60 Years of American DogHood

arjun: haha

If pointing out power hungry oppurtunists who have only their own interests at heart is betraying pakistan than so be it.

arjun: as resident hindutva representative, thanks for illustrating what i am trying to get across to Che Guevara by by ridiculing me for calling for support to the democracy movement in Pakistan.

With geniuses like you as enemies, Pakistan does not need any friends.

#33 in other words what i am saying is: Dont betray the rest of Pakistan by denouncing its democracy movement and supporting a dictator and the killers of May 12 on account of ethnic affiliations.

#33 Posted by CheGuevara on August 15, 2007 7:29:08 am

prophetboy's rear is glued to the saddle of his high horse...the high horse died, killed by the stench of the hypocrisy and denial...yet prophetboy remains solidly attached to the dead horses saddle...

So in other words you have no arguments and are sticking to your high faluting moralizing bs as usual.

#30 The facts of May 12 are well known to all. So dont try to start arguing over them. Just remember what I wrote - dont let your ethnic affiliations cloud your common sense. Dont betray the rest of Pakistan at this critical time in its history by supporting a dictator and the murderers of May 12 simply because of ethnic affiliations.

HAHAHA...the world already knew this...how will the pakis spin this into their usual "we pakis are victims" shtick?

hey prophet boy...lookie here...the land of the pure was completely behind the talibunnies...including paki army soldiers fighting for the taliban...


http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB227/index.htm

Washi ngton D.C., August 14, 2007 - A collection of newly-declassified documents published today detail U.S. concern over Pakistan's relationship with the Taliban during the seven-year period leading up to 9-11. This new release comes just days after Pakistan's president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, acknowledged that, "There is no doubt Afghan militants are supported from Pakistan soil." While Musharraf admitted the Taliban were being sheltered in the lawless frontier border regions, the declassified U.S. documents released today clearly illustrate that the Taliban was directly funded, armed and advised by Islamabad itself.

Obtained under the Freedom of Information Act by the National Security Archive at George Washington University, the documents reflect U.S. apprehension about Islamabad's longstanding provision of direct aid and military support to the Taliban, including the use of Pakistani troops to train and fight alongside the Taliban inside Afghanistan. [Doc 17] The records released today represent the most complete and comprehensive collection of declassified documentation to date on Pakistan's aid programs to the Taliban, illustrating Islamabad's firm commitment to a Taliban victory in Afghanistan. [Doc 34].

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB227/index.htm#17

From [Excised] to DIA Washington D.C., "IIR [Excised] Pakistan Involvement in Afghanistan," November 7, 1996, Confidential, 2 pp. [Excised]

Similar to the October 22, 1996 Intelligence Information Report (IIR), this IIR reiterates how "Pakistan's ISI is heavily involved in Afghanistan," but also details different roles various ISI officers play in Afghanistan. Stating that Pakistan uses sizable numbers of its Pashtun-based Frontier Corps in Taliban-run operations in Afghanistan, the document clarifies that, "these Frontier Corps elements are utilized in command and control; training; and when necessary - combat. Elements of Pakistan's regular army force are not used because the army is predominantly Punjabi, who have different features as compared to the Pashtun and other Afghan tribes."

According to the document, Pakistan's Frontier Corps provide some of the combat training in Kandahar or Herat provided to Pakistani madrassa students that come to Afghanistan to fight with the Taliban. The parents of these students apparently know nothing regarding their child's military involvement with the Taliban "until their bodies are brought back to Pakistan."

Are you denying that these "peaceful demonstrators" were armed to the teeth?

And you think supporting a corrupt chief justice surrounded by corrupt political leaders is gonna help Pakistan?

Are you also deluded enough to think that these people have any intention of taking on the military's role in politics?

If the Chief Justice gave a shit about democracy, why did he not declare musharrafs regime to be illegal before he was in danger of losing his job?

#28 vanguard: It is so nice to see your post. At this critical time, it is important for all Pakistanis - regardless of ethnicity or political differences - to stand together as one to get rid of military dictatorship once and for all.

Re: # 13

IB though I usually consider your arguments well constructed, however, this time I am going to disagree with you. Either you are Kunwar Khalid Yunus who wrote the same lines today or you are totally blind to whats happening on the ground in Karachi or at least choose to be blind.

Being a so called Karachi mohajir myself, I have been seen MQMs terrorists up close as I was their neighbour. I have seen them carrying out tortures, collecting extortions and they still do that.

Last Eid, you wont believe this, I have seen trucks loaded with sacrificial animal hides moving in a convoy within Karachi preceeded and followed by police mobiles so that MQM ghundas dont steal that.

Other parties' hands are not clean either but stop putting MQM in white light.

Mr. Madani: Post #26 is for you too. Please dont betray Pakistan at this critical time. Show your support for the first truly people's movement in Pakistan, and dont support a dictator and dont support Altaf who is a man who has blood on his hands.

#24 cheguevara: you can call them hooligans if that makes you happy. doesnt change what i wrote in #23 and #22. You are being extremely foolish in supporting a dictator simply because he belongs to your ethnic community. Musharraf is in it for himself, rest assured.
If you care about Pakistan, if you care about the very "urdu-speaking" community you feel so strongly about, you should support the democracy movement led by the chief justice. Dont betray the rest of Pakistan at its critical time in its history by supporting a dictator and defaming a truly national movement.

Re: # 12
Please dont mix two "altafs". MQM cvhief has not taken even 5rupees, before general took over army was anti MQM and still is but due to prsident they have moderated. I fully agree there "totally important factor of Ethinicity". I agree with your analysis of voters of KARACHI.

Tahmed32, ethnic affiliations have nothing to do with the fact that the "demonstrators" were hooligans armed to the teeth and anything but peaceful.

#21 che guevara: what happened with the cjp's demonstrations in the rest of pakistan - they were peaceful. No one fired any weapons. So why do you refuse to acknowledge that it is stupid, self-defeating ethnic affiliations that cause you to refuse to acknowledge the obvious?