Pervez Hoodbhoy August 2, 2007
#576 Posted by arjun2 on August 8, 2007 11:22:27 am
#573 Posted by tahmed32 on August 8, 2007 11:14:06 am
I asked you a straight forward question. If you've answered it, it shouldn't be so hard to paste the response again... unless you're trying to avoid the question all together because you know you've been exposed as a phony...
I asked you a straight forward question. If you've answered it, it shouldn't be so hard to paste the response again... unless you're trying to avoid the question all together because you know you've been exposed as a phony...
#575 Posted by arjun2 on August 8, 2007 11:18:21 am
#561 Posted by dost_mittar on August 8, 2007 10:37:50 am
On the other hand, your posts merely create/deepen hatred for India/Indias/Hindus among Pakistanis
sure pal..the pakis come to the internet without an ounce of hatred in them...they read my posts and bam!! they turn bat shit crazy..
face it...the politeness and the bhaichara and the we-don't-support-islamic-terrorism thing is just a veneer...scratch the surface and the real paki reveals himself...
it's kuldip nayyar clones like you who've kept india from taking reasonable steps like repealing article 370...
not to worry...people don't live forever.
On the other hand, your posts merely create/deepen hatred for India/Indias/Hindus among Pakistanis
sure pal..the pakis come to the internet without an ounce of hatred in them...they read my posts and bam!! they turn bat shit crazy..
face it...the politeness and the bhaichara and the we-don't-support-islamic-terrorism thing is just a veneer...scratch the surface and the real paki reveals himself...
it's kuldip nayyar clones like you who've kept india from taking reasonable steps like repealing article 370...
not to worry...people don't live forever.
#574 Posted by laddu on August 8, 2007 11:17:33 am
Re: # 537
clifton saheba,
desecrated temples are not to be used for worship. Any idol that has a defect or develops a crack or is "khandit" (broken) cannot be used for worship again.
That is why I am talking about new temples.
I just want to know - how many new temples were constructed in Pakistan post partition???
The answer would perhaps be too obvious.
So, given the past reality, would PAkistanis allow me to build a huge swami narayan temple on their muslim land???
And, even if it is allowed to be built, would they allow it to remain standing or perhaps bomb it in another moment of frenzy ?
clifton saheba,
desecrated temples are not to be used for worship. Any idol that has a defect or develops a crack or is "khandit" (broken) cannot be used for worship again.
That is why I am talking about new temples.
I just want to know - how many new temples were constructed in Pakistan post partition???
The answer would perhaps be too obvious.
So, given the past reality, would PAkistanis allow me to build a huge swami narayan temple on their muslim land???
And, even if it is allowed to be built, would they allow it to remain standing or perhaps bomb it in another moment of frenzy ?
#573 Posted by tahmed32 on August 8, 2007 11:14:06 am
#571 arjun: re-read #543. then read #572. cheers!!
#572 Posted by tahmed32 on August 8, 2007 11:12:25 am
OK. my seemingly unlimited chowk time is now used up. I shall be back later. So, arjun, giani, subhashjoshi: take your time to think about what I have written in #456. I am sure you can do better than what you have done so far.
Dost Mittar: just count your blessings you are counted as a "kuldip nayyar" by your countrymen. According to Masadi, I am a peon of the west. And to this I can add the honors just bestowed by Indians infuriated by my presenting certain ground realities which I have asked them to think about above in the meantime. Perhaps you can help them along here. :-)
Dost Mittar: just count your blessings you are counted as a "kuldip nayyar" by your countrymen. According to Masadi, I am a peon of the west. And to this I can add the honors just bestowed by Indians infuriated by my presenting certain ground realities which I have asked them to think about above in the meantime. Perhaps you can help them along here. :-)
#571 Posted by arjun2 on August 8, 2007 11:09:04 am
#569 Posted by tahmed32 on August 8, 2007 11:00:12 am
On Modi, as I told arjun, it doesnt matter which list he belongs to in the US.
You said he was on the terrorist list..a claim shown to be patently false as is obvious by your furious backtracking...
On Modi, as I told arjun, it doesnt matter which list he belongs to in the US.
You said he was on the terrorist list..a claim shown to be patently false as is obvious by your furious backtracking...
#570 Posted by tahmed32 on August 8, 2007 11:01:41 am
giani #564: writing gibberish on the internet requires "gonads"?
#569 Posted by tahmed32 on August 8, 2007 11:00:12 am
dost mittar #561 welcome to the mid-afternoon chowk chai party.
On Modi, as I told arjun, it doesnt matter which list he belongs to in the US. The important fact is that as an elected chief minister in India, he was denied permission to enter the US on account of his association with the gujerat murders of indian muslims. That is what Indians need to remind themselves every time they feel like jumping on a moral pedestal to preach to Pakistanis about nurturing criminals in their midst. In fact (to take borrow the moral pedestal for a second for Pakistan), unlike Indians, we dont elect criminals and persona non grata in other countries to high office. :-)
On your advice to arjun: that is good advice, and exactly the point I have tried to make in #456. I have yet to have any of your countrymen take up my challenge to focus on the realities I present there, with arjun studiously avoiding any reference to it!! So much for chowk as the cross-roads of ideas or discussion.
While satisfying their petty little minds by gloating about India and tarring Pakistanis as terorists, Indians like arjun ignore the fact they are doing exactly what Ben Laden and Musharraf (for different reasons) would love to see them do, and exactly what is in the worst interest of Indians themselves.
On Modi, as I told arjun, it doesnt matter which list he belongs to in the US. The important fact is that as an elected chief minister in India, he was denied permission to enter the US on account of his association with the gujerat murders of indian muslims. That is what Indians need to remind themselves every time they feel like jumping on a moral pedestal to preach to Pakistanis about nurturing criminals in their midst. In fact (to take borrow the moral pedestal for a second for Pakistan), unlike Indians, we dont elect criminals and persona non grata in other countries to high office. :-)
On your advice to arjun: that is good advice, and exactly the point I have tried to make in #456. I have yet to have any of your countrymen take up my challenge to focus on the realities I present there, with arjun studiously avoiding any reference to it!! So much for chowk as the cross-roads of ideas or discussion.
While satisfying their petty little minds by gloating about India and tarring Pakistanis as terorists, Indians like arjun ignore the fact they are doing exactly what Ben Laden and Musharraf (for different reasons) would love to see them do, and exactly what is in the worst interest of Indians themselves.
#568 Posted by tahmed32 on August 8, 2007 11:00:06 am
subhasjoshi #566: get a grip on yourself. I know reality is hard to face, but be brave. You can fix your problems, like I suggested you do before I am willing to waste my precious chowk time with you.
#567 Posted by dost_mittar on August 8, 2007 10:51:55 am
giani_240#564:
My post to arjun was in response to his constant taunting me to be a Kuldip Nayar clone (even though I paid full fare to taxi drivers in Pakistan :-))
My post to arjun was in response to his constant taunting me to be a Kuldip Nayar clone (even though I paid full fare to taxi drivers in Pakistan :-))
#565 Posted by subhashjoshi on August 8, 2007 10:48:26 am
SO HOW DID YOU BUTCHER HINDUS AND WHY, TAHMED UNCLE?
WHY IS THAT NOT A CRIME IN YOUR SHAMELESS EYES?
YOU WILL HAVE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION, IF NOT TO ME, THEN AT LEAST TO YOURSELF.
WHY IS THAT NOT A CRIME IN YOUR SHAMELESS EYES?
YOU WILL HAVE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION, IF NOT TO ME, THEN AT LEAST TO YOURSELF.
#564 Posted by giani_240 on August 8, 2007 10:42:39 am
DM Sahib,
please let me preface by saying that I have a lot of respect for you and I have also chastised Arjun severely in the past for his stance. However, in this instance with the series of interacts with Tahmed, I have to humbly disagree with you and goad Arjun on. At least he is showing some gonads.
cheers
giani
cheers
please let me preface by saying that I have a lot of respect for you and I have also chastised Arjun severely in the past for his stance. However, in this instance with the series of interacts with Tahmed, I have to humbly disagree with you and goad Arjun on. At least he is showing some gonads.
cheers
giani
cheers
#563 Posted by subhashjoshi on August 8, 2007 10:42:20 am
Further to # 562 Tahmedji
And of course you are unable to say where is the gaali/galoch in my post, right?
And of course you are unable to say where is the gaali/galoch in my post, right?
#562 Posted by subhashjoshi on August 8, 2007 10:39:45 am
Guruji that's what you have been saying since time immemorial (sorry for cliche) to Arjun here, and yet you keep responding to him.
So, what happened to Hindus of Pakistan? Make a nice plausible story of it (deNile is very far from where you were born, hahaha.)
So, what happened to Hindus of Pakistan? Make a nice plausible story of it (deNile is very far from where you were born, hahaha.)
#561 Posted by dost_mittar on August 8, 2007 10:37:50 am
laddu:
Do you know if any Hindu request to build a temple was refused by Pakistani govt.? Here is a suggestion: Raise donations for building a Swami Narayan temple in Lahore or Karachi, get some local Hindus (yes, there are still some, at least in Karachi!) to submit a proposal to their govt. for building the temple there and if the request is rejected, you would have a solid case to present.
tahmed32:
You would be more accurate if you called Modi Persona Non Grata in the US, as he has not been called a terrorist by any American agency.
arjun:
I have no shame in admitting that I have close affinity with Punjabis across the border and I feel quite at home in their company. But my stance towards Pakistan is based on realpolitik and not on any sentimental grounds. In fact, I would have fully supported the Indian govt. if it had followed jihadis across the border in hot pursuit or bombed out their training camps in POK. But Indians did not have the gonads to do that. On the other hand, your posts merely create/deepen hatred for India/Indias/Hindus among Pakistanis and I don't see how this hatred is of any benefit to India/Indians/Hindus.
Do you know if any Hindu request to build a temple was refused by Pakistani govt.? Here is a suggestion: Raise donations for building a Swami Narayan temple in Lahore or Karachi, get some local Hindus (yes, there are still some, at least in Karachi!) to submit a proposal to their govt. for building the temple there and if the request is rejected, you would have a solid case to present.
tahmed32:
You would be more accurate if you called Modi Persona Non Grata in the US, as he has not been called a terrorist by any American agency.
arjun:
I have no shame in admitting that I have close affinity with Punjabis across the border and I feel quite at home in their company. But my stance towards Pakistan is based on realpolitik and not on any sentimental grounds. In fact, I would have fully supported the Indian govt. if it had followed jihadis across the border in hot pursuit or bombed out their training camps in POK. But Indians did not have the gonads to do that. On the other hand, your posts merely create/deepen hatred for India/Indias/Hindus among Pakistanis and I don't see how this hatred is of any benefit to India/Indians/Hindus.
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