Science and the Islamic world --- The quest for rapprochement

Re: # 428

Hey DM,

It is like saying the actually we are born masoom and muslims.

We are all "originally" muslims. That is why Islam has an "original" claim on every one's soul for submission.

And by the way, this 'assimilation' of the story about Abraham establishing Kabaa is another myth. The myth about Abraham was 'assimilated' so as to allow justification of violence and murder of the idolators.The entire Abrhamic legend 'superimposed' was to justify Mohammad's occupation of Kabba.
Infact , the evils of Islam come from the myth of Abraham . The roots of Islamic violence lay in this legend of idol breaking Abraham that Islam tries to use in order to justify violence towards idolators like me.

So Al Qaeda says that I am a legitimate target. I am not sursprised because Quran has already passed fatwa on my head since last 1000 years.

As Hirsi Ali says " WE are all under Fatwa".

I agree with her.

laddu: I must say you are doing a much better job than arjun or jay thakeray. They lack that dramatic flair you possess. In fact they have become dull with time (yawn).
You would not by any chance be trying to take their job away by impressing the BJP Department of Propaganda and BS are you?

laddu: you write My fore fathers were murdered...Millions were beheaded...decimate his civilization , rape his women and enslave his family...Millions were beheaded because my idolator fore fathers were poly theists and pagans

And where in India did they teach you this? In Bollywood studios? Glad to see your forefathers managed to reproduce before being beheaded, btw. Otherwise Chowk would be lacking a drama-major with us today.

Re: # 424

Prime Minister Saheb,

Evolutionist and Creationist have proponents in the world of Sciences.

But they do not kill each other over it.

The issue I am raising is one of hatred and murderous intent BECAUSE some body is not willing to convert to your point of view.

My fore fathers were murdered just because they did not believe in the muslim point of view about a so called 'formless" god.

Millions were beheaded because my idolator fore fathers were poly theists and pagans.

How can some body kill another , decimate his civilization , rape his women and enslave his family because he holds a non monotheist metaphysical view??

How ???

dullabhatti#427:


"kaaba was a mosque before Mohamamd?'

You obviously need to perfect your knowledge of Islamic mythology/history. :)

According to Islam, Mohammad did not bring Islam to this world but it is the religion of mankind, starting with the origin of Adam and Eve, Hazrat Adam being the first Prophet of Islam. According to their belief, Prophet Abraham built and worshipped at the Kaaba which, therefore, was a proper masjid before the pagans of Mecca placed their idols in it and turned it into their place of worship. In this way, Prophet Mohammad merely restored Kaaba to its original status.

kaaba was a mosque before Mohamamd?

masadi#421:

"THe idolators have no right to take over mosques and build them as idol houses, for their perversions and profitability. That is the tale behind the Kaaba."

Replace idolators with Muslims and mosques with temples and this is dangerously close to the argument used by the ruffians who demolished the babri masjid.

Re: # 422

Laddu,

you are asking Masadi the wrong questions - He specializes in consipary theories about US and things US.

He does not know shit about these other issues you raise and hence shows his ignorance by taking the route he has.

cheers

re, laddu:
I am yet to see a muslim who would love me because I love idolatory.

hmm... Mommy wasn't very nice to you, eh?

But seriously, asking that a group opposed to idolatry love you because you love idolatory (as opposed to inspite of your love for it) is a little like asking that Evolutionists to love Creationists because they believe in silly things like Adam and Eve being blown into existence from sand.

re. masadi:
"But once you cross the limit of encroaching on other people's freedom and privacy as many Christian missionaries do, then you certainly would have crossed the line,...

Care to elaborate of the modus operandi to which you are referring??

Hey,

Asadi, Dude. This is cool. You would NOT get worked up if I establish my idols and do shodopachar pujan in muslim lands.
Great. Then we can be friends. If you do behave nicely then I do not mind your keeping an air of having found some 'truth' in your Quran.
I have found my 'truths' in idolatory which I do not intend to impose on any one or kill any one else over it.
I love idolatory!!
If you muslims do not intend to do all those beheadings that your Ghazis did to my forefathers then I have no issues with Mr. Asadi.
You can continue carrying your air of having found some 'truth'. I will keep to my 'truths' about my polytheistic metaphysics.
Let me see what others have to say about my idolator ways. Especially the fact that after reading Quran I have already rejected the message. Now , I continue practicing my idolatory and doing panchopachar and shodopachar pujan on my idols. I do not accept the message or Quran, nor accept its self-evidentiary claims to truths. To me it is a rant of a pagal adami.
So , what do guys like zeemax, echo and HE etc have to say about it??

Laddu writes :

"Tell me if my temple with idols is a 'legitimate' target or not?"

Who says they are "targets", they are places of practicing irrational beliefs, nobody said loony tunes were a 'legitimate' target. In fact the Quran is quite explicit in telling the Muslims, "not to attack their idols", this tells me how little you know of the Quran, you fool.

"Tell me if you would allow me to live as a practicing idolator and allow me to propagate my idolatory?"

You want to propage the monkey-god or what not that is your privilage, only bigger idiots than you will (as some of the Mullahs are) will get all worked up over that. But once you cross the limit of encroaching on other people's freedom and privacy as many Christian missionaries do, then you certainly would have crossed the line, and I'll call the cops on your a$$

"Tell me if you would condemn Mohammad's destroying the idols and killing the un-repentent idolators.?"

THe idolators have no right to take over mosques and build them as idol houses, for their perversions and profitability. That is the tale behind the Kaaba. No unrepentant idolators were killed or sanction given for their killing unless they attack Muslims in battle willing to kill them.

"Tell me if after reading the Quran and having rejected it's so called message, woulde you consider me a 'legitaime' target of death or not?"

Of course not, I have already stated that in the previous post but you are too dumb to understand my answer. The Quran is quite clear, "let him/her who will believe and let him/her who will disbelieve", it further tells us and the prophet, "You are in no way a compellor over them", then it is quite explicit in saying, "There is no compulsion in religion, truth is clear from falsehood..."

"Tell me if you would allow me to re-buile temples in your pureland and establish idols.??"

I am not the ruler of Arabia, when that happens (which will be soon enough =)), I will allow all indigeneous idol worshippers to establish their temples on their own land. No implants from india will be allowed to grab land like the Israelis and then try to change the demography of the region.

"Tell me if you would allow me to establish temples with idols in Mecca or not??"

(See the answer to the previous question)

I told you to shut up about the Quran, you know NOTHING about it, your statement are not only ignorant they reveal your bigotry hidden behing your dimwit facade. It shows us that what you invent regarding the Quran and Muslims, you believe in yourself regarding those that don't belong to your group, especially the Muslims.

Fool, neither you nor your dimwit friends here possess even a tiny atom worth of morality and enlightenment contained in the Quran...

"Regarding the Quran, the book is a mercy to humankind...."

Yes, the only mercy to my idolator fore fathers was to let them live as zimmis with those yearly payoffs so as to let them live in servitude to Islamic fascism.

Entire Quran is based upon idolo-phobia.

I am yet to see a muslim who has got over this phobia.

I am yet to see a muslim who would love me because I love idolatory.

I am yet to see a muslims who would say that Mohammad did the wrong thing in prescribing the violence against idolators ns their idols.

I am yet to see a muslim who has got over the idolatory-phobia and can enter my temples with reverence towards my gods.

Asadi Saheb,

Tell me if my temple with idols is a 'legitimate' target or not?

Tell me if you would allow me to live as a practicing idolator and allow me to propagate my idolatory?

Tell me if you would condemn Mohammad's destroying the idols and killing the un-repentent idolators.?

Tell me if after reading the Quran and having rejected it's so called message, woulde you consider me a 'legitaime' target of death or not?

Tell me if you would allow me to re-buile temples in your pureland and establish idols.??

Tell me if you would allow me to establish temples with idols in Mecca or not??

Asadi Saheb,

Tell me if my temple with idols is a 'legitimate' target or not?

Tell me if you would allow me to live as a practicing idolator and allow me to propagate my idolatory?

Tell me if you would condemn Mohammad's destroying the idols and killing the un-repentent idolators.?

Tell me if after reading the Quran and having rejected it's so called message, woulde you consider me a 'legitaime' target of death or not?

Tell me if you would allow me to re-buile temples in your pureland and establish idols.??

Tell me if you would allow me to establish temples with idols in Mecca or not??