Science and the Islamic world --- The quest for rapprochement

Re: # 543 Tahmed chachoo

Guruji aap eik baat ka jawaab to deejiye : how many hindus were there in Pakistan at the time of partition and how many are there now? You start blurting Modi-Fodi etc etc at the drop of a hat. You don't feel ashamed at all, hainji? The treatment meted out to your minorities, it doesn't perturb your conscience, or you don't have one, hainji?
India mein to eik ya do ya dus Modi hain, aapke yahan to saali poori qaum hi ModiyoN kee hai. Besharm kahin ke, lahaul bila...

arjun #536 You seem to have difficulty comprehending anything more than isolated phrases. Here is what you should do:

Re-read all three lines of my post #534 very slowly, until the meaning of the entire sentence sinks in.

Next, once you have succesfully demonstrated your understanding of #534, you can go into advanced english comprehension, and read my post #533. This is more challenging since it consists of - sit down on a chair for this - four entire sentences!!

Third, having successfully demonstrated understanding of #533, you are ready for (drum roll) real time. For this, go to my post #456 (the one I have been reminding you about, and which you have been studiously ignoring) and study the ground realities I have presented there.

THEN come back and either accept my challenge to tell my how your hallucinations are stand up before the ground realities I have presented in #456, or else keep hallucinating about "paki terrorists" and "Indian IT billionaires". The choice is yours. Remain arjun the nut, or become arjun the chowk statesman.

#540 Posted by cliftonbridge on August 8, 2007 9:21:06 am


I actually dont support killing innocent civilians anywhere for any ideology.


I might be reluctantly willing to accept that YOU don't but your government sure does...and let's not kid ourselves..most of your fellow pakis were completely on board with the whole jihad thingy..and that includes paki-americans whose love of jihad only went into the closet when the TSA probes started going deeper at airports..

Re: # 538 arjun

Not asking cabfare is their style for doing "munh mein ram-ram aur bagal mein chhuri". Only a maudlin K Nayar clone falls for such nautanki.

I actually dont support killing innocent civilians anywhere for any ideology.

"cliftonbi, its the bunnies that make rattlesnake hunting impossible..muddy up the waters"....i agree, if only there were a pure rattlesnake race in the world :(

#537 Posted by cliftonbridge on August 8, 2007 9:15:02 am


forget laddu: most of us prefer that you not support islamic terrorism rather than having your wear a bindi or whatever...

same thing goes for prophet tahmed who tells us kuldip nayyar wannabes weren't charged cab fare by the paki cab drivers..how about you charge double fare and not support islamic terrorism, huh?

"As I said earlier, I would certainly like to know Pakistanis who are willing to wear a bindi, choori and wear sindur. And ofcourse throw away that horrible attire called burqa". I dont routinely wear either one of those outfits and are both somewhat alien to me, but i certainly wouldnt die at the thought of wearing either one.

"Ofcourse say - Namaste without worrying about what their maulavi saheb says about it".
again namaste is not a natural greeting fear of maulvi sahabs is very low on my list of emotions.


"I would love to interact with Pakistanis who do not squirm in their seats when I openly declare my veneration for my deity and when I perform puja on its idols."
I am not squirming, religion can be a great thing ,i hope your faith makes you a better person.

"I would love to see the day when a new 100 acre Swami Narayan Temple is constucted on the muslim lands."
i would like to see that too, but realistically like i said the population of hindus went down by 1000% so even the existing temples were underutilized.

prophet tahmed: Show me which terrorist list modi is on...I'll show you which terrorist list the paki terrorist groups are one..the groups armed, funded and trained by your government...

should be easy to do, right? objective criteria..post the link to the list...

shishapa: see #534 for my response on Modi. Perhaps, instead of joining arjun in beating around the bush while avoiding realities, you would care to focus on some of the subcontinent realities that I listed in #456. Perhaps that way we can actually have a discussion on chowk that is something more than a bunch of comedians acting out their fantasies of being the Grand Inquisitor (arjun).

PS: to #533 and as for your beating around the bush, not that it is important - by trying to split hairs in #527 and again in #530 on exactly which list Modi is on, you dont hide the reality that Modi was refused a US visa on account of his terrorist activities in gujerat.

arjun #530, #527 #526

Three posts that beat around the bush, while studiously avoiding what would be the starting point for any consideration for anyone who wishes his views to be treated as anything more than a joke: namely, the ground realities I challenged you to focus on and find fault on if you can. The invitation to accept my challenge remains open. Otherwise, you are doing nothing more than what Musharraf and Ben Laden, LeT etc., (for different reasons, of course), would love for you to do: paint Pakistanis as being supportive of islamist terrorism.

To keep repeating the obvious, with spiteful, stupid men like you trying to portray yourselves as representing India and/or the US (which you understand little more than the stupid little US slang words you have tried to pick up), neither India, nor the US, needs any enemies.

laddu

Why do you want pakis doing all those hinud stuff... let them just be pakis...

lookie what we have here...reality shows it' hateful anti-pakiland colors again...

Maryland Man Sentenced for Involvement with Al Qaeda

The United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Michael J. Garcia, announced Wednesday in a press release that Mahmud Faruq Brent was sentenced this morning to 15 years in prison. The 15 year sentence was the maximum sentence under the charges Brent was facing. Brent was charged with conspiring to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization. This organization, Lashkar-e-Taiba (translated "Army of the Pure"), is committed to violence against the United States and its allies.

The judge in this case, Judge Loretta A. Preska, stated that terrorist fighters like Brent make it possible for these terrorist organizations to put their terror into practice. Brent also traveled to Pakistan to train with the Lashkar-e-Taiba. The judge also stated that after completing his military training in Pakistan, Brent returned to the United States awaiting an opportunity to put what he had learned into practice.

The investigation leading up to this sentence revealed that Brent, along with other accomplices, traveled to Pakistan to receive training, and then returned to the United States. Brent was living in Baltimore, Maryland upon his return. Brent has, during this time, received martial arts training from Tarik Shah. Shah was a co-defendant who pleaded guilty to conspiring to provide material support to al Qaeda. Upon further investigation, Shah's address book led authorities to Brent. The FBI had been monitoring Shah's communication and had recorded telephone conversations of him mentioning that Brent could be trusted. Shah also planned to invite Brent to participate in martial arts training videos for the training of jihadists.

Shah was subsequently arrested and used as bait to find out more about Brent. Shah agreed to meet with Brent and allow the FBI to monitor his communications. During this meeting, Brent further implicated himself in the terrorist scheme. Brent encouraged Shah to attend the training camps, but stated that it was difficult to trust people. He said, "We don't know who is who." Brent also said, "We were not in a position to make new friends." Brent also revealed that he had agreed to provide whatever "assistance" he could to the terrorist organization, and he hoped that Allah would bless him for his efforts.

Brent was later arrested. A search of his residence revealed jihad training videos, recording by radical clerics, and a computer which showed Brent had visited the Lashkar-e-Taiba website. The webpage encouraged those wishing to fight the enemies of Allah to attend the training camps.

The FBI, the New York City Police Department, and the New York Joint Terrorism Task Force all took part in this investigation.

#522 Posted by tahmed32 on August 8, 2007 5:10:59 am



harish_hyd #519 No doubt the US terrorist list LeT. It also includes Modi, elected Chief Minister of Gujerat. Does this mean that the US is going to be concerned with LeT or Modi in the same manner as it is wrt al Qaeda?


"moderate/liberal" tahmed tries to pull a fast one...

1. modi isn't on the SD terrorist list
2. why, yes...the US does consider the LeT to be in cahoots with the AQ...prophet tahmed knows about this...the virginia jihad network was prosecuted next door, in virginia..
3. The london bombers trained in camps run by the "indigenou freedom fighting groups" that prophet tahmed supports...

Re: # 509

clifton sahiba ji,

Adaab,

As I said earlier, I would certainly like to know Pakistanis who are willing to wear a bindi, choori and wear sindur. And ofcourse throw away that horrible attire called burqa. And ofcourse say - Namaste without worrying about what their maulavi saheb says about it.
I would love to interact with Pakistanis who do not squirm in their seats when I openly declare my veneration for my deity and when I perform puja on its idols.
I would love to see the day when a new 100 acre Swami Narayan Temple is constucted on the muslim lands.