What about Bombay 1992?

"So dalits are colluding (temporarily) with Brahmins"

you sound as if colluding with Brahmins is a bad thing and should be avoided in the long run!!

Indians, as well as Pakistanis, are first and foremost an uncivilized lot. Pride is non-existant, well if there is any it is restricted to GDP growth, shining buildings or the percentage of sqatters on rail-way tracks. Essentially a streak of servility runs up our collective ar**. Memory does not exists, only at times it is jerked up by some court case, newspaper report or a jaagran. While Hindus and Muslims are jumping up and down like monkeys asking for justice vis a vis 1992 riots they have forgotten the Nellie massacre, 1984 (except kabuli), Bhagalpur, Meerut etc. etc. And, of course, between pretzels or stale jeleebis (whatever they eat) they have the propensity to come out with stupid "solutions". I mean, what do you make of my enemy Mohar's comment - we need a professional police force. Thank you very much - a professional police force will only massacre more professionally.

However, things are changing and hopefully changing for the good. Dalits are understanding how to take hold of POWER. So are Muslims in Assam (I forget the party's name). There is a gradual sense of understanding that you do not need ABSOLUTE POWER to protect and advance the cause of identities. So dalits are colluding (temporarily) with Brahmins in UP and Muslims with tribals (the same who carried out the Nellie massacre) in Assam.

Hoping for justice for the past (that we hardly care for or remember) is utopian. If it happens then great. What is of utmost importance is that we develop institutions which in future will limit our uncivilized barbarity.

ajeya, to extent, any community is likely to feel left out of the justice system.

Our SOLE enemies are Hindu liberals, the lefties, the commies. JNU teaches no skill other than destroying what others are building with their hard work.

There is no way to prevent inter-communal bloodshed in any society where Muslims are in significant numbers, and this problem will ALWAYS exist.

The best way to handle this problem is with the law. It is our BEST bet. It may be flawed, but it is the only thing we have. There is no other way.

If Modi is guilty, then sue him in court. What is interesting is that no one has done that. If Rajiv Gandhi, a MUCH MORE politically powerful figure, can have a case against him for years, then surely Modi, the chief minister of a state can be sued in court.

But no one will touch this. I don't think the opposition Congress or anybody else will ever want to sue him in court. Because if he is absolved of charges, then they PERMANENTLY lose a valuable weapon in their "secular" politics of vote-gathering.

I would like Muslims, instead of whining on Chowk for the damage caused by the fires that they themselves ALWAYS light, to try the Indian legal system. It is time-consuming. But it works in most cases. But they won't. Because then inconvenient FACTS will be exposed. Like for example how in Bombay, after the Ayodhya temple destruction, Muslims butchered Hindus FIRST, and STARTED the killings. Here's a quote from wikipedia:

The riots started as a result of communal tension prevailing in the city after the Babri Mosque demolition on 6 December 1992. It is commonly believed that the riots occurred in two phases. The first was mainly a Muslim backlash as a result of the Babri Masjid demolition in the week immediately succeeding 6 December 1992 by Hindu nationalists in the city of Ayodhya.

The second phase was a Hindu backlash occurring as a result of the killings of Hindu Mathadi Kamgar (Workers) by Muslims in Dongri (an area of South Mumbai). This phase occurred in January 1993 (most incidents reported between 6 January to 20 January).


Our only recourse is the law.

The Muslims are fond of talking about "root cause" that is responsible for "muslim anger" and that justifies subsequent terrorist acts, including riots etc.

If we use this "Root Cause" theory, we can keep going backwards and backwards, and we will have no one but the Muslims to blame for today's miseries, because we can start with the million atrocities committed by Muslims for the many hundreds of years when they were in power.

I WOULD WANT SOME RATIONAL MUSLIM TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION:

Did you know that the Bombay Riots STARTED with Muslims killing Hindus in Bombay AFTER the Babri masjid was taken down? Hindus did not kill Muslims at Babri Masjid, by the way.

And if this is so, then the responsibility for STARTING BLOODSHED falls squarely on Muslim shoulders - now doesn't it?

I would like some rational Muslim to answer this question.

Netizen, whatever the reason. Judiciary and Police have no reason not to catch the perps of 84,92 and 02 riots.

Jang, are you a super-duper journalist or what? Anyways, nyc has a point.

I have also heard screening of ramayana and mahabharatha are behind the riots (was it Dost-Mittar or DrLokraj who suggested that?). Jang, do you know what mechanism led the screening of religious tv serials and somebody taking a rathayatra to riots?

contd...

its not the way suggested in this article that the muslims were "peacefully" protesting while the sainiks went on a killing spree just because babri was brought down.

Isn't TNT reason enough?

#61 bhai chara is useless.. Gandhii jee callin? lol

#59 Cobra Pai, what was the reason for this small scale religious cleansing in bombay of 1992?
:)

"Muslims, grieving over the destruction of the mosque that had come to symbolise their very future in the country, were butchered like animals for more than a month by the Shiv Sena gangs and their other saffron cousins."

its either ignorance or a stupid lie.

the riots started when hindus were butchered in Bhendi Bazaar areas....
Normally nothing would happen. a few hindus dead followed by police bandobast, curfew would bring back normalcy.
That time hindus reacted too.

January riots started similarly when hindu motor-bike riders were singled out and stabbed/killed in muslim dominated areas of mumbai central.

"You are right.. every riot there infact validates TNT. "

Glad you agree. So, don't you agree that the talk of Bhai-chara is all usless. As your leaders suggested Hindus and Muslims can never live together.

"they get killed by their own sometimes" How can Muslims be our own. TNT suggests Hindus and Muslims are two different people- two different nations.

And as Zee would corroborate we are genetically different as well.

{#48 Posted by arjun2 on August 16, 2007 7:32:45 am
#44 Posted by nycoolest on August 16, 2007 6:42:36 am

Pakis who have prosecuted exactly ZERO people for the genocide of 71 have no right to talk about such thing...

#47 Posted by Cobra on August 16, 2007 7:00:08 am
And Advani, Uma and Joshi are not responsible of anybodies death.

#46 Posted by Cobra on August 16, 2007 6:58:42 am
NY, Asking us Hindus to be in harmony with Muslims is antithesis of TNT. You will be a hypocrite even to suggest that.
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Arjun2, Two wrongs make a right is a logical fallacy . If there are issue in your society then admit it rather taking it to another side of the border. Pakistani were wrong at 71, they publically admit this and accepted the creation of Bangladesh due to their own wrong doings however Indians never seems to accept Pakistan and call it division of India rather a partition from British India. All the rants and raves since 60 years over partition are a proof of this.

Cobra, seems like you did not read the article in the link. Advani jee's Rath Yatra was the main cause of all that "Communal anger" (word borrowed from Jang).

Rahi baat TNT ki to... this doesnt give anyone license to murder, rape and loot a minority. 160 million pakistani dont face the situations that Indian muslims fear..except they get killed by their own sometimes...freakin sick but in my opinion it is better then loosing all hopes due to majority rules and false slogans of Justice for all.

You are right.. every riot there infact validates TNT.

As far as peoples actions are concerned all I can say is that for every action there is profound and opposite reaction.

Same with Godhra, same in Bombay. Muslim masses get provoked very easily and up until recently the never expected formidable reaction from bhaji eating Hindus.

Kaal ;)

Jang, Police act as a result of political arm twisting is different than, say when police themselves participate in such ghastly acts themselves. Those in my opinion have no excuse.