Hussain Abbas August 16, 2007
#74 Posted by pmishra2 on August 17, 2007 11:17:15 am
Heh, heh, good article Abbas sahib !
It is a shame that indian muslims have to live amongst the infidel. And on top of it they have to suffer from discrimination and abuse. Its intolerable !!
You are so correct that the only way to go forward is for them to have a civil war with their hindu neighbors (disgusting idol worshippers!) and form their own country. This will make them educated, good citizens, prosperous and advanced. The whole region will prosper.
BTW, what is the best way of killing an infidel? Should their throats be cut while they are alive - like Daniel Pearl? Or should they be offered a chance to convert in front of witnesses and then, should they refuse, be stabbed to death. Please give this miserable polytheist some guidance about his future.
It is a shame that indian muslims have to live amongst the infidel. And on top of it they have to suffer from discrimination and abuse. Its intolerable !!
You are so correct that the only way to go forward is for them to have a civil war with their hindu neighbors (disgusting idol worshippers!) and form their own country. This will make them educated, good citizens, prosperous and advanced. The whole region will prosper.
BTW, what is the best way of killing an infidel? Should their throats be cut while they are alive - like Daniel Pearl? Or should they be offered a chance to convert in front of witnesses and then, should they refuse, be stabbed to death. Please give this miserable polytheist some guidance about his future.
#73 Posted by anil on August 17, 2007 11:16:29 am
Abbas Sahib:
Hindu right was recently thrashed in U.P. when Mayawati came to power. Electoral math of India is such that leaders of this group cannot assert too much power outside few homes and families in their neighborhoods.
Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad laid foundations of India’s modern education system. Yasser has pointed at numerous times that this Maulana was a right wing religious person.
Yes, Murli Manohar Joshi tried to change textbooks, and introduce Astrology as a subject for IITs. He did not last one full-term.
Most middle class Indians have seen the benefits of meritocracy in education. They watch. A watchdog group recently analyzed IIT entrance examination results to see if there was any bias. A population mass equal to the U.S. today aspires to send their students to study at the university level. The force of this change is building a tsunami. Right wing nuts have no chance against these forces which are creating middle class. Middle class is no longer limited to cities, but is present in small towns and villages also.
Muslim Indians, when identified as a group, are not a par with others. This group has been deprived of leadership for two previous generations, my parents generation - who actively participated in the independence movement, and my generation - I would call them as shell-shocked muslim Indians. Enough of living this in past and take the present is my advice. Community based, and faith based initiatives to start education should be seized now. Muslim Indians are capable of leading the rest of muslims elsewhere what should be the modern education for faith based initiatives.
Middle class India did that through private enterprise in education when it discovered government schools were not providing right education. There are mosques in the community with all the amenities. These are not used for most of the time during the day.
You would serve a better cause when you start an initiative and provide modern basic education to kids from the community. Raising red-herring no doubt serves a purpose, which is far miniscule compared to preparing tomorrow’s India for tomorrow’s challenges and opportunities. No one else will prepare but the community itself.
Hindu right was recently thrashed in U.P. when Mayawati came to power. Electoral math of India is such that leaders of this group cannot assert too much power outside few homes and families in their neighborhoods.
Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad laid foundations of India’s modern education system. Yasser has pointed at numerous times that this Maulana was a right wing religious person.
Yes, Murli Manohar Joshi tried to change textbooks, and introduce Astrology as a subject for IITs. He did not last one full-term.
Most middle class Indians have seen the benefits of meritocracy in education. They watch. A watchdog group recently analyzed IIT entrance examination results to see if there was any bias. A population mass equal to the U.S. today aspires to send their students to study at the university level. The force of this change is building a tsunami. Right wing nuts have no chance against these forces which are creating middle class. Middle class is no longer limited to cities, but is present in small towns and villages also.
Muslim Indians, when identified as a group, are not a par with others. This group has been deprived of leadership for two previous generations, my parents generation - who actively participated in the independence movement, and my generation - I would call them as shell-shocked muslim Indians. Enough of living this in past and take the present is my advice. Community based, and faith based initiatives to start education should be seized now. Muslim Indians are capable of leading the rest of muslims elsewhere what should be the modern education for faith based initiatives.
Middle class India did that through private enterprise in education when it discovered government schools were not providing right education. There are mosques in the community with all the amenities. These are not used for most of the time during the day.
You would serve a better cause when you start an initiative and provide modern basic education to kids from the community. Raising red-herring no doubt serves a purpose, which is far miniscule compared to preparing tomorrow’s India for tomorrow’s challenges and opportunities. No one else will prepare but the community itself.
#72 Posted by bjkumar on August 17, 2007 10:59:19 am
Besides, I was not REALLY expecting an answer from the maulana - he has made himself amply clear on that issue only about a thousand times.
I was only intrigued by this meeting of minds between the maulana and the Manto on this write-up!
Sometimes, I feel that the "great" Hindu Right is the ultimate uniter of the baagh and the bakree - especially in the land of Pakistan! :)
#71 Posted by bjkumar on August 17, 2007 10:56:27 am
#70 Bridge
[Now please get off his ass.]
Bridge, don't get too protective of HIS ass - Miss Ayesha may get upset! Pakistanis do not tolerate competition too well. :)
#70 Posted by cliftonbridge on August 17, 2007 10:52:48 am
BJ i am a little tired of the same stupid question being asked by hateful pakistani's and indians alike (you may not be hateful but the question is hateful)
Manto is shia just like the future PM of pakistan. Now please get off his ass.
Manto is shia just like the future PM of pakistan. Now please get off his ass.
#69 Posted by bjkumar on August 17, 2007 10:41:48 am
#68 Posted by chaltahai on August 17, 2007 10:38:39 am
[Pak Wolf, are you a nitwit?]
Kambakhat Chaltahai, do not hurt his feelings! What are you trying to do - getting rounded up by the PETA?
#68 Posted by chaltahai on August 17, 2007 10:38:39 am
Pak Wolf, are you a nitwit? STASI is the east german secret police. Staci is the waitress at Spearmint Rhino in Vegas.
#67 Posted by bjkumar on August 17, 2007 10:37:09 am
#66 Urstruly
Sir, while you are here, could you please enlighten the vast masses of innocent chowkies if Manto can be considered truly a Mussalman and therefore qualified to be called an equal citizen in the land of the SOUPER equals?!! Thank you.
#66 Posted by Urstruly on August 17, 2007 10:31:22 am
Re: # 61
Pakwolf:
The RSS and Mahasabha were present in 1920s, no doubt, but the ideological fermentation of Hindu fascist ideology took its root way earlier i.e. during and after the war of Independence of 1857. The Muslim defeat, as a matter of fact near decimation, at the hands of colonial aggression provided the necassary impetus to the Arya Samaaj movement which saw an opprotunity to forcefully convert the defeated Muslims into Hindusim. They are the one who started the Shudhi and Sanghtan movements which sought eithr to expel Muslims from Hindustan or to convert them by force. Luckily, the first world war started and british needed peace in their occupied colonies. I think RSS, Hindu mahasaba, and Jan sangh are all spin offs of the Arya smajh.
Pakwolf:
The RSS and Mahasabha were present in 1920s, no doubt, but the ideological fermentation of Hindu fascist ideology took its root way earlier i.e. during and after the war of Independence of 1857. The Muslim defeat, as a matter of fact near decimation, at the hands of colonial aggression provided the necassary impetus to the Arya Samaaj movement which saw an opprotunity to forcefully convert the defeated Muslims into Hindusim. They are the one who started the Shudhi and Sanghtan movements which sought eithr to expel Muslims from Hindustan or to convert them by force. Luckily, the first world war started and british needed peace in their occupied colonies. I think RSS, Hindu mahasaba, and Jan sangh are all spin offs of the Arya smajh.
#65 Posted by bjkumar on August 17, 2007 10:24:12 am
#61 Poonchh-kata-Wolf (PkWolf)
(add-on)
Try not to look for RSS, etc. under every bed! You might find a bunch of those people under the sheets with your significant other! :)
#64 Posted by bjkumar on August 17, 2007 10:16:12 am
#61 Poonchh-kata-Wolf (PkWolf)
Abey chowk-tawaif ki nazaiz aulad! Tu ssaala chowk ka paida kiya hua harrami hai! Like most chowk “writers” you have no clue about writing. You could not write sense if your saala jihadi-ass-kissing mouth depended on it!
That is why, ssaalaa, in seven whole years you can only excrete TWO write ups – including the present – your current pathetic specimen!
I am sorry you had to exert so much that all your crap came out in form of those lousy two pages! You must have worked REALLY hard! Hey, it is hard work for Pakistanis – ANY work is hard work for that country – they are so much better at running that mouth!
Keep trying betta – someday you may be able to put two meaningful words together!
And some day you may even develop a bit of courage to tell the real truth about all the nefarious acts of inciting and promoting terrorism that the crappy land of the Pure (sshiitt) has been dishing out to the whole world.
Hey, even dumb, dumb dogs can occasionally develop courage – at least for a minute or two! :)
So there is always hope for you.
EVEN you!
#63 Posted by pakwolf on August 17, 2007 10:03:40 am
Re: # 3
Harish,
The head of East German intelligence agency, "STACI did say that the first brick was taken out of the Berlin wall when Pakistan with American aid started the Afghan-Soviet war.
It’s on public record and since you claim to be an educated man look it up or do I have to help you their too. Since inventing false Hindu histories is easier then exploring the factual truth.
Harish,
The head of East German intelligence agency, "STACI did say that the first brick was taken out of the Berlin wall when Pakistan with American aid started the Afghan-Soviet war.
It’s on public record and since you claim to be an educated man look it up or do I have to help you their too. Since inventing false Hindu histories is easier then exploring the factual truth.
#62 Posted by cliftonbridge on August 17, 2007 9:56:07 am
awww..arjun is trying to be more hinduvta than the hinduvtas ...arjun churches are burned when good men say yes master to a bad master.
#61 Posted by pakwolf on August 17, 2007 9:49:47 am
Re: # 33
BjKumar: It seems to me that I have hit a raw nerve in you. Are you a closet hate monger yourself and are reluctant to come forward for the sake of civility?
When I wrote this article I knew the response will same as yours simply because truth hurts. If chowk is such a miss-guided forum what are you doing here? Don't you have a RSS "Shakha" to run or better yet have tea with Praveen Togadia and discuss the good old days of Vedic civilization.
The phenomena of hate was around in the 1920's in the form of RSS and Hindu Mahasabha followers they shed enough blood in 1947 riots and like a virus it went dormant to rise again under the virulent guidance of BJB's fascist agenda of eliminating whatever is left of Muslim economic and power structure and drive them to a point where they become docile enough to accept any historical untruth as the ultimate truth as is accepted by not only the illiterate Hindus of India but also the hater mongering pusedo-intellecual Hindus also.
ISI and RAW cannot be blamed for every ill of each other’s country. Intelligence agencies cannot formant hate unless there is injustice committed by the local government in this case BJP and its Saffron brigade has done enough to choose its own poison.
BjKumar: It seems to me that I have hit a raw nerve in you. Are you a closet hate monger yourself and are reluctant to come forward for the sake of civility?
When I wrote this article I knew the response will same as yours simply because truth hurts. If chowk is such a miss-guided forum what are you doing here? Don't you have a RSS "Shakha" to run or better yet have tea with Praveen Togadia and discuss the good old days of Vedic civilization.
The phenomena of hate was around in the 1920's in the form of RSS and Hindu Mahasabha followers they shed enough blood in 1947 riots and like a virus it went dormant to rise again under the virulent guidance of BJB's fascist agenda of eliminating whatever is left of Muslim economic and power structure and drive them to a point where they become docile enough to accept any historical untruth as the ultimate truth as is accepted by not only the illiterate Hindus of India but also the hater mongering pusedo-intellecual Hindus also.
ISI and RAW cannot be blamed for every ill of each other’s country. Intelligence agencies cannot formant hate unless there is injustice committed by the local government in this case BJP and its Saffron brigade has done enough to choose its own poison.
#60 Posted by arjun2 on August 17, 2007 9:47:02 am
aww..manto is here, trying to prove his anti-indian credentials to the pakis in the hopes that they'll treat his ahmedi rear as muslim..
#59 Posted by MantoLives on August 17, 2007 9:41:22 am
Excellent article Hussain sb. You've lit quite the fire in the lalas' dhotis.
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