William Dalrymple August 17, 2007
#1 Posted by dawa-i-dil on August 17, 2007 12:46:24 am
God bless Pakistan....
i am proud of Pakistan .....
the author is righty saying....
poverty level of pakistan is much less than Indian...
our middle class houses are far better than india...
go and visit the DHA..cavalary....cantt...jauhar town etc....
you will seem to know...
you have come into somemodern residing area of USA etc....
though..the looting of Millitary Feudal..lords are so much...
still we are far far better than india...
we dont urinate on Railway Lines..as Indians do...
Thanks God....
we have very good ecomic condiotion than average indian man....
we are atomic power...
we are missile power....
we bulid tanks...
we build planes...
we build sub marines...
we have everything....
god Bless jinnah...
he saved us...
and now we are 1st class citizen of pakistan
having full self respect ...and Izzate Nafs here...
we are not slaves of anyone....
we have everything....by gracce of God....
If we are less than tens...
we are better than tousands....
i wonder....
if 1947 seperation have not done...
then we have to face the same 3rd class citizenship behavioure as 200 millions muslims are experiencing...
thanks God agin to jinnah....
he saved 30 crore people from slavery....
he was no doubt a iron man...
who was unaware of the word defeat...
Thanks God..he saved from poverty..which indians are facing today....
i am proud of Pakistan .....
the author is righty saying....
poverty level of pakistan is much less than Indian...
our middle class houses are far better than india...
go and visit the DHA..cavalary....cantt...jauhar town etc....
you will seem to know...
you have come into somemodern residing area of USA etc....
though..the looting of Millitary Feudal..lords are so much...
still we are far far better than india...
we dont urinate on Railway Lines..as Indians do...
Thanks God....
we have very good ecomic condiotion than average indian man....
we are atomic power...
we are missile power....
we bulid tanks...
we build planes...
we build sub marines...
we have everything....
god Bless jinnah...
he saved us...
and now we are 1st class citizen of pakistan
having full self respect ...and Izzate Nafs here...
we are not slaves of anyone....
we have everything....by gracce of God....
If we are less than tens...
we are better than tousands....
i wonder....
if 1947 seperation have not done...
then we have to face the same 3rd class citizenship behavioure as 200 millions muslims are experiencing...
thanks God agin to jinnah....
he saved 30 crore people from slavery....
he was no doubt a iron man...
who was unaware of the word defeat...
Thanks God..he saved from poverty..which indians are facing today....
#2 Posted by nb on August 17, 2007 2:20:10 am
This article is unusually well written for chowk, I demand it be taken off the fp.
#3 Posted by Folio on August 17, 2007 2:35:20 am
NB, This was not written 4 Chowk but written 4 Guardian newspaper.
I admire Bill and his work on Indian issues (Pak included). I dont consider him as gora anymore.
I admire Bill and his work on Indian issues (Pak included). I dont consider him as gora anymore.
#4 Posted by nb on August 17, 2007 2:54:09 am
I know it was not written for chowk, but it still too good for chowk. What next, Salman or Amitav Ghosh to write for chowk?
#6 Posted by harish_hyd on August 17, 2007 2:58:23 am
#4 by nb
I know it was not written for chowk, but it still too good for chowk. What next, Salman or Amitav Ghosh to write for chowk?
Well at Chowk, it's either too good or too bad. One look at the other piece "Rise of Hindu Right Wing Ideology" and I'm reminded of articles Pakistan's Urdu press (I can't read Urdu, but used to read nuggets of their columns translated into English in the Friday Times).
I know it was not written for chowk, but it still too good for chowk. What next, Salman or Amitav Ghosh to write for chowk?
Well at Chowk, it's either too good or too bad. One look at the other piece "Rise of Hindu Right Wing Ideology" and I'm reminded of articles Pakistan's Urdu press (I can't read Urdu, but used to read nuggets of their columns translated into English in the Friday Times).
#7 Posted by Folio on August 17, 2007 3:07:19 am
Harish, Chowk cant be neutral to Indians and Pakistanis.....this site is essentially for Pakistanis.
Pl look at the coverage of news (from Main page of Chowk):
News from Elsewhere
* Jinnah's Gujurati Interview reveals his attributes, Daily India
* Islamic Perspective of Pakistan Ambassadors of Islam/Pak Observer
* Pakistani Christian leader vows to fight for minority rights till the last drop of his blood.
& Look at the topics they publish! They NEVER publish articles that deal with Indian subjects and issues.
Pl look at the coverage of news (from Main page of Chowk):
News from Elsewhere
* Jinnah's Gujurati Interview reveals his attributes, Daily India
* Islamic Perspective of Pakistan Ambassadors of Islam/Pak Observer
* Pakistani Christian leader vows to fight for minority rights till the last drop of his blood.
& Look at the topics they publish! They NEVER publish articles that deal with Indian subjects and issues.
#8 Posted by Folio on August 17, 2007 3:10:29 am
Add on:
Why cant these Chowk jerks publish the articles that appeared along with Bill's in Guardian? Coz they're written on India!
Since this one is written on Pakistan, these Chowk jerks published it readily.
Why cant these Chowk jerks publish the articles that appeared along with Bill's in Guardian? Coz they're written on India!
Since this one is written on Pakistan, these Chowk jerks published it readily.
#9 Posted by majumdar on August 17, 2007 3:14:55 am
Harishbhai,
I used to love the Nuggets in the Friday Times sadly it is not free to air anymore. They were absolutely hilarious- Maulanas predicting Islam takeover of the world, Reema and Meera getting guttam guthha, tales of bhoots and jinns pursuing men and women they fancied.
Regards
I used to love the Nuggets in the Friday Times sadly it is not free to air anymore. They were absolutely hilarious- Maulanas predicting Islam takeover of the world, Reema and Meera getting guttam guthha, tales of bhoots and jinns pursuing men and women they fancied.
Regards
#10 Posted by harish_hyd on August 17, 2007 3:16:42 am
#9 by majumdar
Majumdar bhai, not just the Nuggets, the whole magazine rocked. Unfortunately, you need to subscribe to it now :-(
Majumdar bhai, not just the Nuggets, the whole magazine rocked. Unfortunately, you need to subscribe to it now :-(
#12 Posted by dawa-i-dil on August 17, 2007 3:20:55 am
why you Folio are so jealous about article of pakistan
#13 Posted by harish_hyd on August 17, 2007 3:31:04 am
#7 by Folio
Pl look at the coverage of news (from Main page of Chowk):
Yaar, I just looked at it and found that even you can add a news item. So essentially it means Chowk staff have nothing to do with it. It is users like you and me who add those items, and I have a feeling that the ones about Jinnah and Paki Christians must have surely been added by Yasser mian.
Pl look at the coverage of news (from Main page of Chowk):
Yaar, I just looked at it and found that even you can add a news item. So essentially it means Chowk staff have nothing to do with it. It is users like you and me who add those items, and I have a feeling that the ones about Jinnah and Paki Christians must have surely been added by Yasser mian.
#14 Posted by TOLKININ on August 17, 2007 4:21:47 am
This is in vast contrast to what biased account noble prized Naipaul has written in 'Among Believers' and given prize just after 9/11
#15 Posted by Folio on August 17, 2007 4:41:25 am
Harish,
I concede the point abt some readers adding news topics BUT the nature of articles published are one-sided. Cant deny that.
NB,
He said some +ve points abt Pakistan which is OK when the wole world is cusring them.
Excpet Mr. Dalrymple's date of Pakistan's "Independence", I dont have any issues with this article.
I concede the point abt some readers adding news topics BUT the nature of articles published are one-sided. Cant deny that.
NB,
He said some +ve points abt Pakistan which is OK when the wole world is cusring them.
Excpet Mr. Dalrymple's date of Pakistan's "Independence", I dont have any issues with this article.
#16 Posted by zeemax on August 17, 2007 4:48:47 am
Jugnu Mohsin, the publisher of the Lahore-based Friday Times, put it recently, "After a period of relative quiet, for the first time in a decade, we are back to the old question: it is not just whether Pakistan, but will Pakistan survive?"
Jugnu Mohsin should be asked the following in response:
1) If Pakistan doesn't survive, will it disappear in thin air? Or will there be something else in it's place? India? China? Afghanistan? Iran? Or what?
2) If Pakistan does survive, will the people like Jugnu Mohsin who have permanent residences in New York but run Pakistan, survive?
Jugnu Mohsin should be asked the following in response:
1) If Pakistan doesn't survive, will it disappear in thin air? Or will there be something else in it's place? India? China? Afghanistan? Iran? Or what?
2) If Pakistan does survive, will the people like Jugnu Mohsin who have permanent residences in New York but run Pakistan, survive?
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