Ahmer Muzammil July 30, 2007
#49 Posted by dawa-i-dil on July 31, 2007 11:32:04 pm
The breaking news is that ..Government has opened 50% accounts of Bainazir..which were closed in looting and corruption cases before...
Governor Punjab..also confirmend the deal and meeting of dictator with BB.....
lagta hai...daal mai kuch kala hai.....
aur andar hee andar koi khicree pak rahee hai....
lagta hai..deal final ho gai hai.....
Governor Punjab..also confirmend the deal and meeting of dictator with BB.....
lagta hai...daal mai kuch kala hai.....
aur andar hee andar koi khicree pak rahee hai....
lagta hai..deal final ho gai hai.....
#50 Posted by dawa-i-dil on July 31, 2007 11:32:29 pm
A man of unbeatable repute and respect..his honurable/...the retired judge of SC ...who resigned on taking oath on PCO by General Zia-ul-Haq...justice(R) Fakhruddin J Ibrahim..is going to file a petition in SC of pakistan..for Nawaz Sharif and Shahbaz Sharif..for thier return in Pakistan..as citizens..of pakistan..its thier right to come Pakistan at any time..
though thier exile treaty was a political death...but now..i think..he is the only man popular in 4 provinces..and can dare to fight with US ...and neglect all its pressure with boldness..as he once showed on 5 atomic explosions ..by refusing 5 phone calls of US president....
today..Nawa-i-Waqt said...Musharraf ..asked King Abdullah to stop Nawaz ..coming back...to pakistan..but they refused that..if SC will favour the Nawaz Sharif..they will obey the orders of SC....
hope to see him ..back Pakistan..soon..inshallah...as SC ..i hope..cannot stop any ctizen of pakistan's basic right to come into Pakistan....it is his basic right....
though thier exile treaty was a political death...but now..i think..he is the only man popular in 4 provinces..and can dare to fight with US ...and neglect all its pressure with boldness..as he once showed on 5 atomic explosions ..by refusing 5 phone calls of US president....
today..Nawa-i-Waqt said...Musharraf ..asked King Abdullah to stop Nawaz ..coming back...to pakistan..but they refused that..if SC will favour the Nawaz Sharif..they will obey the orders of SC....
hope to see him ..back Pakistan..soon..inshallah...as SC ..i hope..cannot stop any ctizen of pakistan's basic right to come into Pakistan....it is his basic right....
#51 Posted by HP on August 1, 2007 12:00:57 am
Interesting! Alquaeda, Taliban, Pakistan Taliban and other Islamist and their arch enemy the US, have joined together to demand Musharaf's removal.
Baldta hai rang aassman kaisay kaisay.
Isn't always interesting that Ialmist, Alquaeda, Taliban and the US agree with each all the time and then they all blame liberals for for not doing enough to reduce their differences..
#52 Posted by masadi on August 1, 2007 12:23:38 am
HP "Isn't always interesting that Ialmist, Alquaeda, Taliban and the US agree with each all the time "
Like peas in a pod = )
Like peas in a pod = )
#53 Posted by zeemax on August 1, 2007 12:44:48 am
#34 Posted by abu_safwaan,
Abu_S, Fatima Bhutto is an unknown commodity so far. Only time will tell how she fares in Politics but she doesn't appear to be anywhere near as outstanding as even Benazir at her age. I personally think that no descendant of ZAB shares his commitments, and Bhutto family should step aside and place PPP in elected leaders' hands to save it from disgrace.
As for Jahangir Badar, he is personally loyal to ZAB and likely to stick with anyone from ZAB's immediate family - right or wrong.
Abu_S, Fatima Bhutto is an unknown commodity so far. Only time will tell how she fares in Politics but she doesn't appear to be anywhere near as outstanding as even Benazir at her age. I personally think that no descendant of ZAB shares his commitments, and Bhutto family should step aside and place PPP in elected leaders' hands to save it from disgrace.
As for Jahangir Badar, he is personally loyal to ZAB and likely to stick with anyone from ZAB's immediate family - right or wrong.
#54 Posted by zeemax on August 1, 2007 1:09:57 am
#50 Posted by dawa-i-dil,
hope to see him ..back Pakistan ..soon.. inshallah ... as SC ..i hope..cannot stop any ctizen of pakistan's basic right to come into Pakistan....it is his basic right....
You know, when these idiots trample the constitution, they believe they can do anything they want for as long as they want.
Even if any deal was signed between NS family and Musharraf with King Abdullah as guarantor (as is claimed), it is Ultra vires being in contravention of the basic rights guaranteed in the constitution. SC will strike down any such deal.
So prepare the welcoming party. Sharif brothers are the only ones capable of achieving a national consensus, as you rightly pointed out.
hope to see him ..back Pakistan ..soon.. inshallah ... as SC ..i hope..cannot stop any ctizen of pakistan's basic right to come into Pakistan....it is his basic right....
You know, when these idiots trample the constitution, they believe they can do anything they want for as long as they want.
Even if any deal was signed between NS family and Musharraf with King Abdullah as guarantor (as is claimed), it is Ultra vires being in contravention of the basic rights guaranteed in the constitution. SC will strike down any such deal.
So prepare the welcoming party. Sharif brothers are the only ones capable of achieving a national consensus, as you rightly pointed out.
#55 Posted by bulleya on August 1, 2007 1:39:55 am
zeemax #: " personally think that no descendant of ZAB shares his commitments, and Bhutto family should step aside and place PPP in elected leaders' hands to save it from disgrace.......As for Jahangir Badar, he is personally loyal to ZAB and likely to stick with anyone from ZAB's immediate family - right or wrong."
...i actually had a chance to, personally, meet some of the ppp and pml leaders, and have long talks with them, for a book i was assisting with.......
i agree with you that the best thing that could happen to ppp is for bhutto family to step aside....in fact that is the best thing that could happen to pakistani politics.....it may result in a revival of pakistani politics, as a whole.......all said and done, ppp is really the only national solid political party in pakistan......however, bb and zardari's own corruption and its feudal-centric leadership is going to destroy it......
......a ppp led by aitezaz ahsan or some of its other leaders, will pummel everyone in the coming elections......a ppp led by bb and zardari is well on its way to an ultimate decline........
jehangir badr's status in ppp is no longer so prominent, as he cannot win an election from his area, where sharif brothers now dominate.....he is a direct competitor to shahbaz and nawaz sharif's constituencies in lahore, and cannot defeat them.......the only ppp leader, who can win comfortably in lahore, is aitezaz ahsan.......
ppp has some good people in it......unfortunately, benazir will only allow the bozos like amin fahim to come to the top, when she is absent.......
...i actually had a chance to, personally, meet some of the ppp and pml leaders, and have long talks with them, for a book i was assisting with.......
i agree with you that the best thing that could happen to ppp is for bhutto family to step aside....in fact that is the best thing that could happen to pakistani politics.....it may result in a revival of pakistani politics, as a whole.......all said and done, ppp is really the only national solid political party in pakistan......however, bb and zardari's own corruption and its feudal-centric leadership is going to destroy it......
......a ppp led by aitezaz ahsan or some of its other leaders, will pummel everyone in the coming elections......a ppp led by bb and zardari is well on its way to an ultimate decline........
jehangir badr's status in ppp is no longer so prominent, as he cannot win an election from his area, where sharif brothers now dominate.....he is a direct competitor to shahbaz and nawaz sharif's constituencies in lahore, and cannot defeat them.......the only ppp leader, who can win comfortably in lahore, is aitezaz ahsan.......
ppp has some good people in it......unfortunately, benazir will only allow the bozos like amin fahim to come to the top, when she is absent.......
#56 Posted by aquaris on August 1, 2007 3:23:29 am
Just Curious...
Where is Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto ( Junior )...??
the son of I presume Murtaza Bhutto.
he Must be of age by Now...!!
#57 Posted by jayp on August 1, 2007 3:31:31 am
Ahmer,
You have hit the nail on the head. By definition no political party can have an ideology in pakistan. The touch stone is simple, is there a communist party in pakistan.
It is an islamic republic that did not have any independence heroes.
Nothing can be done about pakistan now, it will become a jihadic failed state.
You have hit the nail on the head. By definition no political party can have an ideology in pakistan. The touch stone is simple, is there a communist party in pakistan.
It is an islamic republic that did not have any independence heroes.
Nothing can be done about pakistan now, it will become a jihadic failed state.
#58 Posted by jayp on August 1, 2007 3:37:55 am
Bhuttos return,
This is probably the right time for benazir to come back to pakistan and take on the reigns.
It was her father who declared that pakistan will have the bomb and they will eat grass. Both have been achieved, and like a true daughter, she should rule from now on.
The only real hero of pakistan is Zulfi, he promised and he delivered.
Again it was zulfi who presided over the partition of pakistan, it is he who recognized Bangladesh. It will be another bhuttos turn to deliver POK to india, NWFP to afghanistan, and retire in sindh.
This is probably the right time for benazir to come back to pakistan and take on the reigns.
It was her father who declared that pakistan will have the bomb and they will eat grass. Both have been achieved, and like a true daughter, she should rule from now on.
The only real hero of pakistan is Zulfi, he promised and he delivered.
Again it was zulfi who presided over the partition of pakistan, it is he who recognized Bangladesh. It will be another bhuttos turn to deliver POK to india, NWFP to afghanistan, and retire in sindh.
#59 Posted by tahmed32 on August 1, 2007 4:37:08 am
masadi #41 So, you think that " The Army's job is to stay in the barracks and defend the country's borders from external aggression, period. "!! This reveals your ignorance, which no amount of big talk and low insults on your part can cover up.
What I stated as being the proper role of the armed forces (i.e. to defend the Constitution, not overthrow it) is in fact part of the generally accepted role of the armed forces in any country!!
Here, e.g., is the oath taken by anyone joining the US Army:
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;"
What I stated as being the proper role of the armed forces (i.e. to defend the Constitution, not overthrow it) is in fact part of the generally accepted role of the armed forces in any country!!
Here, e.g., is the oath taken by anyone joining the US Army:
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic;"
#60 Posted by tahmed32 on August 1, 2007 4:40:37 am
masadi: After responding to your post #41 below, I notice there are two more posts from you commenting on what I wrote. I didnt read them because I am not going to waste more time with you.
#61 Posted by tahmed32 on August 1, 2007 4:43:46 am
GT #36 I see we independently provided the same response to banneditem. Great minds think alike! :-)
#62 Posted by tahmed32 on August 1, 2007 4:58:18 am
banneditem #29 Those, I am sure you will admit upon reflection, are very weak responses you provide when challenged on your contention that Pakistani people are not fit to elect their own rulers. Please re-read my post #18 and GT's post #35, because I think you need to reflect on your way of thinking.
e.g. you are simply incorrect when you say that "Bush did not get re-elected because of one state Ohio". That state would have meant nothing if he did not already enjoy a strong electoral support. And thus what I said remains true - if Americans can make a mistake by electing a disaster like Bush to be President, then Pakistanis can be allowed to make a few mistakes too - if they wish to elect a man who flashes the Quran, that is their right. As long as they can learn the hard way and remove the maulvi from power when his term is up and if they chose to do so.
And please dont think that your naukar's son is genetically inferior (as your post implies) and incapable of reaching your own lofty ideals. Such arrogance merely reflects very superficial thinking.
e.g. you are simply incorrect when you say that "Bush did not get re-elected because of one state Ohio". That state would have meant nothing if he did not already enjoy a strong electoral support. And thus what I said remains true - if Americans can make a mistake by electing a disaster like Bush to be President, then Pakistanis can be allowed to make a few mistakes too - if they wish to elect a man who flashes the Quran, that is their right. As long as they can learn the hard way and remove the maulvi from power when his term is up and if they chose to do so.
And please dont think that your naukar's son is genetically inferior (as your post implies) and incapable of reaching your own lofty ideals. Such arrogance merely reflects very superficial thinking.
#63 Posted by dawa-i-dil on August 1, 2007 5:04:11 am
Breaking News....
justice Ifthikhar said today ..in hearing PML(N) top leader Hashmi..prison petition that...when he has completed his punishment ...government could not put him in jail...so..on friday..his petition will be re listened...
hope ..that ..he will be released soon....
baja dee Ifti nai sub ki....
aur Dictator gannai kai khait mai baitha Chuppa laga raha hai....
justice Ifthikhar said today ..in hearing PML(N) top leader Hashmi..prison petition that...when he has completed his punishment ...government could not put him in jail...so..on friday..his petition will be re listened...
hope ..that ..he will be released soon....
baja dee Ifti nai sub ki....
aur Dictator gannai kai khait mai baitha Chuppa laga raha hai....
#64 Posted by dawa-i-dil on August 1, 2007 5:09:34 am
Justice Iqbal summoned NAB DG on 3rd August.....
hai..hai...hai...SC nai phar dee sab kee....
hai..hai...hai...SC nai phar dee sab kee....
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