The Deal and Our Responsibility

Dear writer,

what choice are u offering? Mma (MUllAOON)? PML-N (Tinda Sharif)?

i think if musharraf and bb do a deal, and the ppp leadership and jiyalas don't go up in arms, pakistan will have an mma govt. within a decade...

the ppp-army coaltion will have mqm as a partner.....the three most liberal and westernized leaderships in pakistan.....and pro-america.......however, the three most morally and financially corrupt groups.......

.......the liberal pro-west leadership has really lost their head........they have created an invisible enemy of, "islamic extremism" in pakistan, which, apparently, needs to be fought at all costs.....

.....the only religious extremism organic to pakistan is shia-sunni terrorism.......which seems to have finished now......all other militant religious extremism is part and parcel of foreign policy......it is not indigenous to pakistan......the moment pakistan breaks ties with usa on foreign policy, it will disapp'ear.....

.......following is an interesting line from daily times........a newspaper that is hell bent on having the musharraf-bb leadership in power, because it will take on, "religious extremism"....."For Pakistan, democracy is important, but even more important than that is the extirpation of terrorism and its parallel governance." (daily times).....

amazing......

#1 Posted by GT,

Agree. The time of emotional blackmail by a few asking for sacrifices by many is gone.

Musharraf or the "Little" Saddam = )

Couldn't resist posting this Lee Hamilton report

"(Quote) The time has come to bear down on Musharraf. For years, he has captivated the United States by presenting himself as a secular moderate in a region beset by religious extremists. But his actions have not matched his rhetoric. He has promised to cease Pakistan's support for the Taliban and round up al-Qaida, but failed to deliver. He has promised to transition Pakistan toward open democracy, but continues to govern like a military dictator. Meanwhile, he has received $10 billions in U.S. aid since Sept. 11.

It is not acceptable for al-Qaida to retain a safe haven in Pakistan's tribal areas. We cannot permit another attack on the United States. Further U.S. military aid to Pakistan should be conditional on Pakistani action. And we must be clear with Musharraf that if Pakistan won't take out al-Qaida, the United States will. Here, we have many tactical options that do not involve a substantial ground force: covert actions, special operations and air strikes, including unmanned aircrafts. Before acting, we would have to be certain that our action was the only remaining option to eliminate the sanctuary.

Musharraf's argument against this kind of direct action -- by his government, or the United States -- is that it would cause his government to fall and enable Islamic extremists to come to power. The reality is that his rule is endangered because of his own heavy-handed tactics, and his current behavior has facilitated the growth of Islamic extremism. Furthermore, Islamic extremists are not strong enough to take over the country; it is far more likely that another Pakistani general or a political bloc led by a former prime minister would take over were Musharaff's government to fall.

The United States must make clear that our interests in Pakistan go beyond the rule of its president. Musharraf has insisted on keeping his position as the head of Pakistan's military despite promises to transfer to civilian leadership, refused to permit former civilian prime ministers to enter the country, cracked down on independent media, and rigged elections. His recent attempt to fire the chief justice of Pakistan's Supreme Court sparked intense protests and was eventually overturned.

There have been some improvements in Pakistani life, including economic growth. But most ordinary Pakistanis see the United States backing an autocratic leader. As we take a tougher line on counter-terrorism, we should broaden our engagement with the Pakistani people. We should increase aid for secular education and civil society, so that we help create alternatives to radical Islam, and show the Pakistani people that we want to help them achieve a better future.

We need to proceed with care in Pakistan, a country beset by radical Islam. But we must also have red lines. In the rugged tribal areas of Pakistan, those red lines are being crossed as al-Qaida has reconstituted a base. For the security of the American people -- and for the future of Pakistan -- we must send President Musharraf a clear message: Enough is enough (End quote)

The author writes "And your Country asks for your vote."

You should have finished the thought man by quoting echo at the end.

And the country asks for your vote...and after that its (army) business as usual

What a miserably barbarous comedy enacted by the US elite....

In #2 read "No warming up his manuvering to strike the dagger at the right moment. "

As

This is no warming up man, it's manuvering to strike the dagger into the opponent at the right moment."

"I would have had no objection if PPP had come to Power after a free and fair election, but conspiring with USA to get to power and striking deals with Dictator is not what I expected from the Daughter of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto"

Free and fair ha ha, mian the US doesn't want to deal with Musharraf, they need a stop gap and the BB will fill the vacuum, and since Musharraf has been skinned alive (i.e. stripped of the uniform for all real intents and purposes- that is why he's running to the BB for survival). Now she knows "with" the Uniform he is the center of power, without it he is Horse sh**, so she wants it off- that is no deal man, that is deceit! He knows it so he wants to keep the uniform and then dictate to the BB using the power of the army, that is no deal man, that is deceit too. So what has changed? No warming up his manuvering to strike the dagger at the right moment.

But BB has the upper hand, you know why? Because the US doesn't wanna deal with Musharraf anymore. It's a struggle for his life not for power at this moment, and I am thinking that he will lose it based on his stupidity... Now (pardon me HP), did you read what Lee Hamilton, Bush's Homeland Security Advisory Council member said: yeah, he let the cat out of the bag (or he might have been reading Chowk and our interacts- either/or, or the past history of Pakistani power adjustments that was written before the events by the US!). Let me quote from Dawn (July 31, 2007):

"He rejected Islamabad's argument that a direct military action (by the US) would cause the government to fall and enable extremists to come to power. He said "The reality is
that his rule is endangered because of his own heavy-handed tactics, and his current behavior has facilitated the growth of Islamic extremism". He argued that extremists were not strong enough to take over the country, he said "It is far more likely that another Pakistani general or a political bloc led by a former prime minister would take over were Musharraf's government to fall."

Ha ha the Einstein with access to NIEs has come to this estimate or has he let the cat out of the bag....what have I been saying for months on here now. Also read the above carefully the insiders are NOT interested in extremists taking over or not, they are downplaying that to get rid of Musharraf- what do you gather from that? Internal threat to the US from Pakistan? Of course not because he downplays extremists in Pakistan, the need for this adjustment by the US is because of external ulterior motive, that is why they have ALWAYS been interested in Pakistan and not for anything internal, as their occupation force, aka the Pakistan Army is fully incharge.....Needless noise and clmoring and slogans by the Jihadists and the Americans pooh pooh them as "real threat" while build them up for adjustment purposes, that is why I say the Jihadists are nothing more than tools in the hands of the Shaitan of the present, i.e. the US elite........Listen and learn from this Zee mian...

“Ask not what your country can do for you: Ask what you can do for your country“

Bull ...

Why?

The common people of Pakistan have done a lot for their country (read the ruling classes) .... sacrificing their lives from Afganisthan to Kargil. It is time for people to ask what their country can do for them.