Babar Mufti August 4, 2007
#108 Posted by laddu on August 8, 2007 7:53:10 am
Hey,
You guys have strange logic. The relationship of animosity is certainly not transitive. Mohammad may have believed that the idolators were his enemy. The converse may not be true.
Paki Islamists believe that hindu idolators are enemy of Islam. The converse may not be true.
That is the strange logic of Paki Islamists.
Nothing wrong, if you can read the logic of Quran. You can understand the way these PAki Islamists think and behave.
You guys have strange logic. The relationship of animosity is certainly not transitive. Mohammad may have believed that the idolators were his enemy. The converse may not be true.
Paki Islamists believe that hindu idolators are enemy of Islam. The converse may not be true.
That is the strange logic of Paki Islamists.
Nothing wrong, if you can read the logic of Quran. You can understand the way these PAki Islamists think and behave.
#107 Posted by Urstruly on August 8, 2007 7:44:27 am
Re: # 106
I think you are lying. The fact that you can't refute any claim in the curriculum has ignited fire under your tail. Otherwise I do not see a reason for your Tourrett's Syndrome.
I think you are lying. The fact that you can't refute any claim in the curriculum has ignited fire under your tail. Otherwise I do not see a reason for your Tourrett's Syndrome.
#106 Posted by arjun2 on August 8, 2007 7:32:21 am
#105 Posted by Urstruly on August 8, 2007 7:06:20 am
huh? the curriculum question wasn't posed to me...I agree with most things there about the hindoos..and personally, I couldn't care less why a paki got the way he is..I don't care that it was his curriculum...or that his mom didn't hug him enough..all I know is that the end result it that the paki is more likely to turn out to be an islamic terrorist..
huh? the curriculum question wasn't posed to me...I agree with most things there about the hindoos..and personally, I couldn't care less why a paki got the way he is..I don't care that it was his curriculum...or that his mom didn't hug him enough..all I know is that the end result it that the paki is more likely to turn out to be an islamic terrorist..
#105 Posted by Urstruly on August 8, 2007 7:06:20 am
Re: # 103
So in other words you do not have an answer about curriculum question. That's what I thought.
So in other words you do not have an answer about curriculum question. That's what I thought.
#104 Posted by dawa-i-dil on August 8, 2007 7:01:47 am
abai arjun ...
tell me about this text book information is right or wrong...
Mushy is not my phuppi ka puttar that we are responsible for what he do...
tell me about this text book information is right or wrong...
Mushy is not my phuppi ka puttar that we are responsible for what he do...
#103 Posted by arjun2 on August 8, 2007 6:19:17 am
hey urstruly...your dictator is using artillery and helicopter gunships to whack your paki brothers...did you read the weekend washington post? turns out, the bush administration got the NIE report changed to emphasize the spread of AQ in the land of the pure...to put pressure on mushy's tushy and get him to do exactly what he's doing now...
#102 Posted by Urstruly on August 8, 2007 6:07:17 am
Re: # 100
Yes, I would like to know too, which piece of information is incorrect in the curriculum.
Yes, I would like to know too, which piece of information is incorrect in the curriculum.
#101 Posted by dawa-i-dil on August 8, 2007 5:55:23 am
LOL..so whats wrong in all this information..100% correct...
and is thier any Karishna..Arjun..etc etc are thier in these texts books...??? LOL
and is thier any Karishna..Arjun..etc etc are thier in these texts books...??? LOL
#100 Posted by Chennai on August 8, 2007 4:01:27 am
Some extracts from Pakistani text-books...
These are extracts from government-sponsored textbooks approved by the National Curriculum Wing (NCW) of the Federal Ministry of Education:
General:
'Who is a Hindu? A Hindu is an enemy of Islam'
'Before the Arab conquest, people were fed up with the teachings of Buddhists & Hindus. Before the arrival of Islam in India, people lived in untold misery'.
'European nations have been working during the past three centuries to subjugate countries of the Muslim world'.
Class IV Text Book:
* The Muslims of Pakistan provided all facilities to the Hindus and the Sikhs who left for India in 1947. But the Hindus and the Sikhs looted the Muslims in India with both hands and they attacked their caravans, buses and railway trains. Therefore, about one million Muslims were martyred on their way to Pakistan.
* The Hindus treated the ancient population of the Indus Valley very badly. They set fire to their houses and butchered them.
* The religion of Hindus did not teach them good things, Hindus did not respect women.
Class V Text Book:
* After the war of 1965, India with the help of Hindus living in East Pakistan, incited the people of East Pakistan against West Pakistanis. In December 1971, the Indians themselves also attacked East Pakistan. As a result East Pakistan separated from us. We should all receive military training so that we can foil the designs of the enemy in the future. (By implication, not even a single Muslim in East Pakistan, including Mujibur Rehman, fought against West Pakistanis in 1971)
* The Hindu has always been an enemy of Islam.
Class VI Text Book:
* In the middle of the city of Deebal (Sindh), there was a Hindu temple. There was a flag hoisted on top of it. The Hindus believed that as long as the flag kept flying, nobody could harm them. Mohd bin Qasim found out about this. The Muslims began to catapult stones at the temple and at the flag, ultimately making it fall to the ground. The whole city became tumultuous and the Hindus lost heart. Some Muslims clambered up the walls of the temple and forced open the door. Qasim's army entered the city and after conquering it, announced peace. The Muslims treated the vanquished so well many Hindus converted to Islam.
* Before the Arab conquest the people were fed up with the teachings of Buddhists and Hindus.
* The foundation of the Hindu setup was based on injustice and cruelty.
* The Hindus who had always been opportunists cooperated with the British.
* The Hindus used to please the goddess Kali by slaughtering people of other religions.
Class VII Text Book:
* Some Jewish tribes also lived in Arabia. They lent money to workers and peasants on high rates of interest and usurped their earnings. They held the whole society in their tight grip because of the ever-increasing compound interest.
* History has no parallel to the extremely kind treatment of the Christians by the Muslims. Still the Christian kingdoms of Europe were constantly trying to gain control of Jerusalem. This was the cause of the Crusades.
* European nations have been working during the past three centuries, through conspiracies or naked aggression, to subjugate countries of the Muslim world. Hindus always desired to crush the Muslims as a nation. Several attempts were made by the Hindus to erase Muslim culture and civilisation.
* The Hindus too wished to ruin Muslim civilisation and culture by destroying Urdu which has been closely associated with the Pakistan Movement.
Class VIII Text Book:
* During the Khilafat Movement Hindus and Muslims were completely united and like brothers and they started to cooperate and live in peaceful togetherness. But as soon as this movement ended, Hindu hatred of the Muslim re-emerged.
* Before Islam people lived in untold misery all over the world.
Class IX Text Book:
* The Hindus and the Muslims could not amalgamate each other's way of life to become one nation.The main reason for this difference of cultures, civilisation and outlook was the religion of Islam which cannot be assimilated in any other system as it is based on the principle of...oneness of God....On the other hand, Hinduism is based on the concept of multiple Gods....There lies the difference between the Hindu and Muslim way of thinking.
* In connivance with the (British) government the Hindus started communal riots and caused loss of life and property. At the time of prayers the Hindus tortured the Muslims by playing music in front of the mosques. Before the commencement of classes the students saluted the portrait of Mahatma Gandhi and Muslim students were also forced to do so.
* Muslims promoted equality and social justice as against the division created by the Hindu caste system.
Class X Text Book:
* The ideology of Pakistan...was a revolt against the prevailing system of India in which Hindu nationalism was imposed on the Muslims.
* Islam gives a message of peace and brotherhood.... There is no such concept in Hinduism. Moreover Islam preaches brotherhood, equality and justice.... On the other hand, the Hindu society is based on caste system which downgrades the entire mankind.
* After the establishment of Pakistan the Hindus and Sikhs created a day of doom for the Muslims in East Punjab.
* The Hindus were encouraged by the (British) government to force the Muslims to join the Congress.
(These extracts have been translated from Urdu which is the standard medium of instruction in Government Schools in Pakistan)
These are extracts from government-sponsored textbooks approved by the National Curriculum Wing (NCW) of the Federal Ministry of Education:
General:
'Who is a Hindu? A Hindu is an enemy of Islam'
'Before the Arab conquest, people were fed up with the teachings of Buddhists & Hindus. Before the arrival of Islam in India, people lived in untold misery'.
'European nations have been working during the past three centuries to subjugate countries of the Muslim world'.
Class IV Text Book:
* The Muslims of Pakistan provided all facilities to the Hindus and the Sikhs who left for India in 1947. But the Hindus and the Sikhs looted the Muslims in India with both hands and they attacked their caravans, buses and railway trains. Therefore, about one million Muslims were martyred on their way to Pakistan.
* The Hindus treated the ancient population of the Indus Valley very badly. They set fire to their houses and butchered them.
* The religion of Hindus did not teach them good things, Hindus did not respect women.
Class V Text Book:
* After the war of 1965, India with the help of Hindus living in East Pakistan, incited the people of East Pakistan against West Pakistanis. In December 1971, the Indians themselves also attacked East Pakistan. As a result East Pakistan separated from us. We should all receive military training so that we can foil the designs of the enemy in the future. (By implication, not even a single Muslim in East Pakistan, including Mujibur Rehman, fought against West Pakistanis in 1971)
* The Hindu has always been an enemy of Islam.
Class VI Text Book:
* In the middle of the city of Deebal (Sindh), there was a Hindu temple. There was a flag hoisted on top of it. The Hindus believed that as long as the flag kept flying, nobody could harm them. Mohd bin Qasim found out about this. The Muslims began to catapult stones at the temple and at the flag, ultimately making it fall to the ground. The whole city became tumultuous and the Hindus lost heart. Some Muslims clambered up the walls of the temple and forced open the door. Qasim's army entered the city and after conquering it, announced peace. The Muslims treated the vanquished so well many Hindus converted to Islam.
* Before the Arab conquest the people were fed up with the teachings of Buddhists and Hindus.
* The foundation of the Hindu setup was based on injustice and cruelty.
* The Hindus who had always been opportunists cooperated with the British.
* The Hindus used to please the goddess Kali by slaughtering people of other religions.
Class VII Text Book:
* Some Jewish tribes also lived in Arabia. They lent money to workers and peasants on high rates of interest and usurped their earnings. They held the whole society in their tight grip because of the ever-increasing compound interest.
* History has no parallel to the extremely kind treatment of the Christians by the Muslims. Still the Christian kingdoms of Europe were constantly trying to gain control of Jerusalem. This was the cause of the Crusades.
* European nations have been working during the past three centuries, through conspiracies or naked aggression, to subjugate countries of the Muslim world. Hindus always desired to crush the Muslims as a nation. Several attempts were made by the Hindus to erase Muslim culture and civilisation.
* The Hindus too wished to ruin Muslim civilisation and culture by destroying Urdu which has been closely associated with the Pakistan Movement.
Class VIII Text Book:
* During the Khilafat Movement Hindus and Muslims were completely united and like brothers and they started to cooperate and live in peaceful togetherness. But as soon as this movement ended, Hindu hatred of the Muslim re-emerged.
* Before Islam people lived in untold misery all over the world.
Class IX Text Book:
* The Hindus and the Muslims could not amalgamate each other's way of life to become one nation.The main reason for this difference of cultures, civilisation and outlook was the religion of Islam which cannot be assimilated in any other system as it is based on the principle of...oneness of God....On the other hand, Hinduism is based on the concept of multiple Gods....There lies the difference between the Hindu and Muslim way of thinking.
* In connivance with the (British) government the Hindus started communal riots and caused loss of life and property. At the time of prayers the Hindus tortured the Muslims by playing music in front of the mosques. Before the commencement of classes the students saluted the portrait of Mahatma Gandhi and Muslim students were also forced to do so.
* Muslims promoted equality and social justice as against the division created by the Hindu caste system.
Class X Text Book:
* The ideology of Pakistan...was a revolt against the prevailing system of India in which Hindu nationalism was imposed on the Muslims.
* Islam gives a message of peace and brotherhood.... There is no such concept in Hinduism. Moreover Islam preaches brotherhood, equality and justice.... On the other hand, the Hindu society is based on caste system which downgrades the entire mankind.
* After the establishment of Pakistan the Hindus and Sikhs created a day of doom for the Muslims in East Punjab.
* The Hindus were encouraged by the (British) government to force the Muslims to join the Congress.
(These extracts have been translated from Urdu which is the standard medium of instruction in Government Schools in Pakistan)
#99 Posted by dawa-i-dil on August 8, 2007 12:30:20 am
Re: # 94
pakistani textbooks are not filled with hindu relgious personalities..not at all..neither we wnt to quote that into our text books..our text books are filled with Ali..Umar..Ibne Waleed.. Bilal...etc etc..
I have heard that he has 14,000 wives...
i have always said that youre all political leaders are imams of makkars..is there anything false ?????
and do you know the meaning of rapist....ignorant fool...
he married them ...read history before posting OK
pakistani textbooks are not filled with hindu relgious personalities..not at all..neither we wnt to quote that into our text books..our text books are filled with Ali..Umar..Ibne Waleed.. Bilal...etc etc..
I have heard that he has 14,000 wives...
i have always said that youre all political leaders are imams of makkars..is there anything false ?????
and do you know the meaning of rapist....ignorant fool...
he married them ...read history before posting OK
#98 Posted by dawa-i-dil on August 8, 2007 12:26:38 am
true..but ground realities are always different...
if this not the case ...why there are 56 islamic countries in world instead of 1...
if this not the case ...why there are 56 islamic countries in world instead of 1...
#97 Posted by majumdar on August 8, 2007 12:13:34 am
Dawa bhai,
(what else was between us except islam....)
Isn't everything else immaterial in front of Islam?
Regards
(what else was between us except islam....)
Isn't everything else immaterial in front of Islam?
Regards
#96 Posted by dawa-i-dil on August 8, 2007 12:09:40 am
Yaar 1971 was a different scenario..1000 miles away ..2 part ..totally different geography..language..customs ...and rituals...what else was between us except islam....
Pakistan is not in such a bad condition as you are saying...
Pakistan is not in such a bad condition as you are saying...
#95 Posted by rf786 on August 7, 2007 11:54:25 pm
Re: # 87
Nothing can save a country when its people do not wish to live with each other. We have already lost half of the country in 1971 and have done little to keep the rest together. Nuclear capability had its shortterm positive impact but has since lost its effect on nation building. Post 9/11 world has made Pak nukes more of a liability, weapons of death for others are being protected as if though our life depended on it.
Pakistan is on a self-destruct mode and we have nobody to blame but ourselves.
Nothing can save a country when its people do not wish to live with each other. We have already lost half of the country in 1971 and have done little to keep the rest together. Nuclear capability had its shortterm positive impact but has since lost its effect on nation building. Post 9/11 world has made Pak nukes more of a liability, weapons of death for others are being protected as if though our life depended on it.
Pakistan is on a self-destruct mode and we have nobody to blame but ourselves.
#94 Posted by ajeya on August 7, 2007 11:48:10 pm
#93 Posted by dawa-i-dil
[behave youeself ajeya...]
After you...
[i have never stepped onto your religious leaders like Arjun..Karishna....etc ...]
Neither of them was a "religiou leader". Throw away the Paki textbooks.
[do you know..how many wivesof Karishna ???]
Yes. One.
[shame on you ...to degrade our prophet(pbuh)...]
Telling the truth is degrading only in Islam.
[have i ever said a single word to your religious leaders ????]
You want me to play by exactly your rules?
[and who says that we worship Muhammad(pbuh)...we worship none but Allah Almighty..thats all]
Good. Then fact-based criticism about him should be perfectly acceptable by you. No?
[behave youeself ajeya...]
After you...
[i have never stepped onto your religious leaders like Arjun..Karishna....etc ...]
Neither of them was a "religiou leader". Throw away the Paki textbooks.
[do you know..how many wivesof Karishna ???]
Yes. One.
[shame on you ...to degrade our prophet(pbuh)...]
Telling the truth is degrading only in Islam.
[have i ever said a single word to your religious leaders ????]
You want me to play by exactly your rules?
[and who says that we worship Muhammad(pbuh)...we worship none but Allah Almighty..thats all]
Good. Then fact-based criticism about him should be perfectly acceptable by you. No?
#93 Posted by dawa-i-dil on August 7, 2007 11:36:44 pm
behave youeself ajeya...
i have never stepped onto your religious leaders like Arjun..Karishna....etc ...do you know..how many wivesof Karishna ???
shame on you ...to degrade our prophet(pbuh)...
have i ever said a single word to your religious leaders ????
and who says that we worship Muhammad(pbuh)...we worship none but Allah Almighty..thats all
i have never stepped onto your religious leaders like Arjun..Karishna....etc ...do you know..how many wivesof Karishna ???
shame on you ...to degrade our prophet(pbuh)...
have i ever said a single word to your religious leaders ????
and who says that we worship Muhammad(pbuh)...we worship none but Allah Almighty..thats all
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