Jinnah and the Islamic State – Setting the Record Straight

hudood ordinance also applies to muslims and nonmuslims so although i disgree with hudood how is this discriminating?

cobra the blasphemy law punishes all pakistani blasphemers....no special pass for any creed .

Kaalchakra:

What I am trying to point out that LABELLING one's ideals as Secularism,. Liberalism, or any other Oonism will never change the ground-realities.

Those who think that weraing a suit, eating double-roti, and distancing themselves fro "red-Indians" or "red-Pakians"
and acting westoxicated would make them somehow more tehzeeb-yaafta ( not civilised which is a Darwinian word, ugly word, westoxicated word)

We must set the calendar back to 1857 & make sure the clock never strikes 12noon or 12midnight again. Once the unfinished business of rtemoving the Britto-monkey from our backs & exorcised & expiated from our minds & stomacks respectively only THEN we together ( Un-divided India when Hindu-Muslims hated the Britto baboons with a vengeance) will easily be the most formidable power to in the world.

English or any other language must be learned so that we understand our enemies & destroy them ..rather than become Ba Ba Blacksheep , trying to white-wash ourselves & pretend to look smart.

No other country except the enslaved of minds like ours use a language different than their own. India & Pakistan are bigger than Europe & if there can be different languages in countries like postage stamps what prevents us from having
individual major languages & still be one...like the European Union?

What about the blasphemy law? isn't that state sanctioned discrimination?

What about the blasphemy law? isn't that state sanctioned discrimination?

[#270 Posted by echoboom on August 16, 2007 7:41:04 am ]

Discrimination is rampant in west bengal not only against Muslims but also against other non-bengalis as well. Chowk's resident bangalis and bangalans brag about how fair minded and ethnicity blind they are but that is all talk. But special position of Muslims in this is also because of historical memory how these Muslims talked about violence during independence struggle. Bengalis do not forget such bad behaviour easily.

Re: # 275

Sorry clifton bi,

Pakistan does not have Islamic Law in entirety and that is why mullahs want complete Shariat.

Pakistan has Hudood which is indeed a part of the hate legacy of Islam.
Your constitution has pledged putting all things in Islamic mode.
The complete coherence with Islamic sharia is already part of the Pakistani constitution's agenda.
It is just a matter of time before idol breaking and kafir beheading would become an EXPLICIT law in Pakistan.
This is the logic of Islamization bibi.

think this interview reveals a side unknown to us.... his favorite book was "Count of Monte Christo". Ironically to me the two fictional characters Jinnah comes closest to are the Count ... and Jay Gatsby.

http://www.dailyindia.com/show/166157.php/1916-Gujarati-interview-reveals-Ji nnahs-attributes
1916 Gujarati interview reveals Jinnah's attributes
From our ANI Correspondent

Washington, Aug 16: Pakistan's founder Muhammad Ali Jinnah followed the principle of "never be depressed" according to an interview he gave to a Gujarati journal way back in May 1916.

In the interview given in Gujarati, which was made available to the Daily Times from the back files of literary journal Visami Sadi (the 20th Century), when asked what qualities a man should be admired for, Jinnah said "Independence".

And about a woman, he said, "Taking care of the elderly".

He termed "to be admired and loved by people," as true success in life.

His favourite pastime was horse-riding, while among the flowers he admired lilly.

Shakespeare was Jinnah's preferred writer and his favourite book was 'The Count of Monte Cristo' by Alexander Dumas.

The journal also features a picture of Rutti Jinnah, taken a year after their marriage.

He signed his name 'Mahmad Ali Jhina'.


Copyright Dailyindia.com/ANI

laddu dhimmitude and idol crushing is already specifically banned by the constitution of the ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN ....so once agin you have no leg to stand on.

hey how many times killing of hindu idolators, raping and abducting their women, forcing them to convert or cutting of ears and nose of a dhimmi by muslims would happen before the hateful verses of Islam are banned through legislation by all the modern countries??

BTW - do you know that after widescale beating and humiliation of dalits the Indian constitution was ammended to say that force feeding a person of a different caste feaces was a hate crime?
How many times must it have happened for that to have been made into a law?

Thats so tragic echo sahab. Ofcourse the same stories could be written in pakistan too. The first step to ending discrimination is to accept it happens which is why its so ridiculous when hindu-indians keep saying what? us? discriminate? (Its even wilder when their protestations of tolerance come on the heels of avowed hatred toward islam.)
Ofcourse the good news is that there are many people both in india and pakistan who dont want this stuff to happen. And when it comes to the constitution both countries are more or less on the same page when it comes to minority rights.
Jinnah was absolutely right in 1947 about the different nation theory and 60 years later he is still right. All we can hope for the indian muslim community is that maybe the future will be brighter than the past and present.

echodada, welcome back!

Kya aap bhi HP ki tarah Indians ke peechhe par gaye? :)

The good news here, as you must have noticed, is that Pakistani secularists and Islamists on chowk have been able to arrive at some common understanding. That can only be good.

bTHE VISION OF JINNAH

May be India needs several more partitions.
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Fearful Muslims adopt Hindu IDs
Fearful Muslims adopt Hindu IDs

In India, many members of religious minority hide the signs of their faith to escape discrimination
Aug 15, 2007 04:30 AM
Shaikh Azizur Rahman
SPECIAL TO THE STAR

CALCUTTA–On a busy street in Calcutta's business district, he runs a food stall called "Rajib's Paratha" and is known as Rajib Mallick.

Using the popular Hindu name, no one suspects he is Rajab Ali Mollah, a Muslim who has adopted a fictitious identity to blend in with the neighbourhood's mostly Hindu office workers.

Sohrab Hossain, a Muslim student who came to the city to complete his Masters degree in English and lives in a Hindu-dominated housing complex, is known as Sourav Das among the students he tutors. To keep up his Hindu appearance he has a small idol of Saraswati, the Hindu goddess of learning, on his desk.

Every morning as she prepares to go to work as a fishmonger, Hasina Khatoon takes off her silver armband embossed with "Allah" in Arabic, puts vermillion powder on her forehead and red-white conch bangles on her wrist – symbols of a married Hindu woman – to maintain a Hindu appearance in a fish market where almost all of her customers are Hindus.

Rajab Mollah, Sohrab Hossain and Hasina Khatoon say they have adopted new identities in a Hindu-majority society where as Muslims they would face discrimination.

Analysts say many Muslims from all socio-economic backgrounds are quietly hiding their religious affiliation.

"Muslims in almost all spheres of life face a communal discrimination by powerful Hindus and they are denied many of their basic rights and freedom in an unjustified way," said Anjan Basu, a social analyst and executive editor of Pratidin, a Bengali daily in Calcutta.

Six decades after Partition, "many (Hindus) believe that Pakistan was created for Muslims and now they do not have right to live in India, which is meant for Hindus."

The Partition of India 60 years ago was a highly controversial arrangement, and remains a cause of much tension on the subcontinent today.

Basu, who is a Hindu, also said discrimination has been "institutionalized," with many Muslims being denied employment in government and private-sector offices where 90 to 95 per cent jobs are held by Hindus.

Gautam Ray, a senior journalist with Calcutta's largest Bengali daily Anandabazar Patrika, said that since the bulk of the dalits (low-caste Hindus or so-called Untouchables) converted to Islam when the religion spread in India, many upper-caste Hindus look down on Muslims as they had for generations looked down on dalits.

"The root of this communal discrimination is deeply entrenched in the society and most of these communal Hindus are not expected to change their feeling for Muslims any time soon," said Ray, who is also an upper-caste Hindu. "Muslims are often denied housing in Hindu-dominated modern residential complexes," he added.

"This communal discrimination against Muslims will not end unless Hindus themselves change their attitude. But we do not see hope of any such positive social change anytime soon."

Muslims who adopted fake Hindu identities believe they did nothing wrong by hiding their original identities.

"Ten years ago, when my house and land in the village was eaten up by a river and I came to Calcutta in search of a job, almost all street shops and restaurants in the city refused to employ me because I was a Muslim," Mollah said.

"Some said their Hindu customers could refuse to eat at their restaurants if a Muslim worked there," he said.

"But I met a Muslim man who worked under a Hindu identity to supply water to restaurants. I followed his advice, picked up a Hindu identity and soon an upper-class Hindu employed me to run a food stall."

Nearly all of Mollah's customers are Hindus and he fears his business would suffer disastrously if his customers found out he is a Muslim.

"I don't think I have done anything wrong because I know how they hate Muslims simply because of their religion," he added.

A federal commission recently found that Muslims "live in socio-economic conditions worse than many so-called backward tribal people," according to commission chief Rajendra Sachar, a former judge.

In the state of West Bengal, where the Muslim community makes up 27 per cent of the population, employment of Muslims in the government sector was below 3 per cent, the Sachar Commission reported.

Some Muslim leaders see education as the key to a better future.

"If the younger generation can educate themselves, it will be difficult for even the most communal Hindus to discriminate against a new Muslim force," said Nazrul Islam, a senior public servant and noted Calcutta writer.

"Maybe discrimination will not be wiped out completely, but an educated and powerful community of Muslims will be able to fight off the injustice, at least to a good extent."


Shaikh Azizur Rahman is a journalist based in India.

#267 Posted by mohar11,

No Dr Saheb. It's only Noida and Gurgaon. Bombay, bangalore, pune, mysore, chennai, Hyderabad are all another country.

You have created 'two' Indias' in your ignorance and the results will not be pleasant. It's no hegemon.

Re USA, it is a melting pot. The 15% blacks are 'americans'. So are the American Pakistanis or Indians for that matter. As well as the American Arabs and Italians and so forth. That's why it's a hegemon. It is monolithic.

Is India a melting pot? Or monolithic?

America is a monolith, as is China. India? Forget it.

clifton

There is no about face - yet another exaggeration on your part...:) we are not cuddling to islamists either - just that islamist rule in pakiland makes it easier for us to handle them...