The New Bedfellows

{"Uniform is the thing of the past."}

Mufti Sahib,
I will agree with only this statement that you have made. Even Mushy is encouraging all those who should wear uniforms to discard them for security reasons - or rather personal safety reasons. :)

While DM Sahib thinks that Nawaz Besharif will benefit, I think that only the Mullahs can come out on top after this stupid and desperate act by Mushy. While going down, he is taking down Altaf Payee with him. The people of Karachi and Hyderabad support MQM not because it stands for secularism. They support MQM because it ostensibly represents them against the violent and murderous ways of Bezamir Bhutni of PPP and Nawaz Besharif of ML (N).

In the next elections, if MQM follows Altaph Payee or AH in endorsing the Mushy/BB pact, the people of Karachi and Hyderabad will abandon MQM and go for JI, which is the 2nd most powerful party in those cities.

Both BB and NS will not find any votes in NWFP and Baluchistan. Punjab will be split between BB and NS, while Sindh will be split between JI and PPP. Even if BB wins, even in a fair and honest election, people will say Mushy rigged the vote and the Mullahs will take to the streets. The Paki Army is by now fed up with Mushy and the unpleasant frequency of having to kill fellow Pakis all over the country. Mushy is gone, BB won't make a comeback, NS is considered a corrupt tyrant, leaving the Mullahs in charge of Pakistan.

Re: # 19

I think JI finally stands discredited among people of Pakistan at all levels. They have served their purpose for the empire as well. I do not think that they have a political future any more. Therefore, I do not think people of MQM of Karachi and Hyderabad have any choice but to stick with altaf, and altaf has no choice but to stick with dictator. Altaf also has to leave Britain before the muder cases of 5/12 against him get more complicated. Guess where is he gonna go?

Re: # 16 Dost, Romair

Musharraf will neither take his uniform off nor he will ever quit, since he knows very well what Amaerica does to dictators when they lose power. The fact of the matter is that Bezamir will not come to pakistan at all, because that will end the leverage that Musharaf has over PPP. But on the other hand PPP is now going to replace the sirakri moulvis of MMA who have served their purpose well. So PPP is the new MMA. Mushraf will get himself "elected" through the existing assemblies, PP will support the vote in Parliament and if need be, will help ammend the so-called constitution so that the dicattor cannot be backstabbed by Supreme Court. Keep in mind that even though the SC is "independent" now but it is still subservient to 2/3rd vote in Paliament.

Bezamir, in turn will have all cases removed against her and her husband (which includes murder of her brother). Their wealth will be released and transferred to American banks from Swiss accounts.

But there will be consequnces for that. The existing civil war will intensify against military occupation. Na Pak fouj will try to crush opposition thru murders and kidnappings, as it has been happening for the past eight years. In the next year or so Mushsraf will have to prove his usefulness or otherwise he will be eliminated. At that point Bezamir will enter Pakistan "victoriously" as a replacement for Musharaf.

Nawaz Sharif does not have it in him to lead a popular revolt. Because he does not want to change the status quo of a ruling elite. He is just waiting to sell his mother to the right buyer as he comes along.

THere is no hope except the Iranian way.

#16 ".......my guess is that musharraf takes off his uniform, gets his sins forgiven by the parliament....benazir becomes pm and within a few years, gives him a quite exit to boston........ "

Mian, wasn't it you who gave us all a history lesson on how no Pakistani leader has left in a smooth benign way? Why this turnaround now? I think that the chances of the Mush man making it to Boston are similar to the Saddam man making his escape to Jordan, before the current Iraq war. I think his goose will be cooked in the coming days....literally...He wont give up the uniform unless he first lands in Saudi Arabia and sublets the mian's summer home before making that announcement...

dost-mittar #10:....there is some merit to your analysis.....though it is hard to tell......these elections could be like none before, due to the wide spread of media access, throughout pakistan...in addition, for the first time (at least in my lifetime), there is an independent judiciary.......

....hard to tell what will happen.....

...the extremist vs. moderate debate is limited to the chattering classes.....the normal voters vote on other lines...my guess would be less than 20% of the pakistani chowk crowd actually votes in pakistani elections...

......nawaz sharif has lost 75% of his party.....and in pakistan, people vote for individuals and not for party ideologies......benazir, still, has around 75% of her party intact.....ppp will sweep if bb doesn't hobnob with musharraf......

......however, if ppp sweeps, without a deal with musharraf, benazir has a problem......she will be outside pakistan and under the new laws, will not be able to be pm, or even participate in the elections.....so someone else from ppp will have to become the pm....who will that be...and once that happens, what would stop that person from taking over ppp and kicking out benazir....

.......hence she has to make a deal with musharraf; if for no other reason, then to ensure she heads the ppp, even if it means ppp loses out to nawaz sharif....

so, her personal political survival (within her own party, also) depends on musharraf, and his depends on her......hence they need each other.......in the process, ppp, army as an institution, and pakistan lose out.....

....what will be interesting will be to see the reaction of her senior party members and voters.....aitezaz ahsan (not hussain), in the end will stick with her.....bhutto name is too strong.....they are nothing without it, in the long run......

however, what will the ppp voters do......if they vote her in, sooner or later, she will turn on musharraf and will kick him out......i think she wants to enter the pm position, and defang musharraf as a president......then in about two to three years, musharraf is gone.....

......the americans will be pushing musharraf as their choice.....however, he is in big trouble......according to paksitani law, a coup is treason and this carries the death penalty.....so if he is out, he could get charged with treason.......

interesting times.......my guess is that musharraf takes off his uniform, gets his sins forgiven by the parliament....benazir becomes pm and within a few years, gives him a quite exit to boston........

#14 Dawa,

You are a disgrace to the high quality interacts that we are normally used to on these boards! :)

I got to return to my janitorial duties, so will get to your points later (if I feel like it).

However, remember this!

MAJ was a vamp who swallowed the blood of millions of innocent victims of partition in his personal quest for power...

...and he did not even burp!

They do not make harramis of that caliber any more!

Because Allah mian perhaps took one look at what he had created back then and said the following...

"Uff, tauba! How the heck could I goof up so?!"

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amrika ne kutta pala
wardi wala wardi wala

The whole idea for the creation of Pakistan is based on suspicion, elitism, closet bigotry, and on the concept of take-whatever-you-wish-by-force!

All Pakistani politicos – starting with the MAJ – have always sold out – only at different levels!

The MAJ sold his soul and his better judgment to the lure of power!

His successors sold their individual integrity, their principles, their allegiance, their values, and their everything-else that they could lay hands on. Pakistani politicos hold a world record in selling out the fastest. They should make a claim for a gold medal in that field!

That country has conducted a wholesale ethnic cleansing of its population! And its inheritors have absolutely lacked the guts to even admit it!

Such cowards! Such a bigoted, bigoted lot of hypocritical cowards!!!!

When Pakistani “parties” talk about secularism – they have no clue what it is about!

An “Islamic” entity – by all known standards of definition – can not be “secular” – it is an absolute oxymoron based on simple rules of language!

The creation of the country of Pakistan was the greatest fraud in recent times pulled on a gullible population! In any kind of set-up (especially as witnessed in the present day land of the Pure), a minority usually lags behind and tries to catch up by working hard!

The fraudulent “logic” of discrimination against a “minority” which was used to break up India is the same specious logic which can always be used to break ANY country apart.

There is no conceptual difference between the India of pre-partition days and present day (for example) USA! Yes, there IS some discrimination in the USA now against minorities, against blacks, against hispanics, against you-name-it…!

Most of these minorities shall forever stay “permanent” minorities! Does that mean that that the US blacks start asking for a separate country? Does that mean that US Hispanics start campaigning for a separate country?

Will US muslims use the same logic from pre-partition India and agitate for a separate country within USA? Answer it honestly!

The bottomline is, when you are truly a citizen of a country by heart and without reservations, you play down your identity as an ethnic group and become a (strengthening) part of the whole – you do not try to break the country apart!

For if you do, there is no reason why the cycle can not repeat itself at different levels – as seen in the current land of the Pure! It does not matter who is at the helm.

It is the mindset…

Stupid!

Mufti Saheb:

ADVANTAGE NAWAZ SAHRIF!

I think that you have got it all wrong. Things are moving in Pakistan at a breakneck speed, but if I were a betting man, I would place my bet on Nawaz Sharif at this point. Here are my reasons:

1. Benazir has screwed up badly. Under her personal compulsions, she has not realised that Musharraf has become so unpopular that any alliance with him is going to hurt her more than help her.

2. She seems to have overestimated her dictatorial hold over her party. There is a mini exodus from her party, all kinds of anonymous rebellious statements are coming out. If Aitezas Hussain joins the fray against her, it would be all over for her, at least in Punjab.

3. As if alliance with Musharraf was not enough of an albatross, she has also the support of the US, which has never been as unpopular in Pakistan as now. And she seems to be unabashedly parading this support by making trips to Washington and advertising her special relationships with leaders there.

4. Her strength has been the very people who have led the campaign for the Chief Justice. How can they support her after tasting blood in their fight against Musharraf?

5. Nawaz, on the other hand, has been playing his cards very well. He has been consistent in his opposition to Musharraf and has made joint alliance with all those opposed to the dictator. He has the additional halo of the martyr as he was the victim of military coup.

6. He has steadfastly refused to support the US actions.

7. Members of the PML (Q) have already started deserting the sinking ship of Musharraf and coming back to his party.

8. Javed Hashmi's release has boosted the morale of his troops. If he wins his case in the Supreme Court for his reentry, he will make a triumphant entry to Pakistan.


So, get ready for another term for the "vadi tind" under the new wig.

A MESSAGE FOR ALL BEZAMIRS

zaalim ko jo na rokay vo shaamil hai zulm meiN
qaatil ko jo na Tokay vo qaatil ke saath hai

ham sar-ba-kaf uTThay haiN ke haq fatehyaab ho
keh do usay jo lashkar-e-baatil ke saath hai





Due to rains the white paint over Lal Masjid washed away, revealing its original color.

she is just plaesing her MASTERS...

she is one of the most corrupt and wicked lady of pakistan...
and i also agree..she will ever dare to enter Pakistan..10's of corruption cases are here in courts files ..waiting for her...

This horrible woman is a security risk for Pakistan

#5 Posted by Urstruly on August 6, 2007 6:42:59 am


Can't we just, as a Pakistani tell this corrupt ruling elite that the stench of their arrogance and corruption


The heat of white phosphorus is more powerful than the stench of corruption..

in any case, if you're planning on telling the paki elite anything, try raza.com for US-Pakistan calls..a paki friend recommends it for good rates and decent service..

look pal...benazir has been annointed by the US government..so it's not like mushy has a choice..he doesn't want IRS agents going over bilal mushy's books with a microscope, does he?

Can't, for once, we as citizens of Pakistan stop being analysts and start being partisans. I am not asking to be partisans for some party but partisan for ourselves. Can't we just, as a Pakistani tell this corrupt ruling elite that the stench of their arrogance and corruption has become so overwhelming that it is becoming hard for us to to breath. No matter how much one puts lipstick on this pig but interferrence of Napk fouj in the state of Pakistan is un-acceptable; their occupation is unacceptable; and their corrupting the politicians is unacceptable.

Deep down inside my heart I am convinced that nothing good can come out of elections even if they are held under the direct supervision of God. The reason is that the very foundation on which we are trying to build our institutions is hollow and crooked. It is hollow because it has no roots in the people. It does not represent the ethics, values, and wishes of the people. Elections is a vehicle through which a westernized corrupt elite only changes faces.Unless we destry this corrupt system from its root Pakistan cannot win its freedom from our proxy colonial rulers; proxy of Weste; custodians of western interests.

Fukking elections are not democracy.