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Babar Mufti August 4, 2007
#148 Posted by zeemax on August 11, 2007 6:12:17 am
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#147 Posted by masadi on August 9, 2007 11:26:19 am
in #146 read "(but never do it he's out of uniform)"
as "(but never does it when he's out of uniform)
as "(but never does it when he's out of uniform)
#146 Posted by masadi on August 9, 2007 11:15:04 am
According to captain clueless, "fK", the Army has nothing to do with Pakistani political institutions being weakened, fighting US wars, as it works politically with the Pak Army, against the public, has nothing to do with it. According to Einstein here, it's all a power fight between a president and prime minister, and the Army would gladly support a strong president (but never do it he's out of uniform) and that is because of the time Jinnah spent in office! Go figure MashaAllah..., what the hell is this fool teaching our youth?
#145 Posted by rf786 on August 9, 2007 9:06:30 am
Re: # 143
Supreme Court hears Nawaz Sharif’s exile appeal ISLAMABAD, Aug 9 (AFP) Pakistan's Supreme Court Thursday began deliberating an application by former prime minister Nawaz Sharif to have his exile overturned and be permitted to return to the country. The application was heard by Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry. “It is Nawaz Sharif's unconditional and unequivocal right to return to the country, which cannot be either curtailed or denied,” his lawyer Fakharuddin Ibrahim told the court. Returning to Pakistan was a “fundamental right,” Ibrahim said, adding that Sharif's desire to come home was “linked with his concerns for the future of democracy in the country.” ”We are concerned with the future of parliamentary democracy in the country, which cannot be undone by a gentleman in uniform,” Ibrahim said.(Posted @ 15:05 PST)
Supreme Court hears Nawaz Sharif’s exile appeal ISLAMABAD, Aug 9 (AFP) Pakistan's Supreme Court Thursday began deliberating an application by former prime minister Nawaz Sharif to have his exile overturned and be permitted to return to the country. The application was heard by Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry. “It is Nawaz Sharif's unconditional and unequivocal right to return to the country, which cannot be either curtailed or denied,” his lawyer Fakharuddin Ibrahim told the court. Returning to Pakistan was a “fundamental right,” Ibrahim said, adding that Sharif's desire to come home was “linked with his concerns for the future of democracy in the country.” ”We are concerned with the future of parliamentary democracy in the country, which cannot be undone by a gentleman in uniform,” Ibrahim said.(Posted @ 15:05 PST)
#144 Posted by rf786 on August 9, 2007 9:03:01 am
Re: # 136
HH
I agree with you, if required Mush will simply dismiss the entire bench.
As for the honorable Chaudhry CJ, well he is the same Chaudhry who endorsed Mush takeover and continuation thus the reward of becoming CJP. The recent standoff against Mushy was led by Lawyers not the CJ who was a mere spectator. Had the honorable CJ any ethics or principles he wud have resigned from his position once the decision was made in his favor cause his actions had compromised his neutrality as CJP. But, then again he is no saint nor any different from the rest.
HH
I agree with you, if required Mush will simply dismiss the entire bench.
As for the honorable Chaudhry CJ, well he is the same Chaudhry who endorsed Mush takeover and continuation thus the reward of becoming CJP. The recent standoff against Mushy was led by Lawyers not the CJ who was a mere spectator. Had the honorable CJ any ethics or principles he wud have resigned from his position once the decision was made in his favor cause his actions had compromised his neutrality as CJP. But, then again he is no saint nor any different from the rest.
#143 Posted by stuka on August 9, 2007 8:58:58 am
can anyone confirm this Times of India news?
Setback to Musharraf as SC clears Sharif's return
Topic started by stuka on Aug 9, 2007 8:42:47 am
Pakistan’s Supreme Court ruled that exiled former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif can return to the country (AFP Photo)
ISLAMABAD: A two-judge Bench headed by re-instated Pakistan Supreme Court Chief Justice Iftikhar M Chaudhry on Thursday ruled that the former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and his brother can return home from their "forced exile".
The petitions of Sharif and his brother Shabaz was filed on August 2 and was listed for hearing by Chaudhry and senior judge M Javed Buttar.
The Supreme Court ruled, "It is a settled proposition of law that the right to enter in the country cannot be denied but a citizen can be restrained from going out of the country. The petitioner (Sharif) is a citizen of Pakistan and has a Constitutional right to enter and remain in the country."
It was similiar to the grounds of the 2004 court order, which the Sharifs had attached to their petitions.
The brothers had also accused the government of "brazenly violating" the orders in preventing them from returning.
Nawaz Sharif along with 20 family members were exiled to Jeddah in 2000, which the Musharraf government says was part of a deal it reached with Sharif and the Saudi royal family.
Sharif, who later moved to London, denies making a deal and claims that he was forcefully deported.
Setback to Musharraf as SC clears Sharif's return
Topic started by stuka on Aug 9, 2007 8:42:47 am
Pakistan’s Supreme Court ruled that exiled former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif can return to the country (AFP Photo)
ISLAMABAD: A two-judge Bench headed by re-instated Pakistan Supreme Court Chief Justice Iftikhar M Chaudhry on Thursday ruled that the former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and his brother can return home from their "forced exile".
The petitions of Sharif and his brother Shabaz was filed on August 2 and was listed for hearing by Chaudhry and senior judge M Javed Buttar.
The Supreme Court ruled, "It is a settled proposition of law that the right to enter in the country cannot be denied but a citizen can be restrained from going out of the country. The petitioner (Sharif) is a citizen of Pakistan and has a Constitutional right to enter and remain in the country."
It was similiar to the grounds of the 2004 court order, which the Sharifs had attached to their petitions.
The brothers had also accused the government of "brazenly violating" the orders in preventing them from returning.
Nawaz Sharif along with 20 family members were exiled to Jeddah in 2000, which the Musharraf government says was part of a deal it reached with Sharif and the Saudi royal family.
Sharif, who later moved to London, denies making a deal and claims that he was forcefully deported.
#141 Posted by harish_hyd on August 9, 2007 2:28:08 am
#140 by dawa-i-dil
Yaar if that happens, it'd be a good thing. But unfortunately, dictators seldom realize how much people hate them. They have an inflated sense of their self-importance.
Yaar if that happens, it'd be a good thing. But unfortunately, dictators seldom realize how much people hate them. They have an inflated sense of their self-importance.
#140 Posted by dawa-i-dil on August 9, 2007 2:25:37 am
LOL...have you not sen millions of people when they came on the street when he dismissed CJ ...
man ..he cannot dismiss any SC judge...and if he will ever try to attempt that...he will be kicked out of this country forever ..believe me...
man ..he cannot dismiss any SC judge...and if he will ever try to attempt that...he will be kicked out of this country forever ..believe me...
#139 Posted by harish_hyd on August 9, 2007 2:16:12 am
#137 by dawa-i-dil
LOL...you dont know MUSHY CANNOT dismiss any judge of SC....
And you don't know Dawa beta that Mushy will do what pleases him most...do you think a DICTATOR will take your permission before he does something?
LOL...you dont know MUSHY CANNOT dismiss any judge of SC....
And you don't know Dawa beta that Mushy will do what pleases him most...do you think a DICTATOR will take your permission before he does something?
#138 Posted by dawa-i-dil on August 9, 2007 2:15:46 am
BREAKING NEWS....
no Emergency all....
Ch shujaat ...and Mushahid Hussain syed categorically denied ANY chance of Emergency....
as Mushahid said that ..these are the same fool people who once gave the foolish advice of CJ sacking to Mushy...
Mushy dar giya hai..SC sai or people's movement sai..hahahaha
no Emergency all....
Ch shujaat ...and Mushahid Hussain syed categorically denied ANY chance of Emergency....
as Mushahid said that ..these are the same fool people who once gave the foolish advice of CJ sacking to Mushy...
Mushy dar giya hai..SC sai or people's movement sai..hahahaha
#137 Posted by dawa-i-dil on August 9, 2007 2:13:21 am
Re: # 132
LOL...you dont know MUSHY CANNOT dismiss any judge of SC....
wghat the hell SC 13 judges decided after 2 months case hearing of CJ that Executice CANNOT any judge of SC...
ballo jee...dont doze...
LOL...you dont know MUSHY CANNOT dismiss any judge of SC....
wghat the hell SC 13 judges decided after 2 months case hearing of CJ that Executice CANNOT any judge of SC...
ballo jee...dont doze...
#136 Posted by harish_hyd on August 9, 2007 12:46:46 am
#135 by rf786
Re: the judiciary, Mushy has two options. If as you say the judges are corrupt and nothing has changed since the Iftikhar Chaudhary episode, then Mushy has nothing to worry about. The judges will endorse the Emergency, just as they did with his PCO. If OTOH, the judiciary has been emboldened by the CJ episode and decide to oppose Emergency, Mushy can just sack them all at one go, under the provisions of the Emergency. In both cases, he's likely to emerge the winner.
But then, even Zia was invincible, until nature (or was it man?) decided to do him in.
Re: the judiciary, Mushy has two options. If as you say the judges are corrupt and nothing has changed since the Iftikhar Chaudhary episode, then Mushy has nothing to worry about. The judges will endorse the Emergency, just as they did with his PCO. If OTOH, the judiciary has been emboldened by the CJ episode and decide to oppose Emergency, Mushy can just sack them all at one go, under the provisions of the Emergency. In both cases, he's likely to emerge the winner.
But then, even Zia was invincible, until nature (or was it man?) decided to do him in.
#135 Posted by rf786 on August 9, 2007 12:41:16 am
Re: # 132
HH
Mush is running out of options, under attack domestically and externally he has decided to go in his bunker, that may prove to be another German bunker or Saddam pothole. Our judiciary was ranked the third most corrupt institution right behind Police and customs, in all probability not much has changed and the esteemed judges will rollover like obedient pets.
Worse case scenario is looking at a fractured Pakistan which will be bad news for the region in the short to medium term but may prove to be the perfect elixir for this region.
HH
Mush is running out of options, under attack domestically and externally he has decided to go in his bunker, that may prove to be another German bunker or Saddam pothole. Our judiciary was ranked the third most corrupt institution right behind Police and customs, in all probability not much has changed and the esteemed judges will rollover like obedient pets.
Worse case scenario is looking at a fractured Pakistan which will be bad news for the region in the short to medium term but may prove to be the perfect elixir for this region.
#134 Posted by bulleya on August 9, 2007 12:31:42 am
power in pakistan must be the ultimate aphrodisiac......the ultimate high.......no one is willing to leave it, once they get the taste of it.....
....benazir has lost a father and two brothers.....she has been pm twice, and has been exiled for a decade.....yet she still wants to come back and become the pm again....to the point, that she is not even willing to have anyone else from her party become the pm......
......musharraf has been coas for ten years and president for eight......he has been the center of the world's attention, for six years......he has been wined and dined everywhere.....
.......both these individuals have gone far beyond their personal capabilities.....benazir has never had a job.....there is nothing extraordinary about her, other than her last name......musharraf rose up through a mediocre bureacracy to become the head of the army....there is nothing extraordinary in his career, either......neither of them are abdus salam, or imran khan, or edhi, or agha hasan abdis etc. of their professions......i doubt either could survive and compete in the international marketplace, on their individual skills......
yet they are willing to hold the whole nation hostage, just to gain personal power, again and again......i suppose, in the end, it is the nation's fault also, in that it agrees to be held hostage.......
pakistan has far too many people who fight their political battles from the comforts of their expat keyboards and their domestic living rooms.......and far few with enough conviction to actually do something about it.......
there are individuals on this website alone, who are apparently:
- declaring jihad wihin pakistan
- allowed access to fbi and cia, before even bush does
- are advising all the top politicians of pakistan
- etc.
they are doing all this, without even having to set foot in pakistan, or participate in any political activity!!.......we are, thus, a defeated nation of individuals who can talk the talk, but are too scared to walk the walk.....
....benazir has lost a father and two brothers.....she has been pm twice, and has been exiled for a decade.....yet she still wants to come back and become the pm again....to the point, that she is not even willing to have anyone else from her party become the pm......
......musharraf has been coas for ten years and president for eight......he has been the center of the world's attention, for six years......he has been wined and dined everywhere.....
.......both these individuals have gone far beyond their personal capabilities.....benazir has never had a job.....there is nothing extraordinary about her, other than her last name......musharraf rose up through a mediocre bureacracy to become the head of the army....there is nothing extraordinary in his career, either......neither of them are abdus salam, or imran khan, or edhi, or agha hasan abdis etc. of their professions......i doubt either could survive and compete in the international marketplace, on their individual skills......
yet they are willing to hold the whole nation hostage, just to gain personal power, again and again......i suppose, in the end, it is the nation's fault also, in that it agrees to be held hostage.......
pakistan has far too many people who fight their political battles from the comforts of their expat keyboards and their domestic living rooms.......and far few with enough conviction to actually do something about it.......
there are individuals on this website alone, who are apparently:
- declaring jihad wihin pakistan
- allowed access to fbi and cia, before even bush does
- are advising all the top politicians of pakistan
- etc.
they are doing all this, without even having to set foot in pakistan, or participate in any political activity!!.......we are, thus, a defeated nation of individuals who can talk the talk, but are too scared to walk the walk.....
#133 Posted by HP on August 8, 2007 11:58:19 pm
One more thing. People in Pakistan are so disgusted with the army's antics that if Martial Law or the emergency is declared, we might see people spontaneously come out on the streets and vocally resist it.
Musharaf is paving the way for another army General. He is the set up guy and he should not be given any quarter now.
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