Science and the Islamic world --- The quest for rapprochement

Re:cliftonbridge

I think it is certainly positive to see that Pakistani society is changing its attitude towards hindus. The recent opening of Katas Raj temple and the one in the Lahore fort, the overall behavior with visiting Indians are a sign that Pakistanis no longer have a knee jerk reaction about anything related to hinduism. They had already reversed their attitudes towards sikhism a while back and now seem to be extending that same reversal to hinduism as well. Although more can be done, it is nevertheless a welcome first step.

It would be interesting to analyze why this change is happening. My theory is that Pakistani society is increasingly fearful of runaway extremism. What started out as a seemingly natural generic hatred of hindus/sikhs in the post-partition times, degenerated into hatred of qadianis, shias and ultimately anyone not on board with jihad and taliban style islam. Basically Pakistanis have stared into the abyss, especially in light of how afghanistan has been literally destroyed by similar forces, and are realizing that the pendulum has swung too far in one direction. It is good to see at least some efforts to push back the pendulum in the other direction of tolerance.

Jang are you denying that there has not been a single conviction in the Gujarat and Bombay riots with ovr 4000 muslims butchered in broad daylight with even a report, i think callled the Srikrishna report ? and mind you it has been 15 years since the bombay riots and 5 years since gujrat.

are you also one of the nazi holocaust deniers?

#511

Finally a fitting answer.

rattlesnakes of all creeds and colours should only play with each other and leave the 90% non venomous bunnies alone...i.e you and other rabid types from all over should just enjoy your snake dance with each other.

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this is heartbreaking ...in arjuns mind pakistani's are so unfair and unbalanced ...you know an angel dies everytime a completely unbiased pakistani hater like arjun says he doesnt belive in paki liberals :( are there any angels left in heaven i wonder?

laddu jee i am clifton sahiba and i am glad you know enough indian muslims to give you a sensible view on them. Maybe one day you will know enough paki's too.

#506 Posted by tahmed32 on August 7, 2007 8:48:59 pm


And assuming for the sake of argument that the Pakistan government did that in the past (which is quite likely) and still does so (less likely)


HAHA..

kuldip nayyar clones: see how paki "liberals" dance around their government's role in the support of islamic terrorism...

told you so...only pakis that don't support or condone terrorism are pushing daisies...

correction to #506: That should be my post #456, not #435, that you should check.

While you are at it, and read what I wrote in bold at the end of that post to understand why the "fasaadee tatoos" on both the Indian and Pakistan side are the worst enemies of the people they claim to represent.

#498 arjun: I see you didnt get the joke about your playing your Grand Inquisitor role at Guantanamo where both guards and inmates could have a good laugh, and repeated your dumb questions.

Here is the response, genius: What makes you think I know the answers any better than you or any other individual other than Musharraf and his key staff? Should I expect you to be aware of RAW's activities in Pakistan?

And assuming for the sake of argument that the Pakistan government did that in the past (which is quite likely) and still does so (less likely). So what? Are you so stupid as to think that I call for peace with India in order to impress a bunch of strangers on chowk that I am a peace-loving man, you idiot? Read my post #435, and tell me if there is one thing that I wrote that is contradicted by the dumb questions you have been posing from your high and mighty perch as Grand Inquisitor?

Like I said, fasaadee tatoos (muslim as well as hindus) like you are the worst enemies of the very people they claim to represent!!

jang: er...um..the bamiyan buddha is in afghanistan. How can you make such dumb mistakes and claim to be a "perfidious hindu" at the same time? If old man Chanyaka were still around, he would have you go to the corner and become a murgha!!

#500 borivli fast local (there is no such a thing as an authentic borivli express)

yeh..you tell tahmed. its his duty to carry out jihad and not using perfidious hindu technique a la krishna, but honest paki method..dont hide, be open and conduct it. paki public is (aparently) fully behind you (to get justice for kashmiri brothers who are under hindu occupation) so why worry? all you got is some hindu liberals, get them some free cabs and maybe we can install bamiyan buddha back again.

Re: # 476

clinton saheb,

Indian muslims I know of have mostly got over the incredible phobia of idolators and idolatory that is pontified and drilled into common muslim's psyche by mullahs.
That is only because they have develped a sensibility that makes them appreciate living in a multi cultural and religious society.

Indian muslims are certainly impure by Arabic standards- ask any mullah from Arab or go and see how they are treated by their fellow pure Arabic Sheikhs.

Quranic standards are defacto reflection of Arabic culture- the language, the thought process and even the logic- a tamil speaking muslim who appreciates hindu scriptures, music and does not know Arabic like Kalam are impure (najis) mushriquoons and munafiqoons.

You can ask Zeemax and Urstruly.

#501 Posted by laddu on August 7, 2007 6:28:41 pm

forget temple...it' not even safe to build a mosque these days in the land of the pure...never know when it'll get the white phosphorus shake and bake treatment...

Re: # 474

Actually I would love to do that. But here I am not looking to 'restoration' of already desecrated temples which are not the right place to establish idols.

I am trying to look at the possibility of establishing a real Swaminarayan Temple on a 20 or even 1000 acre land.

As far as I recall new temples post partition in Pakikstan are almost non-existent- this is a logical consequence of the mullah Islam according to whoch in an Islamic state dhimmis CANNOT establish new temples to propagate their kufr.

If we can allow a huge Swami Narayan Temple on a 100 acre land , then that would go a long way in building bridges between idolator hindus and moderator muslims in Pakistan.

muslims take note
1)In hinduism lying and cheating are justified even by their gods for example Krishna in Mahabharata

2) Muslims life and property is less secure than that of any non muslim undera muslim as zero convictions after 15 years of Bombay and Ayodhya as well as Gujarat riots show

3) Most of the funding for these riots and the Bjp/VHP come from North America and UK so beware many of the hindu posters of hate here must be reported and monitored

4) As you can see from the postings of the hindus on this site the amazing hatred they carry in their hearts and that they are taught from childhoods, no lie or justification i too fantastic for them.

5) They would love muslims and pakistanis to condone their brutality in Kashmir and the rest of India but it is the religous duty of a mslim to resist an injustice on his fellow muslim until his last breath, hence this battle will continue till we have secured justice.

kuldip nayyar clones take note: even supposed paki liberals like tahmed refuse to disavow their government's use of islamic terrorists who kill non-pakis...