let Musharraf do it, he is a good guy and means well. Just because he is a bit heavy handed doesnt mean to chop his hands off, he got the slap all will be well.
Just like in Pakistan when there is a roadside minor accident and people start hitting the bad guy, someone from the crowd comes to the rescue saying
"choR do ji, rayn diyo, bichara ghareeb admi hi, maaf kar dau"

Raza Rabbani is now on record and several others have said off the record that they will leave PPP ..if there is a deal w/ the dictator. Kudos to them for having a spine

There are only two people of any real worth in PPP. One is of-course Aitazaz Ahsan, the other is Jahangir Badar. Aitazaz may leave, but Jahangir Badar won't. He's totally loyal to ZAB.

glossary:

Submissive
* Ears: Back or flat against the head
* Eyes: Avoids direct eye contact
* Body: Lowered, groveling or rolling, exposing genitals
* Mouth: Corner pulled back, submissive grin
* Tail: Tucked between legs or flat against abdomen
* Behavior: Licks lips or nose, may urinate

Maybe the poor guy has taken an oath of secrecy with that sinister & diabolical ancient secret society to never bite the hand that feeds him.

But he holds the record to be His Master's Voice even off the gramaphone.