William Dalrymple August 17, 2007
#132 Posted by arjun2 on August 17, 2007 5:45:01 pm
pakis: tell me something..are ya'all stupid or is it that he think you are stupid? maybe he thinks he can say anything he wants because you can't do anything about it...?
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007/08/18/story_18-8- 2007_pg1_1
Pakistan needs me: Musharraf
President says war on terrorism not being fought under foreign pressure
mmmmkay....
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007/08/18/story_18-8- 2007_pg1_1
Pakistan needs me: Musharraf
President says war on terrorism not being fought under foreign pressure
mmmmkay....
#131 Posted by arjun2 on August 17, 2007 5:32:01 pm
#125 Posted by HisExcellency on August 17, 2007 4:25:52 pm
Many whites turned out in great numbers to show their solidarity
They were probably undercover anti-terrorist MI5 operatives...what better place to monitor terrorists than a parade for jihadis'r'us?
Many whites turned out in great numbers to show their solidarity
They were probably undercover anti-terrorist MI5 operatives...what better place to monitor terrorists than a parade for jihadis'r'us?
#130 Posted by Cobra on August 17, 2007 5:27:16 pm
Anil Bhai,
[Sometimes my RSS upbring show through :)]That was in jest yaar. Trying to pull your legs. Don't take it seriously.
[Sometimes my RSS upbring show through :)]That was in jest yaar. Trying to pull your legs. Don't take it seriously.
#129 Posted by arjun2 on August 17, 2007 5:20:01 pm
#120 Posted by Cobra on August 17, 2007 2:51:12 pm
Petroleum reserves are in Central Asia and Siberia.
yes..but what cartographically challenged pakis don't know is that the reserves are not in a place where they can be easily piped through the land of the pure..
Petroleum reserves are in Central Asia and Siberia.
yes..but what cartographically challenged pakis don't know is that the reserves are not in a place where they can be easily piped through the land of the pure..
#128 Posted by anil on August 17, 2007 5:00:22 pm
Re: # 124
Cobra sahib:
Get lost is what comes to my mind.
If Akhand Bharat is all that you can think, your figment of imagination is very stale. Your sense of smell is all dead, and therefore, I cannot even say smell the coffee.
The world has moved way beyond your thinking.
Cobra sahib:
Get lost is what comes to my mind.
If Akhand Bharat is all that you can think, your figment of imagination is very stale. Your sense of smell is all dead, and therefore, I cannot even say smell the coffee.
The world has moved way beyond your thinking.
#127 Posted by echoboom on August 17, 2007 4:59:44 pm
Bulleya:116
You excitement, your optimism almost a pollyana seems contagious...and dangerously so.
While admiring the creative streak in you, please remember that the Pre-1857, pre-1757, ANDS pre-1657 little by little everything was being outsourced to the company...and the company had guns & ammunition & technology to enforce its "writ" all over the land.
If one cannot defend oneself, outsourcing is the first step towards leaving the palace affairs to the servants..litlle by little servants start dictating when, why, & where the Master spends his days.
In fact allowing the chowkidaaars, the cantonment Kuttaas, to manage our affairs is one key reason for our decline. Sometimes "OUT"-sourcing is done "inside" also.
THre is an old classic "The Servant" with Dirk Bogard..excellent movie by all counts..and there is a lesson in it for all..though it is addressed to the British aristocracy as to why the empire fell ( very subtly..no empire scenes there..it is NOT a historical movie)
You excitement, your optimism almost a pollyana seems contagious...and dangerously so.
While admiring the creative streak in you, please remember that the Pre-1857, pre-1757, ANDS pre-1657 little by little everything was being outsourced to the company...and the company had guns & ammunition & technology to enforce its "writ" all over the land.
If one cannot defend oneself, outsourcing is the first step towards leaving the palace affairs to the servants..litlle by little servants start dictating when, why, & where the Master spends his days.
In fact allowing the chowkidaaars, the cantonment Kuttaas, to manage our affairs is one key reason for our decline. Sometimes "OUT"-sourcing is done "inside" also.
THre is an old classic "The Servant" with Dirk Bogard..excellent movie by all counts..and there is a lesson in it for all..though it is addressed to the British aristocracy as to why the empire fell ( very subtly..no empire scenes there..it is NOT a historical movie)
#126 Posted by tahmed32 on August 17, 2007 4:42:22 pm
Rafia #108: "Pakistan is a beautiful country;with resilient and talented people." Yes indeed. And these people make up for the poor government. And like you, I too know that Pakistan will keep moving forward.
Pardesi #104: It is not mere glitter, rest assured. And on education, one significant point the writer missed is non-government schools. NGO and other private schools have flourished in Pakistan through private efforts. In fact, the big change in Pakistan over the past 20 years is that even in the remotest parts of Pakistan people have become aware of the importance of education. So, it is not mere glitter in Pakistan.
Pardesi #104: It is not mere glitter, rest assured. And on education, one significant point the writer missed is non-government schools. NGO and other private schools have flourished in Pakistan through private efforts. In fact, the big change in Pakistan over the past 20 years is that even in the remotest parts of Pakistan people have become aware of the importance of education. So, it is not mere glitter in Pakistan.
#125 Posted by HisExcellency on August 17, 2007 4:25:52 pm
{{Amid all the hoopla surrounding the 60th anniversary of Indian independence, almost nothing has been heard from Pakistan, which turns 60 today}}
Bill, no offense but that is plain stupid!
There was actually a grand Pakistan Day parade in London followed by a well-attended concert in which several Pakistani musicians including Ali Zafar, Najam Shiraz and Hadiqa Kiyani mesmerized audiences with patriotic and pop numbers. There were of course celebrations across Pakistan, but this London celebration was all the more epochal because this is where British citizens of Pakistani descent blew up the underground in July 2005. Many whites turned out in great numbers to show their solidarity with the real Pakistan. The entire ceremony was televised live on Geo TV.
Next time, please take your blinkers off before writing gibberish like this.
Bill, no offense but that is plain stupid!
There was actually a grand Pakistan Day parade in London followed by a well-attended concert in which several Pakistani musicians including Ali Zafar, Najam Shiraz and Hadiqa Kiyani mesmerized audiences with patriotic and pop numbers. There were of course celebrations across Pakistan, but this London celebration was all the more epochal because this is where British citizens of Pakistani descent blew up the underground in July 2005. Many whites turned out in great numbers to show their solidarity with the real Pakistan. The entire ceremony was televised live on Geo TV.
Next time, please take your blinkers off before writing gibberish like this.
#124 Posted by Cobra on August 17, 2007 3:42:30 pm
#123,
"I do believe decline of nation-state in favor of regional economic blocks. "
Are you harboring the dreams of Akhand Bharat under the guise ;)
"I do believe decline of nation-state in favor of regional economic blocks. "
Are you harboring the dreams of Akhand Bharat under the guise ;)
#123 Posted by anil on August 17, 2007 3:37:49 pm
Re: # 116
Romair:
You must present this blueprint to Prime Minister's Office in Islamabad. Even Arjun could only find issues with #4, something that may no longer an issue after such an integration of economies take place. This will require radical thinking in terms of economy in Islamabad. Even though historically, that part of South Asia played similar roles - food bowl, cross roads and military resource.
You can quantify each of the points in terms of contribution to GDP. I do believe decline of nation-state in favor of regional economic blocks.
Romair:
You must present this blueprint to Prime Minister's Office in Islamabad. Even Arjun could only find issues with #4, something that may no longer an issue after such an integration of economies take place. This will require radical thinking in terms of economy in Islamabad. Even though historically, that part of South Asia played similar roles - food bowl, cross roads and military resource.
You can quantify each of the points in terms of contribution to GDP. I do believe decline of nation-state in favor of regional economic blocks.
#122 Posted by DrDr on August 17, 2007 3:32:59 pm
haha arjun what happened 2 u - r u chikin - go ahead name this other country - dont mind zina
btw did u c the front page story in nyt a few months back abt this woman who refuses 2 sell her house & there is development all around her & shes counting on the publicity 2 keep the governments paws off her - this was china in case u r wondering
i hear injun pols can do whatever they want - y not the gummit
does the 'poor' neighbor here refer 2 inja
btw did u c the front page story in nyt a few months back abt this woman who refuses 2 sell her house & there is development all around her & shes counting on the publicity 2 keep the governments paws off her - this was china in case u r wondering
i hear injun pols can do whatever they want - y not the gummit
does the 'poor' neighbor here refer 2 inja
#121 Posted by anil on August 17, 2007 3:26:42 pm
Re # 98
Cobra:
These are outlandish, and certainly out of the box at the very least.
Separation of power is a big problem, military keeps coming in civilian pants or whatever else.
Punjabi muslims and Pathans have a highly respected martial history, and probably get restless if their fighting machinery is not well oiled and frequently exercised.
Cobra:
These are outlandish, and certainly out of the box at the very least.
Separation of power is a big problem, military keeps coming in civilian pants or whatever else.
Punjabi muslims and Pathans have a highly respected martial history, and probably get restless if their fighting machinery is not well oiled and frequently exercised.
#120 Posted by Cobra on August 17, 2007 2:51:12 pm
Arjun,
Petroleum reserves are in Central Asia and Siberia. If not from Afghanistan they can come through Iran.
Petroleum reserves are in Central Asia and Siberia. If not from Afghanistan they can come through Iran.
#119 Posted by arjun2 on August 17, 2007 2:39:27 pm
#116 Posted by bulleya on August 17, 2007 2:24:08 pm
4. give india access to the pipeline network through pakistan to iran and central asia
Captain clueless...I know pakis are cartographically challenged but even you should be able to pull up a resource map of central asia to see where the real reserves of gas are and how far those areas are from the land of the pure..
there's also this other pesky problem of a sovereign country of afghanistan..now that your buddies the talibunnies don't control afghanistan, aren't you presuming they'll look favorably to the land of the pure sending islamic terrorists into their country...
4. give india access to the pipeline network through pakistan to iran and central asia
Captain clueless...I know pakis are cartographically challenged but even you should be able to pull up a resource map of central asia to see where the real reserves of gas are and how far those areas are from the land of the pure..
there's also this other pesky problem of a sovereign country of afghanistan..now that your buddies the talibunnies don't control afghanistan, aren't you presuming they'll look favorably to the land of the pure sending islamic terrorists into their country...
#118 Posted by arjun2 on August 17, 2007 2:36:10 pm
#109 Posted by ajeya on August 17, 2007 1:52:53 pm
India has the money and the resources to build new airports, get rid of slums like Dharavi, and improve visible signs of prosperity.
India has more than enough money. There are some things a democracy can and can't do. Let me give you an example. The mumbai municipality wanted to widen the the road opposite my grandparents lane in a central part of bombay. Everybody else took the buyout offer for the land for the road widening. One chawl held out for more than 7 years. The government doesn't have the right of eminent domain like it does here. The chawl residents were promised flats in the new buildings but they didn't want to deal with the higher monthly upkeep costs. In China, 2 people from the chawl's "samiti" would have been shot and the road work would start the next day. Such things are not possible in India.
Unlike China, India can't pass a law preventing people from outside bombay coming into bombay to make a living. With land costs being what they are, the migrants have no choice but to live in dharavi.
India has good reason to be proud of the educational system and now the increasingly entrepreneurial culture that's an integral part of Indian society. Now there are people(and they know who they are) who will tell you that an educational system is no big deal but as the experience of other countries in the neighborhood shows, you can't build an educational system overnight and go from madrassahs to IITs. The other countries even tried to come up with a program to fill the phd gap with India..chalk that up to neighbor's envy...that, of course, didn't go so well...
This other country: In 1998, I heard an inteview by one of it's minister's mocking the ambassador car he saw in India. Less than 10 years since, India makes and exports cars and Chennai is a major automobile hub...Now this other country: it just assembles CKD and SKD kits..oh..it also has an indigenous car called the maybe..as in maybe it's a car maybe it's a golf cart...
India has the money and the resources to build new airports, get rid of slums like Dharavi, and improve visible signs of prosperity.
India has more than enough money. There are some things a democracy can and can't do. Let me give you an example. The mumbai municipality wanted to widen the the road opposite my grandparents lane in a central part of bombay. Everybody else took the buyout offer for the land for the road widening. One chawl held out for more than 7 years. The government doesn't have the right of eminent domain like it does here. The chawl residents were promised flats in the new buildings but they didn't want to deal with the higher monthly upkeep costs. In China, 2 people from the chawl's "samiti" would have been shot and the road work would start the next day. Such things are not possible in India.
Unlike China, India can't pass a law preventing people from outside bombay coming into bombay to make a living. With land costs being what they are, the migrants have no choice but to live in dharavi.
India has good reason to be proud of the educational system and now the increasingly entrepreneurial culture that's an integral part of Indian society. Now there are people(and they know who they are) who will tell you that an educational system is no big deal but as the experience of other countries in the neighborhood shows, you can't build an educational system overnight and go from madrassahs to IITs. The other countries even tried to come up with a program to fill the phd gap with India..chalk that up to neighbor's envy...that, of course, didn't go so well...
This other country: In 1998, I heard an inteview by one of it's minister's mocking the ambassador car he saw in India. Less than 10 years since, India makes and exports cars and Chennai is a major automobile hub...Now this other country: it just assembles CKD and SKD kits..oh..it also has an indigenous car called the maybe..as in maybe it's a car maybe it's a golf cart...
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