The New Bedfellows

LOL...have you not sen millions of people when they came on the street when he dismissed CJ ...
man ..he cannot dismiss any SC judge...and if he will ever try to attempt that...he will be kicked out of this country forever ..believe me...

#137 by dawa-i-dil

LOL...you dont know MUSHY CANNOT dismiss any judge of SC....

And you don't know Dawa beta that Mushy will do what pleases him most...do you think a DICTATOR will take your permission before he does something?

BREAKING NEWS....


no Emergency all....
Ch shujaat ...and Mushahid Hussain syed categorically denied ANY chance of Emergency....

as Mushahid said that ..these are the same fool people who once gave the foolish advice of CJ sacking to Mushy...

Mushy dar giya hai..SC sai or people's movement sai..hahahaha

Re: # 132

LOL...you dont know MUSHY CANNOT dismiss any judge of SC....

wghat the hell SC 13 judges decided after 2 months case hearing of CJ that Executice CANNOT any judge of SC...

ballo jee...dont doze...

#135 by rf786

Re: the judiciary, Mushy has two options. If as you say the judges are corrupt and nothing has changed since the Iftikhar Chaudhary episode, then Mushy has nothing to worry about. The judges will endorse the Emergency, just as they did with his PCO. If OTOH, the judiciary has been emboldened by the CJ episode and decide to oppose Emergency, Mushy can just sack them all at one go, under the provisions of the Emergency. In both cases, he's likely to emerge the winner.

But then, even Zia was invincible, until nature (or was it man?) decided to do him in.

Re: # 132

HH

Mush is running out of options, under attack domestically and externally he has decided to go in his bunker, that may prove to be another German bunker or Saddam pothole. Our judiciary was ranked the third most corrupt institution right behind Police and customs, in all probability not much has changed and the esteemed judges will rollover like obedient pets.

Worse case scenario is looking at a fractured Pakistan which will be bad news for the region in the short to medium term but may prove to be the perfect elixir for this region.

power in pakistan must be the ultimate aphrodisiac......the ultimate high.......no one is willing to leave it, once they get the taste of it.....

....benazir has lost a father and two brothers.....she has been pm twice, and has been exiled for a decade.....yet she still wants to come back and become the pm again....to the point, that she is not even willing to have anyone else from her party become the pm......

......musharraf has been coas for ten years and president for eight......he has been the center of the world's attention, for six years......he has been wined and dined everywhere.....

.......both these individuals have gone far beyond their personal capabilities.....benazir has never had a job.....there is nothing extraordinary about her, other than her last name......musharraf rose up through a mediocre bureacracy to become the head of the army....there is nothing extraordinary in his career, either......neither of them are abdus salam, or imran khan, or edhi, or agha hasan abdis etc. of their professions......i doubt either could survive and compete in the international marketplace, on their individual skills......

yet they are willing to hold the whole nation hostage, just to gain personal power, again and again......i suppose, in the end, it is the nation's fault also, in that it agrees to be held hostage.......

pakistan has far too many people who fight their political battles from the comforts of their expat keyboards and their domestic living rooms.......and far few with enough conviction to actually do something about it.......

there are individuals on this website alone, who are apparently:

- declaring jihad wihin pakistan
- allowed access to fbi and cia, before even bush does
- are advising all the top politicians of pakistan
- etc.

they are doing all this, without even having to set foot in pakistan, or participate in any political activity!!.......we are, thus, a defeated nation of individuals who can talk the talk, but are too scared to walk the walk.....

One more thing. People in Pakistan are so disgusted with the army's antics that if Martial Law or the emergency is declared, we might see people spontaneously come out on the streets and vocally resist it.
Musharaf is paving the way for another army General. He is the set up guy and he should not be given any quarter now.

#128 Posted by dawa-i-dil

SC will kick out this Emergency....inshallah

The first thing Mushy will do after imposing Emergency is dismiss the SC judges. Are you so dumb that you cannot see it?

#115 Posted by Urstruly

[One down; ]

One down, eh? Wasn't that easy?

Have you prostated today?

Here is something I posted on another forum.
On August 4, 2007 - 7:28pm HP said:

Musharaf does not have much political support in Pakistan and that’s why he is looking more towards Benazir, a moderate Pakistani politician, to bail him out. It is not easy for Benazir when we consider that general population is completely disgusted with Musharaf and his policies. She is risking her popularity and the wrath of the liberal and moderate segments of the population by initiating talks with him.

By destabilizing Musharaf, the Bush admin has taken a path that most diplomats would tread on gingerly. I hope the Bush admin is watching the situation very carefully and keeping tabs on the day to day changing situation. This may just be wishful thinking on my part considering the track record of the Bush admin.

It was only two days ago that I wrote this on this thread #44 HP and we are beginning to see the end game in Pakistan.

“We are entering the Danse Macabre stage of the game in Pakistan. La Danse Macabre has all the characters: the king, the commanders, the slaves and a pretty woman.

When the dance of death starts many unlikely characters join together. That is what is happening in Pakistan. Musharaf is dancing his way to death (metaphor) and he will take many down with him.”

I spoke to couple of friends in Pakistan and they have reported that army has already been stationed on many Govt buildings and telephone exchanges in Isloo and pindi and all officers were asked to report for duty at 4 AM and they are still on duty.
I think this appears to be more than emergency, perhaps Martial Law.

I would like to add my nickel and a very important nickel about the reports of Anti-American sloganeering from the treasury benches. I kind of expected this but held back to write about it until I get full confirmation.

Nationalism is the last refuge of the scoundrels and we are going to see that so that Musharaf can claim public support on this issue. There is no doubt that there is a strong anti-American current in Pakistan but Musharaf is not the one who can tap those sentiments. All Pakistanis know how much anti-American the Pak army and is and Musharaf’s anti-Americanism is probably of the size of a mustard seed.

All dictators and even one PM claimed that US was responsible for their downfall. It is true but why they did not see that when they reached the peak of the power with the US help.

There is strong possibility that US was behind Zia’s murder and it is very much possible as there was no public accounting for his death. Richard Clark in his book claimed that the KGB was behind it. This does not appear to be correct as Pakistani Generals would have loved to investigate the Zia murder, if the perpetrator was the KGB.

Currently, we are looking at a very dramatic situation. Musharaf went to Karachi with Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen, Ehasan and kept him on his side all the time he was in Karachi. I doubt that Musharaf would have taken the risk to take a plane to go Afghanistan considering that the plane was going to flyover NWFP and the tribal areas.

SC will kick out this Emergency....inshallah

Benazir hasn't picked a good time to be the US backed candidate..between the paki parliamentary secy of defense calling for jihad against the US and this, the paki people are going bat shit crazy against the US..

One billion Muslims to turn into suicide bombers if Makkah, Madina are attacked: NA

Wednesday August 08, 2007 (1737 PST)

ISLAMABAD: The treasury and opposition members in National Assembly (NA) Wednesday have made it clear on US that one billion Muslims will turn into suicide bombers if the holiest places of Makkah and Madina are attacked and warned Vetican City will not remain secure if any such threat is materialized.

They said this unanimously while participating in debate on foreign policy. Opposition legislator Ghulam Murtaza Satti said US was pursuing double standards. Those talking of launching any military offensive against Makkah and Medina are accursed. This will not happen nor will we allow it to happen.

Treasury member Rozina Tufail said Benazir Bhutto was striking deal with government and was seeking guarantee from US. If US presidential candidates are giving offensive statements then our candidates can also say that Vetican be attacked during the election campaign in the upcoming elections ", she added.

JUI-S legislator Hamid ul Haqqani said Muslim Ummah was facing the situation the sketch of which was presented by the last prophet Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) 1400 years back.

Treasury member Ejaz Chaudhry said US was not friend of any one. " We will teach the lesson to US if it dares to come forward to attack upon us. Americans are coward nation and they can do nothing. Army should not target their brethren. US aid is like killer disease AIDS We curse it. The whole nation does not want US aid. Those who are targeting humanity and justice are terrorists. Those who are engaged in freedom war are freedom fighters. US ship is close to sink. It is hurling threats like a coward.

He demanded president and prime minister should stop holding any talk with junior US officials like Richard Boucher. "If US dared to hatch unholy conspiracy to attack Makkah and Medina then one billion Muslims will become suicide bombers and I will also be among them", he added.

Opposition member Sher M Baloch called for convening joint session of parliament for holding debate on foreign policy.

Haji Khuda Bakhsh Nizamani of PML-F said Western countries and US were out to weaken Muslims.

Fazal Subhan of MMA said it has become problem for us to safeguard nuclear device we have made for our protection. Army be immediately withdrawn from tribal areas, he demanded

Treasury member Faiz Timman alleged US was making mockery of Pakistan since the last 60 years.

MMA legislator Qari Gul Rehman demanded of the government to review its relations with US.

Minister of state for finance Omar Ayub Khan warned those involved in attacking army should abandon their activities other wise they would have to face dire consequences. " We will have to address the root cause of terrorism. These causes are Kashmir and Palestine issues.

He asked NWFP government to resign if it could not control deteriorating law and order situation in the province.

Dr Farida Ahmad alleged government was adhering to Indian agenda and had put the Kashmir issue on backburner. Iran and Afghanistan are not happy with us due to our ill-conceived policies.

MQM parliamentary leader Farooq Sattar called for bringing feudalism to end immediately. We have to eliminate religious fanaticism and address the root causes of terrorism, he stressed.

Re: # 86

The nightmare never ends; one has to learn to live with it.

Pakistani politics have seen this tug of war between a strong Prime Minister's office and a strong presidency since 1947. I have been raked over the coals, by an old Chowkwallah and a good friend, for suggesting this but I believe that Jinnah's tenure as the Governor-General of Pakistan and the importance of that office in constrast to a weakened prime minsterial office, was responsible for the diminishing of the powers belonging to the prime minister's office.

Since that day, Pakistan has relived the struggle of political power between a strong presidency and a prime minister's office that would like to increase its importance. The word "increase" is used in the sense that a prime minister's office never had power and thus, it cannot "regain" it but only increase/add to its limited powers.

The point of contention is that Pakistan, due to these power struggles, has not been clearly able to spell out, whether it is a parliamentary form of government or a presidential form of government. If Pakistan wants to be a parliamentary form of government, then the powers of the presidency will have to be clipped and the Constitution of Pakistan amended because the manner in which it has been amended in the past and the powers it gives the president, suggests that it supports/favors a presidential style of government.

The army in Pakistan has always favored a presidential style of power and the civilians have always supported a parliamentary government, with a strong prime minister's office. Therefore, the politics in Pakistan have evolved into a mixture of both and since a presidential and a prime ministerial forms of goverance are different and require different sorts of institutional support, Pakistani institutions have been weakened, as a result of this power struggle, as they were made to support two conflicting political ideas; specially, when those ideas were involved in a zero-sum game with one another.

The solution, and this is open to debate, is that in the present context of Pakistan, a presidential or a prime ministerial system of government will only work after there is a national reconcilation to decide what the nation wants and then to forge that system. However, it will require a national consensus and therefore, it makes a very strong case for the need of a national reconcilation in Pakistani politics in the manner of the national consensus that created the Constitution of 1973.

Ciao

Re: # 123
Musharraf is getting ready to do a Lal Masjid on the Supreme Court -- nu rahega baaNs nu bajay gee baasuNree