Jinnah and the Islamic State – Setting the Record Straight

No Folio mian that does not follow. Please consider the following:

The demand for Pakistan was couched in constituent units re-formulating a new center. Remember since the Two Nation Theory was Muslim League's slogan and Muslim League won the election on its basis not the Congress, Muslim League alone had the locus standi to explain it.

Now consider what Congress did. It said it did not believe in the two nation theory but then insisted on dividing Punjab and Bengal on its basis. Now if we say this was fair... then by that logic all Muslim districts everywhere in India should have gone to Pakistan. Then you have small ghettos of Pakistan in India... and small ghettos of India in Pakistan.

That was only logical conclusion to Congress' cynical use of the two nation theory.

that a permanent majority ought not to by its sheer numeric majority dominate a permanent minority.

Mantolives,

By the same logic the partition of Punjab and Bengal was well justified.

Thanks.

Re: # 322

And this one too... my response to this post is also based on a collossal misreading of your post.

I apologise.

Re: # 184

Teshah,

I might have misread this post and I agree with your general sentiment in it.

Re: # 307

This is absolute nonsense. Gandhi the politician had no humanity whatsoever let alone one which challenged British imperialism. This is just a repetition of a lie.

Besides... anyone who seeks guidance for politics from a dogma and "an ancient wisdom" for 3000 years ago for a modern society and nation-making... is the real Abu jehl... Gandhi did all that. He indeed was the Abu-Jehl of the modern times.


I have spent some time reading Gandhi's collected works and I don't see any evidence or cause of optimism for such naivety of changing a racist casteist hindu fascist bigot like Gandhi into some sort of a symbol of humanity.

Time will vindicate me on this issue.... once this dust settles.

Teshah,

Jinnah never said Hindus and Muslims could not live together... what he said clearly was that a permanent majority ought not to by its sheer numeric majority dominate a permanent minority. People like Harish etc simplify the argument in order to distort it.

Here is Gandhi himself acknowledging that Jinnah's vision of Pakistan was inclusive. After Gandhi Jinnah talks in 1944... Gandhi wrote as under: “Jinnah drew a very alluring picture of the Government of Pakistan. It would be a perfect democracy. I asked him what would happen to the other minorities in Pakistan: Sikhs, Christians, etc. He said they would be part of Pakistan. I asked him if he meant joint electorates. He said, yes, he would like them to be part of the whole.(The collected works of Mahatama Gandhi Volume-78).


Furthermore... historical evidence shows that Muslim League had support in UP before the Pakistan idea. In 1937's elections where Muslim League lost out Unionist Party in Punjab etc... in UP Muslim League won all the Muslim seats. It was after an offer for coalition was rejected that Muslim League realised the importance of majority provinces.

Pakistan slogan was raised not to mobilise Muslims of UP who were already in the Muslim League ... but to mobilise Muslims of this region ... who had been clamoring for a separate state atleast 50 years prior to 1940's resolution.
I suggest you read K K Aziz's views on this.

I know that you were in your youth involved with Pakistan Movement and supported Quaid-e-Azam. It is far more important for you to shed light on the topic at hand then re-visiting and trying to re-open a debate on whether partition was right or wrong because it is an established fact of history, which people like me will never allow to be subverted inshallah.

Rashid_s,

We've discussed the reality of Gandhi many times and I can discuss it again if people wish to.

I hope that one day humanity will sift through the hoopla and discover the real Gandhi for itself. That day I am sure, I would be remembered as someone who dared to go against mass hysteria gripping some people regarding this fellow they've taken to call Mahatma.

Teshah @307
No, I did not blame Gandhi Ji for 'bad blood'. Only that he as a prominent political figure introduced the dichotomy of “religiosity” and “politics” which gave an impetus to religious fanatics on both sides.
Where as, I believe, Mr Nehru and Mr Jinnah were on par.
As I said , there is nothing wrong in two siblings living in their separate houses, even in the same compound.
Rashid

Re: # 206

Harish

But ironically Pakistan was established in the regions where Muslims could live with Hindus but the latter could not do so.

After Gandhi Jinnah talks in 1944... Gandhi wrote as under: “Jinnah drew a very alluring picture of the Government of Pakistan. It would be a perfect democracy. I asked him what would happen to the other minorities in Pakistan: Sikhs, Christians, etc. He said they would be part of Pakistan. I asked him if he meant joint electorates. He said, yes, he would like them to be part of the whole.(The collected works of Mahatama Gandhi Volume-78).

And

In the interview to Weldon James of the Collier’s Weekly magazine, on or about 25th August, 1947 the Quaid said:

“We expect to evolve a progressive, democratic government, in line with the Muslim belief in the equality of all men, and to work for international peace. As I have said many times before, Pakistan guarantees the just and equal treatment of all citizens, Muslim or non-Muslim, with freedom of worship, speech, press and assembly...

“There are fanatics in all countries; and of course we have some. But the present ‘troubles’ are a hangover from old political alignments and quarrels, stirred up from the outside, and I do not expect any great internal difficulties anywhere in Pakistan. At last Pakistan has been established and now we are free and independent nation to mould, build and reconstruct and in this great task we need goodwill and friendship of all great nations”. (Quaid-e-Azam papers F. 135-GG/5-10).

Re: # 312

Harish mian,

I did not term zeemax Islamist. I was commenting on your description of Islamists.Even the biggest weasel comment was addressed to someone else.

#307 Posted by teshah on August 16, 2007 8:52:43 pm

Sir, Let me thank u for this ack.

"they dont dance shamelessly ..as indian girls.."

Hey, dancing is beautiful. Ther is nothing shaeful about dancing. Those who do not dance are full of supressed emotions. They sit tightly with their constipated look all the time.

Dancers have alovely glow on their face- they look so happy and contented.

OTOH, these hijabins look like tied up goats about to be slaughtered.

# 316thanks hraish hyderabadai accepted pakistan as a nuclear soveriegn state....

are all indians also agree with me ????????

plz..all indians ..i want your answer...

do you laso agree with harish...

#315 by diarrhea-i-dil

OK.

and for god sake ...forget about the


cocept of


Akhand Bharat


in the sugar caoting of


we were same....

lets unite again


lets open the borders


lets have joint films industry


lets have joint holi and rakhi


lets have joint commerce and trade



as they know...


we are now nuclear power...so instead of war....

kill muslims by joint culture dramai bazi...


mind it....


we have nothing common in culture....


muslims girls are pearls..in hijaab....


they dont dance shamelessly ..as indian girls..


our nothing is common....


forget about that ...pakistan ..will ver ..be in the colours of indian..culturally...


just forget about taht...