What about Bombay 1992?

Re: # 118

Clifton bi,

I believe that the mullah cult would end one day. What would survive is a benign form of sufism that believes in some verses of Quran and rejects hadiths and the hate verses of Quran.

That paring down would be done by forces of modernity with the help of modern educated muslims.

The future clash is going to be between mullahs and their supporters world wide against the rest of modernity.

In my opinion the modern educated muslim would have to take a stand whether to support the mullahs or go for the modernity.

That moment is right NOW in front of Pakistanis. I fore see a great civil un rest in Pakistan in the coming months and educated muslims would be forced to take a stance for or against the mullahism.

MMA would force Pakistanis to confront the evilness of Quranic hate verses.

The battle lines are now drawn- educated muslims have to now un ambigously prepared for taking sides.

#108 BJ

Indian concept of justice is different for Hindus & Muslims.
Sanjay Datt was exonerated under TADA even though a Supreme Court five member bench had found him prima facie guilty under TADA. The only thing the lower court could have decided was either death sentence or life term. It chose, however, to exonerate Sanjay Datt of TADA offence (procuring and keeping Hand Grenades, AK rifles etc). All muslims accused of even lesser offences have been sentenced to death. And then you talk of hypocrisy, my friend...

*are prevailing*

laddu 24 hrs ago you decided that mullahs were taking over the world, that the relatively secular constitution of pakistan was in imminent threat because the MMA was multiplying by leaps and bounds, - now suddenly the forces of modernity is prevaling ???

what a difference a day can make :)

Re: # 116


This is a cult prepared by mullahs.

This is a "mullah conspiracy" .

This cult would end only when mullahs are eliminated.

Thanks to the forces of modernity even a Jihadi Commando maker like Musharaff has to turn back and start eliminating those he himself created.

The same mujahideen he had asked to climb and occupy the kargil range are now going going to occupy Pakistan.

#114 Posted by laddu

[Actually this question ;

What about 1992? is an attempt to incite.]

Of course. The job of communalist Islamic muth'rfukkers is to spread rumours and accusations about EVERY other religion. I had an Iranian Jewish friend. He told me that in Iran little kids are taught by their parents that Jews eat bread dipped in Muslim blood. In every society, the job of Islamists is to spread lies and hate about their favorite enemy- the non-Muslim. And they will do anything - ANYTHING - to spread this. And one of their favorite strategies is to blame the victim. 9/11 - caused by the US Govt and the Jews. Godhra train incident - the Hindus locked themselves in and burnt themselves. And so on and on. And this gives commie and "liberal" mofos something to hang on to.

Who knows when this accursed cult will be eradicated.

yar tahmed, try eating those quaker oats..they cause all kinda violence in the bowels.

Actually this question ;

What about 1992? is an attempt to incite.

This has been the standard incitement that is being tried by Pakistan based mullahs who ar trying to come to india and 'train' indian illiterate muslims into Dawah Speeches calling for incitement of other muslims asking them to seek revenge for other riots.

The question of what about --? was raised all the time by both the sides during the heinous partition riots.

Both the sides did not stop because the allegation - What about --? kept on enflaming both the sides.

So, next time any one say - What about --?

I would also go back and throw all those cases of riots and terror attack by muslims where the culprits were un punished and say-

Waht about --?

jang #106 Confucius did indeed live on a strange planet. So did Lao Tse. So did William Penn. It was called the planet earth.

And the confucian concept of a "mandate from heaven" was no pie in the sky idea, but one that was taken seriously by the most successful chinese emperors and which competed with other ideas - notably the legalistic or mandarin viewpoint which made a strong state the goal rather than a just state - the two being the ying and the yang of chinese thought through the ages.

In the USA, Penn's Quaker philosophy was no empty idealism but one that has impacted on the history of the US. Quakers refused to fight in wars, including the US Civil War (except once when even they got mad enough to fight off Southern raiders who tried to run off with their horses), and these ideas are the pillars built over 2-3 centuries on which the US Constitution was written.

Quakers non-violence philosophy was later reflected in Gandhi's of course, and Gandhi too lived on the planet earth.

You must put on your space suit and visit this strange planet some day. :-)

#111 Arjun mian

It is true that the worst atrocities do not happen through active participation but through passive tolerance. During the holocaust, not every German (or aven a significant fraction) was out there looking to kill the Jewish people. They merely "tolerated" that outrage!

Over the past fifteen years or so, the average "educated" Pakistani's "tolerance" for Pakistan-sponsored terrorism conducted in India is another case in point!

But such facts are not something to be proud of!

#108 Posted by bjkumar on August 16, 2007 4:18:14 pm

people have the wrong idea of what the possible solution might be. It's not the police training. It's civic society that accepts these kind of things at that moment.

During the 92 riots, the vast majority of hindus, sikhs, christians and parsis thought "muslims sar pe chadh gaye hai" after they rioted post-babri masjid. A lot of people who think the SS is a bunch of goondas were fine with one bunch of goondas teaching another bunch of goondas a lesson. I'm sure they all feel differently now but at that time, group think took over and they condoned the rioting by their silence(if not active encouragement).

And one more thing...

The check from the Bank of "Give Us What We Want, Or We Will Agitate to Go Our Separate Ways" has already been cashed! There is no more to be handed out from that account!

And the people who cashed it sixty years ago are going bankrupt!

#107 Posted by arjun2

Arjun:

My reference to Kashmir was partially a bait for you. You bit ..... So now, can we have you interact more on this board? Going along, I promise that you and i will talk more about Kashmir here .... but today I got to run.

Any Indian citizen has the right to demand justice.

The approach of “my pain was worse than yours – so address mine first” is futile – because whoever suffers a particular atrocity will feel the most sensitive about it and to them, THAT will remain the worst atrocity!

(The Pakistani crowds here are acting highly dishonest – because their simulated anguish (like their simulated everything else) pretends to be based on vicarious pain – through that subliminal “ummah” connection – which as the world knows – is mere make-believe!)

(In reality – Pakistanis do not give a hoot about the Muslims of India – because if their baap and dada had cared the least bit, they would not have left them high and dry back in 1947! (Remember the creep who said – “they will take care of themselves!”) And also, if they had cared the least bit, they would have left India alone instead of persuing a steady policy of terrorism against Indian people!)

Having said above that every citizen has the right to ask for justice – it must be made equally clear that no citizen, however aggrieved or provoked – has the right to take the law in their own hands. People must work with and within the system! Otherwise, India of tomorrow will become just like the Pakistan of today!

There is still the question of what is the most practical thing to do to obtain justice from a large body of population. Unfortunately, there is no “efficient” way to do that. One must reason, ask, remind, even create a nuisance – but all within law – and the only chance of success comes when one has the sympathy and understanding of a large body of the population – which, based on simple math, must include a LOT of whatever the majority is.

Those who include veiled threats, even under extreme provocation – would easily ruin their (slim to begin with) chances even more!

#94 Posted by GT on August 16, 2007 1:04:45 pm


But what about Kashmir? Why are we so placid about the Indian state terrorizing Indian citizens in Kashmir?


Nobody in India believes that the army goes out looking for women and children to kill...No jihadis, no need for counter-insurgency, no collateral damage..

It's the difference between desirable and acceptable. It's desirable to kill the jihadis but acceptable that the women they hide behind get occasionally killed.

regardless, haven't we been told that the kashmiris don't consider themselves Indian citizens?

yar pardesi, salim et al..you guys are talking about some strange planet....its very rare that a political demagogue gets prosecuted for this kinda stuff. please talk about what is remotely possible..or join tahmed ;-)