Michel Houellebecq: France's New Literary "Enfant Terrible" and Islamophobe

Re: # 9

GT, honestly I think you are reading too much into Naqshbandi's comment--if anything it can be read as 'hey, the Muslims weren't quite so 'orrendous and genocidal as all that, despite the bad guys or relations weren't so bad b/w H and Ms for one to completely kill the other. I agree with that actually--. It doesn't have much to do with a superiority complex:).

GT,
I am against genocide of anyone but i was just using that to try and make a point to laddu sahib about all muslims in his view being haters of non-muslims.

I also agree with you PM that for most of Islamic history Islam was not politicised; political religion is a problem as the current trend of politicised mullahs shows.

they have managed to shame a great religion.

of course, many of houellebecq's criticisms of islam (i would say islamism) are often made on chowk by other people. his genius is to see that void at the heart of Modern Man whichever religion he may belong to. Indeed, in his book Possibility of an Island he describes (in the words of his character) the demise of all organised religion in the world (wishful thinking on his part perhaps?) as the 21st century progresses; he makes a specific point in his novel of mentioning how islam held out longer than the other religions before succumbing...

Thanks for the offer, Asif.

re. laddu's comment re. Westophibia and your reply that "the words and actions of a few extremists do not mean all muslims hate all non-muslims", well, of course it doesn't mean that all, or even most, Muslims hate non-Mulsims.... but the point that the few are able to have the impact they do is reason for pause.

I say PAUSE. Your observation that a thousand years of Muslim rule "over" the idolators did not lead to a genocide of the latter is indeed interesting. How much of that had to do with the fact that, under the Moghuls, Islam wasn't politicised, is also an interesting question.

#5 Posted by Naqshbandi

Naqshbandi sahib,

"if they wanted to they could ..... ". What "if they wanted to but could not ...?"

How long will it take you to get rid of this mindset? And you, sir, are whining about "Islamophobia"?

no probs. email me if you cannot get hold of it.

laddu,

hundreds of millions of muslims --many of them devout--have lived in india for a millenium. if they wanted to they could have attempted a hitler-like 'final solution' to the hindus of
india as they were the dominant power for 1000 years. they did NOT do so. not even under aurangzeb. so u should stop
believing propaganda and learn to think for yourself.
the words and actions of a few extremists do not mean all muslims hate all non-muslims.

Re: # 5

Sorry Sufi Saheb. The sanitized version of muslim rule taught to you does not bury the pains of my idolator fore fathers who faced the sword only because they did not believe in a formless god who came in some one's hallucinations.

Muslims civilization needs slaves and dhimmis/zimmis because their economy is based upon rent seeking out of zimmis and looting and plunderings.

The moghul and other muslim rules did not convert every one by sword because the idolators bribed the qazis and got themselves declared as zimmis.

THe entire country of india was converted into a zimmidari.
The nawabs were given the zimma of the idolators who were treated as zimmis. The zimma was valued in terms of wealth of the idolator hindus who were required to pay the moghul kings.

Those who refused were demoted to kafirs.
And were immediately despatched to Allah's hell.

This ping pong between bing a zimmi (if you pay) and being a kafir (if you do not pay) went for long . We idolators have suffered long to know why moguls and muslims DID NOT KILL all of us.

If every one becomes muslim - where would the slaves and booties and kaneezs come from as ordained by the Quran???

Thanks for the reviews, Asif. Will try to get my hands on Atomised, if available here-- Or else I'll have you mail it to me. ;-)

I have not read these books.

But, regarding "Islamophobia" I can only say that actually it is the "Westphobia" of the Islamists that is the cause of present crisis.

As an idolator , I can say that I am AFRAID of a devout muslim because he would not hesitate to kill me- rathar he would consider it as his honour. Idolators like me have been killed, murderd and raped since ages in Indian sub continent.

The so-called "Islamophobia" is a natural experience of genocide that remains within the idolator's community.

As an idolator I am prepared to act in my self defence if any devout muslim displays belligerence by calling my gods FALSE or cursing me or raising his sword threatening death to idolaros!!!

no time for these frivolous things. too busy reading chowk and having a scrap here. Maybe you should try it as well sometime. its refreshing.

What? Has no one else from Chowk read any of Houellebecq's work? I find that hard to believe.

Sex, Islamophobia, cloning, sex tourism, re-engineering human beings, the collapse of morality in Western society, the triumph of secular liberalism--all these are recurring themes in his work. Surely, here we have enough topics to talk over on Chowk.

I await some responses. The only thing I'd add would be to say if you only read one of these books make sure it is Atomised (in the US it was released as The Elementary Particles) and don't watch the (watchable) German movie based on it until you've read the novel.