The 'poor' Neighbour
William Dalrymple August 17, 2007
#17 Posted by dawa-i-dil on August 17, 2007 5:04:48 am
zeemax...
its off topic..but i urgently need that...
i want to paste some pics of "shining mumbai" on www.alldost.com
can you tell me the way..how you pasted it on chowk..forum..in unplugged...
thanks
its off topic..but i urgently need that...
i want to paste some pics of "shining mumbai" on www.alldost.com
can you tell me the way..how you pasted it on chowk..forum..in unplugged...
thanks
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#18 Posted by zeemax on August 17, 2007 5:13:52 am
#17 Posted by dawa-i-dil,
LoL ... you're being naughty ... :)
Go to:
http://www.webmonkey.com/webmonkey/reference/html_cheatsheet/
... and follow the instructions :)
LoL ... you're being naughty ... :)
Go to:
http://www.webmonkey.com/webmonkey/reference/html_cheatsheet/
... and follow the instructions :)
#19 Posted by arjun2 on August 17, 2007 5:25:45 am
But in Pakistan, the literacy figure is under half (it is currently 49%) and falling: instead of investing in education, Musharraf's military government is spending money on a cripplingly expensive fleet of American F-16s for its air force.
Seeing as how the pakis don't have the testicular fortitude to attack India, the F-16s are going to be used to bomb and kill the uneducated jihadis...
If they kill a whole lot of uneducated jihadis, the literacy rate will increase...
#20 Posted by arjun2 on August 17, 2007 5:27:33 am
#9 Posted by majumdar on August 17, 2007 3:14:55 am
TFT nuggets from this week's issue..
Maulvi arrested for making explicit movies
As reported in daily Jang, the khatib of a mosque, Maulana Safdar Ali, who also practiced hikmat (traditional medical practice) had illicit relations with village women and installed a hidden video camera in his bedroom to make nude films on CDs. When a young fellow, Nasir, borrowed a CD from the maulvi’s brother and saw the movies, he called the whole village and showed them the films. Safdar Ali shaved his beard and was trying to escape, when the police arrested him and sent him to Sargodha jail.
RAW responsible for suicide attacks
As reported in Daily Pakistan, provincial law minister Malik Zafar Azam said in Karak that the army came to NWFP without the consent of the provincial government. He said that the law and order situation is deteriorating because of the wrong foreign policy of the federal government. He said that RAW is responsible for suicide attacks in the province.
Ekta Kapoor is responsible
In daily Express, columnist Saad ullah Jan Barq wrote that Ekta Kapoor is responsible for the long plays that don’t end especially, Kyun Keh Saas Bhi Kabhi Bahu Thi. A serial is being aired from Dubai called, Kyun keh jalawatan bhi kabhi wazir e azam tha. From Waziristan a serial is on air, Kyun keh dhahshatgard bhi kabhi mujahid tha. Now Islamabad is playing, Kyun keh jaj bhi kabhi wakeel tha. These serials are being launched by a person called Mahakta kafur (fragrant camphor).
Woman can't be head of a Muslim state
As reported in daily Jang, after the meeting of Pervez Musharraf and Benazir Bhutto, the ulema have again started saying that women are not entitled to be heads of state according to Islam. Secretary General of Wafaqul Madaris, Qari Hanif Jalandhri, said that Islam doesn’t allow a woman to be head of state. The majority of ulema agreed that women can’t be made Qazis or imams of a mosque, so there is no question of a woman head of state according to Islam.
Shahbaz Sharif studying British transport system
In daily Express, Javed Chaudhry wrote that he went to Edgware Road for lunch with Shahbaz Sharif on a bus. The bus was comfortable and clean. He asked Shahbaz Sharif, “Can’t we start this bus service in Pakistan?” Sharif replied, painfully, that if October 12 hadn’t happened, we would have seen these buses in Pakistan. He said that he is studying this system to establish it in the major cities of Pakistan.
Weeping parents of Jamia Hafsa
In daily Express, columnist Saad ullah Jan Barq wrote that a new production by Kala Ji Lala Ji (aka Bush and Bush) is being aired from Islamabad. The main dialogue is, “Bachay aur bachion ki zindagi bachanee chahiye” (we must save the lives of children). What insect bit the parents of these bachon aur bachion that they didn’t pull their children out when the situation was getting worse in Islamabad? The parents that are weeping on the roads prided themselves earlier on their girls are having religious education in Islamabad. The truth is that these parents were more interested to book a flat in heaven with the lives of their children.
Dealers of opposition
As reported in daily Nawa-e-Waqt, the PPP leader Babar Awan said that during the last six years all the opposition leaders who had made LFO deals, uniform deals and Jeddah deals had now gathered in one truck. He said that he hopes that Javed Hashmi would say his juma prayers in his own mohalla and Shahbaz Sharif would be happy that his lawyer is now Attorney General of Pakistan. He said that the leaders of Jamaat e Islami and dealer league should explain how many weeks they spent in jail for democracy.
Mosque burnt in England
As reported in daily Express, miscreants burnt a mosque in Bradford, according to a private TV channel. The mosque is situated in an area where the worst of the anti Muslim riots happened five years ago.
Media bias against the PPP
In daily Express, columnist Abbas Athar wrote that Benazir Bhutto told him once that Shaheed Bhutto, herself and the PPP are products of the people and not the media. The PPP still has the same attitude with the media. During the recent All Parties Conference in London, he saw that all the print media and electronic media journalists were impatient for the PPP to be discarded from the opposition.
Parents responsible for extremism in England
As reported in daily Express, member of the British House of Lords, Lord Nazir Ahmad, said that the rise of extremism in England is due to the lack of education. He said that during the Mughal period Britain was establishing universities while the Mughals were building Shahi mohallas (prostitute bazaars) in the Subcontinent. He said illiterate immigrants came to Britain, while professional immigrants went to America. He said that there are 8,700 Muslims in British jails, which is 11 percent of the total number of prisoners. He said the parents are responsible for the bad character of youth in Britain.
Makhdoom Javed Hashmi vs Makhdoom Shah Mehmood
As reported in daily Jang, ex Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto decided to field Shah Mehmood Qureshi from Multan NA 148 against Javed Hashmi. The decision was taken in a parliamentary board meeting in London. They have faced each other three times. Shah Mehmood won in 1993 and 2002 while Hashmi won only once in 1997.
Saudi Arabia was guarantor of Nawaz Sharif
As reported in daily Nawa-e-Waqt, the provincial head of a secret agency said during the dinner by British Member of Parliament Chaudhry Sarwar that if the court allowed Nawaz Sharif and Shahbaz Sharif to return to Pakistan they would not be returned from the airport but would be allowed to go to Raiwind. He said that Saudi Arabia gave a guarantee to keep the Sharif family out of the country for ten years, and they would ask them to return to Saudi Arabia.
Muslims are following Jewish culture
As reported in Daily Pakistan, the amir of Jamaat ahl Hadees Hafiz Abdul Ghaffar Ropari said that it’s a shame that Muslims have left the teachings of Islam and are following the Jewish culture. The new generation instead of saying “Asalam-e-Alaikum” are using “hello” and “hi.” He said all ulema should unite to fight the rulers who are backing Jews.
American conspiracy to arm Arab states
As reported in Daily Pakistan, Hassan Nasrullah, the head of the armed militia Hezbullah, said that it’s an American conspiracy to supply arms to the Middle East and Arab countries. He said America wants civil war by supplying arms to Arab countries. America has planned to provide arms worth US$ 20 billion to Saudi Arabia and has promised to increase military support to Israel.
Dacoit Imam masjid caught in Gujranwala
As reported in daily Khabrain, in Gujranwala an Imam masjid, Hafiz Abu Bakr, of a mosque on Nowshehra road was caught for dacoities on rented motorcycles. Police recovered six mobile phones that were snatched from people. He got Rs 2,000 for leading prayers but started robbing people on rented motorcycles.
Mustafa Khar to join Imran Khan
As reported in daily Khabrain, ex governor of Punjab Ghulam Mustafa Khar will join the Tehreek e Insaf. Mustafa Khar was issuing statements against the meeting of Benazir Bhutto and Pervez Musharraf. He is expected to meet Imran Khan of the Tehreek e Insaf, where he might announce his joining the party.
Saudis and Kuwaitis donate 24 million
As reported in daily Nawa-e-Waqt, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait have donated 24 million pounds for the renovation of the oldest mosque in Liverpool in England. The name of the builder of this mosque was William. He accepted Islam after he travelled to Morocco and Algeria for two years. His Muslim name was Sheikh Abdul Kalyam.
Pakistan on the verge of destruction
As reported in daily Nawa-e-Waqt, quoting from The Guardian, Pakistan is on the verge of destruction and Pervez Musharraf has exhausted all options. Musharraf’s meeting with Benazir Bhutto is the last hope. The newspaper wrote that the Quaid-e-Azam created Pakistan so that Muslims could live in peace, but the country is now on the brink of destruction. Islamabad has no control in the tribal areas, and Al Qaeda leaders are openly threatening to kill Musharraf.
TFT nuggets from this week's issue..
Maulvi arrested for making explicit movies
As reported in daily Jang, the khatib of a mosque, Maulana Safdar Ali, who also practiced hikmat (traditional medical practice) had illicit relations with village women and installed a hidden video camera in his bedroom to make nude films on CDs. When a young fellow, Nasir, borrowed a CD from the maulvi’s brother and saw the movies, he called the whole village and showed them the films. Safdar Ali shaved his beard and was trying to escape, when the police arrested him and sent him to Sargodha jail.
RAW responsible for suicide attacks
As reported in Daily Pakistan, provincial law minister Malik Zafar Azam said in Karak that the army came to NWFP without the consent of the provincial government. He said that the law and order situation is deteriorating because of the wrong foreign policy of the federal government. He said that RAW is responsible for suicide attacks in the province.
Ekta Kapoor is responsible
In daily Express, columnist Saad ullah Jan Barq wrote that Ekta Kapoor is responsible for the long plays that don’t end especially, Kyun Keh Saas Bhi Kabhi Bahu Thi. A serial is being aired from Dubai called, Kyun keh jalawatan bhi kabhi wazir e azam tha. From Waziristan a serial is on air, Kyun keh dhahshatgard bhi kabhi mujahid tha. Now Islamabad is playing, Kyun keh jaj bhi kabhi wakeel tha. These serials are being launched by a person called Mahakta kafur (fragrant camphor).
Woman can't be head of a Muslim state
As reported in daily Jang, after the meeting of Pervez Musharraf and Benazir Bhutto, the ulema have again started saying that women are not entitled to be heads of state according to Islam. Secretary General of Wafaqul Madaris, Qari Hanif Jalandhri, said that Islam doesn’t allow a woman to be head of state. The majority of ulema agreed that women can’t be made Qazis or imams of a mosque, so there is no question of a woman head of state according to Islam.
Shahbaz Sharif studying British transport system
In daily Express, Javed Chaudhry wrote that he went to Edgware Road for lunch with Shahbaz Sharif on a bus. The bus was comfortable and clean. He asked Shahbaz Sharif, “Can’t we start this bus service in Pakistan?” Sharif replied, painfully, that if October 12 hadn’t happened, we would have seen these buses in Pakistan. He said that he is studying this system to establish it in the major cities of Pakistan.
Weeping parents of Jamia Hafsa
In daily Express, columnist Saad ullah Jan Barq wrote that a new production by Kala Ji Lala Ji (aka Bush and Bush) is being aired from Islamabad. The main dialogue is, “Bachay aur bachion ki zindagi bachanee chahiye” (we must save the lives of children). What insect bit the parents of these bachon aur bachion that they didn’t pull their children out when the situation was getting worse in Islamabad? The parents that are weeping on the roads prided themselves earlier on their girls are having religious education in Islamabad. The truth is that these parents were more interested to book a flat in heaven with the lives of their children.
Dealers of opposition
As reported in daily Nawa-e-Waqt, the PPP leader Babar Awan said that during the last six years all the opposition leaders who had made LFO deals, uniform deals and Jeddah deals had now gathered in one truck. He said that he hopes that Javed Hashmi would say his juma prayers in his own mohalla and Shahbaz Sharif would be happy that his lawyer is now Attorney General of Pakistan. He said that the leaders of Jamaat e Islami and dealer league should explain how many weeks they spent in jail for democracy.
Mosque burnt in England
As reported in daily Express, miscreants burnt a mosque in Bradford, according to a private TV channel. The mosque is situated in an area where the worst of the anti Muslim riots happened five years ago.
Media bias against the PPP
In daily Express, columnist Abbas Athar wrote that Benazir Bhutto told him once that Shaheed Bhutto, herself and the PPP are products of the people and not the media. The PPP still has the same attitude with the media. During the recent All Parties Conference in London, he saw that all the print media and electronic media journalists were impatient for the PPP to be discarded from the opposition.
Parents responsible for extremism in England
As reported in daily Express, member of the British House of Lords, Lord Nazir Ahmad, said that the rise of extremism in England is due to the lack of education. He said that during the Mughal period Britain was establishing universities while the Mughals were building Shahi mohallas (prostitute bazaars) in the Subcontinent. He said illiterate immigrants came to Britain, while professional immigrants went to America. He said that there are 8,700 Muslims in British jails, which is 11 percent of the total number of prisoners. He said the parents are responsible for the bad character of youth in Britain.
Makhdoom Javed Hashmi vs Makhdoom Shah Mehmood
As reported in daily Jang, ex Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto decided to field Shah Mehmood Qureshi from Multan NA 148 against Javed Hashmi. The decision was taken in a parliamentary board meeting in London. They have faced each other three times. Shah Mehmood won in 1993 and 2002 while Hashmi won only once in 1997.
Saudi Arabia was guarantor of Nawaz Sharif
As reported in daily Nawa-e-Waqt, the provincial head of a secret agency said during the dinner by British Member of Parliament Chaudhry Sarwar that if the court allowed Nawaz Sharif and Shahbaz Sharif to return to Pakistan they would not be returned from the airport but would be allowed to go to Raiwind. He said that Saudi Arabia gave a guarantee to keep the Sharif family out of the country for ten years, and they would ask them to return to Saudi Arabia.
Muslims are following Jewish culture
As reported in Daily Pakistan, the amir of Jamaat ahl Hadees Hafiz Abdul Ghaffar Ropari said that it’s a shame that Muslims have left the teachings of Islam and are following the Jewish culture. The new generation instead of saying “Asalam-e-Alaikum” are using “hello” and “hi.” He said all ulema should unite to fight the rulers who are backing Jews.
American conspiracy to arm Arab states
As reported in Daily Pakistan, Hassan Nasrullah, the head of the armed militia Hezbullah, said that it’s an American conspiracy to supply arms to the Middle East and Arab countries. He said America wants civil war by supplying arms to Arab countries. America has planned to provide arms worth US$ 20 billion to Saudi Arabia and has promised to increase military support to Israel.
Dacoit Imam masjid caught in Gujranwala
As reported in daily Khabrain, in Gujranwala an Imam masjid, Hafiz Abu Bakr, of a mosque on Nowshehra road was caught for dacoities on rented motorcycles. Police recovered six mobile phones that were snatched from people. He got Rs 2,000 for leading prayers but started robbing people on rented motorcycles.
Mustafa Khar to join Imran Khan
As reported in daily Khabrain, ex governor of Punjab Ghulam Mustafa Khar will join the Tehreek e Insaf. Mustafa Khar was issuing statements against the meeting of Benazir Bhutto and Pervez Musharraf. He is expected to meet Imran Khan of the Tehreek e Insaf, where he might announce his joining the party.
Saudis and Kuwaitis donate 24 million
As reported in daily Nawa-e-Waqt, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait have donated 24 million pounds for the renovation of the oldest mosque in Liverpool in England. The name of the builder of this mosque was William. He accepted Islam after he travelled to Morocco and Algeria for two years. His Muslim name was Sheikh Abdul Kalyam.
Pakistan on the verge of destruction
As reported in daily Nawa-e-Waqt, quoting from The Guardian, Pakistan is on the verge of destruction and Pervez Musharraf has exhausted all options. Musharraf’s meeting with Benazir Bhutto is the last hope. The newspaper wrote that the Quaid-e-Azam created Pakistan so that Muslims could live in peace, but the country is now on the brink of destruction. Islamabad has no control in the tribal areas, and Al Qaeda leaders are openly threatening to kill Musharraf.
#21 Posted by jang on August 17, 2007 5:28:56 am
before anyone notices...wtf? its dalrymple on chowk? is he going to interact?
#22 Posted by arjun2 on August 17, 2007 5:31:19 am
boom similar to India's, with growth rates of 7%, and what is currently the fastest-rising stock market in Asia.
India has had 3 years of 9%+ growth..Pakiland around 7%. Pakiland's inflation is much much higher than India's...
Pakiland's stock market is an echo chamber of self-delusion...not one company listed there can hold it's own in the world..no tata, infosys,reliance or wipro...a half-dozen stocks can move the markets thousands of points..
William Dalrymple is clearly not an economist...he writes fantastic articles on the rise of islamofascism in the UK..he should stick to that..
#23 Posted by bulleya on August 17, 2007 5:32:05 am
william dalrymple, in my opinion, is the premiere living scholar of south asian history......the guy is an amazing writer.......and a must read for all south asians, who want to know about themselves and their history......i have all his works and have gone through them.....simply excellent!
.......unfortunately, i get the feeling he won't be interacting on this site.......in any case, his comments should be taken very seriously......
i generally tend to agree with what he has written....a concise, accurate and unbiased analyses.......he knows (the history of) south asia, better than all of us.....
pakistan is truly at a corss-roads today......i am seeing it myself, as i get a chance to meet with some of the decision-makers in various areas......banks, telecoms and real estates are booming at international levels.....not only in wealth creation, but also in technical advances....the boom in media is in front of everyone to see.....
yet the judiciary and the political institutions are destroyed.....the army is into so many business areas, it isn't even funny....i didn't realize the extent of this, until i started working with some of these companies.....the average lt. gen. in pakistan, heads business conglomorates, which make him one of the biggest business decision makers in the country.......
dalrymple's comments on infrastructure differences between india and pakistan are correct......i was surprised to see how much better pakistan's major cities are, in comparison, to india's bigger cities in infrastructure.....
......the biggest difference, however, between india and pakistan, today, is in terms of attitude......indians are very positive at the moment (in my opinion, overly so, but still positive).....pakistanis are cynical and unsure......one feels their country is moving up, the other is not sure whether their's is on the verge of moving up or moving down......
.......unfortunately, i get the feeling he won't be interacting on this site.......in any case, his comments should be taken very seriously......
i generally tend to agree with what he has written....a concise, accurate and unbiased analyses.......he knows (the history of) south asia, better than all of us.....
pakistan is truly at a corss-roads today......i am seeing it myself, as i get a chance to meet with some of the decision-makers in various areas......banks, telecoms and real estates are booming at international levels.....not only in wealth creation, but also in technical advances....the boom in media is in front of everyone to see.....
yet the judiciary and the political institutions are destroyed.....the army is into so many business areas, it isn't even funny....i didn't realize the extent of this, until i started working with some of these companies.....the average lt. gen. in pakistan, heads business conglomorates, which make him one of the biggest business decision makers in the country.......
dalrymple's comments on infrastructure differences between india and pakistan are correct......i was surprised to see how much better pakistan's major cities are, in comparison, to india's bigger cities in infrastructure.....
......the biggest difference, however, between india and pakistan, today, is in terms of attitude......indians are very positive at the moment (in my opinion, overly so, but still positive).....pakistanis are cynical and unsure......one feels their country is moving up, the other is not sure whether their's is on the verge of moving up or moving down......
#24 Posted by harish_hyd on August 17, 2007 5:35:35 am
#20 by arjun2
Do us a favor. Reproduce the Nuggets from TFT every week on your i-log or UP. It is very entertaining!
Do us a favor. Reproduce the Nuggets from TFT every week on your i-log or UP. It is very entertaining!
#25 Posted by ahmedmadani on August 17, 2007 5:38:17 am
Re: # 16
Let year have 1000 days and Pakistan will live 1000 years should be our attitude.
Miserable comments by defeatist and dog mentality people. Shame on them.
Let year have 1000 days and Pakistan will live 1000 years should be our attitude.
Miserable comments by defeatist and dog mentality people. Shame on them.
#26 Posted by ahmedmadani on August 17, 2007 5:42:21 am
Re: # 23
Excellent coomet by Mr.Romair.
The last paragraph sums it best way.
"......the biggest difference, however, between india and pakistan, today, is in terms of attitude......indians are very positive at the moment (in my opinion, overly so, but still positive).....pakistanis are cynical and unsure......one feels their country is moving up, the other is not sure whether their's is on the verge of moving up or moving down...... "
I will add that delusions and imagination are more powerful than truth.
Excellent coomet by Mr.Romair.
The last paragraph sums it best way.
"......the biggest difference, however, between india and pakistan, today, is in terms of attitude......indians are very positive at the moment (in my opinion, overly so, but still positive).....pakistanis are cynical and unsure......one feels their country is moving up, the other is not sure whether their's is on the verge of moving up or moving down...... "
I will add that delusions and imagination are more powerful than truth.
#27 Posted by majumdar on August 17, 2007 5:42:47 am
Thanks Arjun bhai. Do repeat every Friday.
Regards
Regards
#29 Posted by dawa-i-dil on August 17, 2007 6:22:28 am
Re: # 18
thanks...
but i have pasted your whole 3 threads of unplugged there....
hehehehe....
thanks...
but i have pasted your whole 3 threads of unplugged there....
hehehehe....
#30 Posted by zeemax on August 17, 2007 6:24:11 am
Looks like the thieves are sharing stolen passwords of Pakistani magazines around.
#31 Posted by zeemax on August 17, 2007 6:25:11 am
#29 Posted by dawa-i-dil,
LoL ... but please add my credits ... 'Courtesy Zeemax' !!!
LoL ... but please add my credits ... 'Courtesy Zeemax' !!!
#32 Posted by zeemax on August 17, 2007 6:31:57 am
Haha Dawai-Dil ... you're the limit ... You labelled the links:
"nude pics ..plz...girls are not allowed ...."
LoL
"nude pics ..plz...girls are not allowed ...."
LoL
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